2010 Daytona Truck 250 and 500

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Since: Feb 09

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#1 Feb 6, 2010
Time to start a weekly race discussion!

Since: Feb 09

United States

#2 Feb 6, 2010
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I got this from Elliottsadler.com :

Elliott's 2010 Daytona Schedule

Friday Feb 5th
2:10 PM 3:30 PM NSCS PRACTICE
4:00 PM 5:30 PM NSCS PRACTICE

Sat Feb 6th
1:05 PM NSCS QUALIFYING (TWO LAPS, TWO POSITIONS)

Wed Feb 10th
12:00 PM 1:30 PM NSCS PRACTICE
2:00 PM 2:50 PM NSCS PRACTICE (FINAL PRACTICE BEFORE GATORADE 150íS)
6:00 PM 7:30 PM NCWTS PRACTICE

Since: Feb 09

United States

#3 Feb 6, 2010
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Thursday Feb 11th
9:30 AM 11:30 AM NCWTS FINAL PRACTICE
1:40 PM NSCS DRIVERS INTRODUCTIONS
2:00 PM NSCS GATORADE 150 MILE QUALIFYING RACES (60 LAPS-150 MILES, EACH RACE)
6:10 PM NCWTS QUALIFYING (TWO LAPS, ALL POSITIONS)

Friday Feb 12th
1:40 PM 2:40 PM NSCS PRACTICE
7:30 PM NCWTS DRIVER INTRODUCTIONS
8:00 PM NCWTS RACE (100 LAPS, 250 MILES) SpeedTV

Saturday Feb 13th
10:30 AM 11:55 AM NSCS FINAL PRACTICE FOR THE DAYTONA 500

Sunday Feb 14th
12:15 PM NSCS DRIVER INTRODUCTIONS
1:00 PM NSCS DAYTONA 500 (200 LAPS, 500 MILES)

Since: Feb 09

United States

#4 Feb 6, 2010
2 points.

1- I believe that some of us are being a bit over-sensitive to how he ran in just 2 laps in a rain shortened practice the first time he had this Brand New Car on the track? Being a fan for many years, I know that you can build 2 cars exact alike and both will drive differently! So you don't know how a car will drive or run until you have it on the very track you are racing it on! Testing could have helped, but since there isn't any that all they have to go on? His team did not get any chance to try some changes and improve on that since the second Practice was canceled! Today should tell if he has something for them or has some work to do?

2- Unlike last year, ES and his teammates don't have to hold back going for the win or the best position just to make sure AJ makes the field! So ES could show something this coming Thursday no matter where he ends up after Qualifying today?

Since: Feb 09

United States

#5 Feb 6, 2010
Since ES always does well in the Daytona 500, I wanted to say that the 3 races after the 500, Fontana, Las Vegas and Atlanta, will be the real early season test as to whether the 19 team has made improvement in giving him the cars that he needs to be competitive again? Then we will the answer to the question many have had here as to whether he can still drive like he did in 2004 and 2005?
Once

United States

#6 Feb 6, 2010
esadlern1fan wrote:
Since ES always does well in the Daytona 500, I wanted to say that the 3 races after the 500, Fontana, Las Vegas and Atlanta, will be the real early season test as to whether the 19 team has made improvement in giving him the cars that he needs to be competitive again? Then we will the answer to the question many have had here as to whether he can still drive like he did in 2004 and 2005?
Once again, Sadler is only as good as his equipment? Thats the difference between a good driver and just a field filler. Lets take the Shrub for instance, has taken junk teams in the lesser series and drove them to the front. And when another driver drives those same trucks, they are a non factor. When Sadler lleft Yates in 2006, the equipment was to blame according to him, but was it really that bad? Nope

The simple truth is that Sadler is going to have to show that he can complete the deal in the first ten race and score a handful of top tens and a couple of top 5s or he may not see the All-Star race in the number 19 car. We will see.
Bud9

AOL

#7 Feb 6, 2010
esadlern1fan wrote:
2 points.
1- I believe that some of us are being a bit over-sensitive to how he ran in just 2 laps in a rain shortened practice the first time he had this Brand New Car on the track? Being a fan for many years, I know that you can build 2 cars exact alike and both will drive differently! So you don't know how a car will drive or run until you have it on the very track you are racing it on! Testing could have helped, but since there isn't any that all they have to go on? His team did not get any chance to try some changes and improve on that since the second Practice was canceled! Today should tell if he has something for them or has some work to do?
2- Unlike last year, ES and his teammates don't have to hold back going for the win or the best position just to make sure AJ makes the field! So ES could show something this coming Thursday no matter where he ends up after Qualifying today?
You really have no clue. All cars running by themselves as they were doing in yesterday's practice pretty much shows what you brought and there are little changes that are gonig to help or hurt the car. Qualifying runs have nothing to do with how a car will react in the draft and in a crowd. And whats with the punctuation problems with the question mark all the time?
Bud9

AOL

#8 Feb 6, 2010
Once wrote:
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The simple truth is that Sadler is going to have to show that he can complete the deal in the first ten race and score a handful of top tens and a couple of top 5s or he may not see the All-Star race in the number 19 car. We will see.
THIS!

Since: Feb 09

Holly Springs, NC

#9 Feb 16, 2010
I listened to ES during the race, but even though they could not get the car adjusted all the way to his liking, he was still able to drive it to the front and stay in contact with or race with the leaders! It was the long pothole delays and the unexpected big transition from a hot slick track to a cool grippy track that did in the teams efforts! Some cars were not good enough to stay up front during the day, but their cars got better as it unexpectedly cooled down and most who had good set-ups for the daytime track conditions faded! I call that more of a result of luck in many cases? Jamie McMurray said himself in some interviews Monday that he did not have a winning car during the day, but as soon as it got dark and the track cooled down his car got better and better! I am sure all the teams that had top 5 or 10 finishs planed on the race taking over 6 hours instead of the usual 3-4 hours.

Since: Feb 09

Holly Springs, NC

#10 Feb 16, 2010
So it was not the usal good finish in the 500 that Es is known for. Hopefully the 19 team can rebound and ES can post a good finish in California?
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#11 Feb 16, 2010
esadlern1fan wrote:
I listened to ES during the race, but even though they could not get the car adjusted all the way to his liking, he was still able to drive it to the front and stay in contact with or race with the leaders! It was the long pothole delays and the unexpected big transition from a hot slick track to a cool grippy track that did in the teams efforts! Some cars were not good enough to stay up front during the day, but their cars got better as it unexpectedly cooled down and most who had good set-ups for the daytime track conditions faded! I call that more of a result of luck in many cases? Jamie McMurray said himself in some interviews Monday that he did not have a winning car during the day, but as soon as it got dark and the track cooled down his car got better and better! I am sure all the teams that had top 5 or 10 finishs planed on the race taking over 6 hours instead of the usual 3-4 hours.
Its a plate track, where there are 35+ cars that 'can stay with the leaders'. As seen by the record amount of lead changes. And if you were listening, it was Sadler's call for right sides only that really did them in. He could not keep pace up front and when the 29 was bump drafting him, Sadler could not hold his line and was shuffled to the back. Sadler tried to make the same mistake in the truck race before was over ruled by the KHI crew chief. Sadler should have taken some lessons from that. Sadler was running the newest and most powerful Ford Motor (so much for the not getting equal equipment excuse) As for the dark, and cooler temps? They practiced in those temps in almost every practice before the 500, they should have been more prepared.

Bottom line once again, is that Sadler cannot be competitive in a loose car while much of the Cup field can.

Enough of this plate stuff where it is a NA$CAR design to have all the cars as equal as possible. Its off to a couple of tracks where the driver and his ability comes into play. A place where wheelmen can shine.
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#12 Feb 17, 2010
Just to further dispel the 'equal equipment' rumor. Sadler, along with Kahne and Menard while be running brand new never raced chassis while A.J. will be running a chassis from last season last run at Charlotte. Also, Sadler is the only RPM driver running the new more powerful Ford FR9 engine.

Since: Feb 09

Holly Springs, NC

#13 Feb 18, 2010
I heard ES Tuesday on his weekly Interview on Sirius Nascar Radio and he told Dave Moody that his car was one of the most consistent through the first 2/3s of the race and then after the car had hit the pot hole a couple of time the handling went away and it all of a sudden started bottoming out on the front right part of the splitter. They could not figure out what was wrong and nothing they did fixed it. After they took the car back to the shop they found out that the Bump-stop on that side broke and had the car dragging! He said he could not be sure if the Pot-hole caused it or whether something else did it? So anything they either did or did not do not the changing track conditions had anything to go with where they finished!

I agree, Its on to some tracks that will give us a better gauge on how they might do this season. All I know is they have built new cars for the next to track and hopefully we will see some improvement over how he has run there in the last 3 years?
Moosie

AOL

#14 Feb 18, 2010
Elliott was complaining about the splitter dragging all thru the race. I am not buying into pothole gate.

Things went down hill after the two tire stop. Even DW took notice of that.
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#15 Feb 18, 2010
Moosie wrote:
Elliott was complaining about the splitter dragging all thru the race.
That is correct and Sadler mentioned the splitter dragging even when he was leading and running up front. He even went further to start later on in the race that he wanted to go back on some air pressure changes (actually going back down on the PSI) because the car ran better, and the didnt change the dragging. He asid that dragging the splitter is a result of the bumps on the track and wanted to nose to be as low as it could.

Funny that he didnt complain about the splitter dragging more in the latter stages of the race because if it truly was dragging more, he would have mentioned it.(we all know that)

Chalk it up to 'excuse number one' of the season in order to forget about the real cause which was pit strategy that bite them is the butt.

Sadler has relied too much on the two tire stop over the years as a way to run near the front, only to fall back because the car/driver can't maintain those spots gained. I found it really interesting that in the truck race, during the first caution after 10 or so green flag laps, that Sadler wanted just two tires, and the KHI CC quickly shot that down. And remember, this is in a race where tires are limited too. The KHI CC knew that this strategy was not smart, Sadler should have learned from this on Sunday, but he didn't.
Once

United States

#16 Feb 19, 2010
esadlern1fan wrote:
I agree, Its on to some tracks that will give us a better gauge on how they might do this season. All I know is they have built new cars for the next to track and hopefully we will see some improvement over how he has run there in the last 3 years?
They built new cars for these tracks last season as well, and you used the unequal equipment crappolla.
Not a good qualifying effort today either, but it really is the status quo. That new more powerful ford motor didn't help either.
The good thing is the CALY is a track where qualifying position is not a huge thing. We will know more on Sunday won't we?
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#17 Feb 23, 2010
Once wrote:
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We will know more on Sunday won't we?
This whole situation reminds me of Dale Jarrett's last few years with Yates. EVERY item of the race team was changed more than once, but the driver. Holding on to a stroking driver too long will kill a race and was one of the reason for the demise of RYR. Petty has hung on too long with Elliott as well.
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#18 Feb 24, 2010
Equal equipment update for Vegas:

Kahne and Sadler will be running brand new, never race chassis this week. While A.J. and Menard will be racing 2009 Chassis.

This marks all three races that Sadler has been getting equal or better equipment (win running the R7 motor) as Kahne. All four RPM drivers will be running the R6 motor this week.
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#19 Mar 3, 2010
Equal equipment update for ATL

Kahne and Sadler will be running brand new, never race chassis once again this week. While A.J. and Menard will be racing 2009 Chassis.

All 4 are running the older R6 motor.
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#20 Mar 17, 2010
Equal equipment update for Bristol

Kahne and Sadler will be running brand new, never race chassis once again this week.(in fact, never tested) While A.J. and Menard will be racing 2009 Chassis. All 4 are running the older R6 motor.

All races this season the 9 and 19 have run 2010 chassis while the 98 and 43 are running '09 chassis. This is similar to the past two seasons where the 'equal equipment' excuse has taken a hit. The 9 and 19 are getting the same stuff.

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