When will RPM run the new R6P8 engine?

When will RPM run the new R6P8 engine?

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Since: Feb 09

United States

#1 Feb 20, 2009
After reading the following info:

From http://speedweekly.net

Dodge will also be continuing a schedule of implementation this year for its next-generation R6P8 engine, which debuted in Kansas late last season. The engine performed well in testing and is expected to be fully phased in by 2010

and from www.race2win.net Auto Club 500 - Dodge Motorsports Notes and Quotes:

Penske Racing is expected to run the R6P8 this weekend.

I was then wondering when ES and the rest of RPM might begin running these engines as well? So I posed this question to the host of The Morning Drive on Sirius Nascar Radio and this is what David Poole from that show, the Charlotte Observer and Thatsracin.com wrote me back:

Penske is using it everywhere but the plate races this year. RPM told me they
were looking at the middle of the year to phase it in.
David Poole
jrp

Reston, VA

#2 Feb 24, 2009
Sweet. I was curious about this also. I heard them mention it during the latter part of the race this weekend.

Since: Feb 09

United States

#3 Feb 26, 2009
Whether they start running the new engines or not, I am beginning to think that getting these cars to handle better should be their main focus right now? It all comes down to the fact that if you are not able to get back into the throttle as early as your competition it doesn’t matter how strong your engine is…you will still be loosing ground and then the race!

Since: Feb 09

United States

#4 Mar 5, 2009
I found this on Jayski.com :

Why no new Dodge engine for RPM teams:

Each of the Richard Petty Motorsports [#9-Kahne,#19-Sadler,#43-Soren son,#44-Allmendinger] drivers will race the R5 Dodge engine for the foreseeable future say team officials. Mark McArdle, vice president and director of competition for RPM about the use of the current engine:“We are using the R5P7 right now while the R6P8 engine is still in development with us. We look at it as a risk/reward issue and right now, we think it is a little bit risky considering the situation we are in with our teams. We like what we have right now. We are making decent performance numbers with the new engine and trying to develop a level of reliability in to it that we have in the R5. It’s our position that in the first third of this racing season we can’t afford the risk of giving away any points so we are going to be very conservative in what we do. We are keeping our options open with regard to our utilization of the R6P8. When we deem it wise to race it, we will. It’s likely you will see us compete with it at some point this season, but to what level of commitment we haven’t decided.” The #44 Dodge of A.J. Allmendinger will carry the Charter Communications paint scheme this weekend.(RPM PR), Penske Racing continues to integrate the new Dodge R6P8 Cup engine at non-restrictor plate tracks including this weekend's Kobalt Tools 500.(3-4-2009)
Carole3441

Ionia, MI

#5 Mar 5, 2009
Interesting!!! Would like to know just what he means when he says "we think it is a little bit risky considering the situation we are in with our teams." He also said they were pleased with what we have right now. Seems to me the last two races turned out poorly for RPM. Oh well, maybe better this weekend at Atlanta. Let's hope.
TaMyJaxFL

Blackshear, GA

#6 Mar 5, 2009
Maybe he's refering to MONEY. They're letting the other Dodge teams test the motor to see if it will hold up, etc, using up the big $$$ for testing. Then, when they know for sure that the motors are worth the investment, they will buy in too.
Or maybe they just have a large stock pile of these motors...BUT...as bad as RPM is running NOW, I think I'd take the gamble.

Since: Feb 09

United States

#7 Mar 6, 2009
TaMyJaxFL wrote:
Maybe he's refering to MONEY. They're letting the other Dodge teams test the motor to see if it will hold up, etc, using up the big $$$ for testing. Then, when they know for sure that the motors are worth the investment, they will buy in too.
Or maybe they just have a large stock pile of these motors...BUT...as bad as RPM is running NOW, I think I'd take the gamble.
It could be the money and the fact that they still don't know how durable the new engines are and they can't afford to have engine failures put their teams in the position of having to qualify on time instead of being locked into the field? I do know that they have well over 100 of the current R5P7 engines and given the fact the ES's engines have held up to some overheating issues the so far this season they must feel that staying with them for now is the best decision?

You know...ES said something the other day when asked about when they might use the new engine and I have to agree with him...

He said that you could strap a jet engine on their cars and it would not help them a bit if they can't get the cars to turn in the corners! Once they get the cars handling better then the speed will come. If you watch closely, when ES was racing with the leaders to get his lap back or stay on the lead lap, he is not loosing ground on them in the straightaways? He is loosing it when they come to the corners and he has to brake harder that they do and/or he can't get back into the gas as early as they do. That is a handling issue..not a engine performance issue!

Hopefully they can get the car handling better this weekend and he can be more competitive than he has been the last 2 weeks?
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#8 Mar 6, 2009
You like the red or purple better?
questions

Brentwood, CA

#9 Mar 10, 2009
jrp

Farmville, VA

#10 May 12, 2009
I agree. Handling is probably the most important thing for them at this point. Was nice to see kasey lead a few laps and elliot get a top 15 this weekend. I was really hoping the merger would bring together a plethora of dodge knowledge and really get them up there but I guess it just depends on how much R&D they could/have been able to afford(which obviously isn't as much as hendrick or rousch)

Since: May 07

Pocahontas, IA

#11 May 13, 2009
Did anyone hear the rumor that RPM was thinking of changing to Toyota? Can't remember where I heard it - if anyone knows - please inform. Thanks!

Since: Feb 09

United States

#12 May 14, 2009
I heard Dave Moody on Sirius Speedway make an interesting comparison: He said that All the cars are to weigh 3500 LBS and at RPM they have something like 50-100 pounds of Lead in the cars while at Hendrick their cars have over 300 pounds. If you lighten the Body of your car then the Lead you can add can be put anywhere you need it to help shift the center of gravity lower and to the side of the cars that would help it turn better at a certain track. That is what RPM needs to do..find areas were they can lighten the car so they can add more lead where it can improve handling! Add the new engine and you might just have a winning car?
From Dodge post race Quotes:
ELLIOTT SADLER (No. 19 Stanley Tools Dodge Charger) Finished 14th
"I'm real proud of my guys on this Stanley Tools Dodge Charger tonight. The last time that we ran this car, we didn't run real well with it. They took it back to the shop and figured out how to put some more weight in it...maybe 40 or 50 pounds more weight in it than we've run all year... it made a hell of a difference. We could adjust on it all night and make it better throughout the race. We're still missing a few things. We had great pit stops all night. Baby steps, yes, but we're going to make it."
I say that they are looking to get their cars better before spending the money to put the new engine in all their cars?
As far as RPM going to Toyota...the rumor was that they seriously thought about it, but the economy made it hard for Toyota to accommodate anymore new Race teams! So they figure they might as well stay with Dodge and use the old engines till they ran out of them?
jrp

Farmville, VA

#13 May 18, 2009
Even if they did switch to a different manufacturer I doubt they would dare change it mid-season. Way too much unknown and no testing. They'll definitely stick with Dodge at least for the remainder of the the year I'd say unless the chrysler's bankruptcy takes another nasty turn which I wouldn't be surprised at either.
Edwin Perkins

Ennis, TX

#14 May 18, 2009
Still making excuses? Stick to little league baseball! The answer is simple as to why RPM is not using the new engine yet this season and that has to do with who is driving the 19. The problem lies with employing enough engineers and having to add a 4th team in order to keep the next franchise driver in the stable. The engineers and motormen who would have been used to develop the new engine have now been used on the 44. RPM doesn't want SADler behind the wheel because he has shown that he does not have the ability to drive consistently at the Cup level. SADler will be gone before deer season hits in Va if RPM has their way and rightfully so.

Its too bad too because Kasey is the real one being punished because of all of this.
William K

Charlotte, NC

#15 May 18, 2009
Edwin Perkins wrote:
Still making excuses? Stick to little league baseball! The answer is simple as to why RPM is not using the new engine yet this season and that has to do with who is driving the 19.
Who in their right mind would think a team wouldn't purchase a piece of equipment because they don't want a driver. It's basic economics, unless people think those new engines are free and come with free R&D.
jrp

Farmville, VA

#16 May 27, 2009
Per this article @nascar.com. Kahne will be running the new engine this weekend at Dover. I wonder if that goes for all the RPM drivers?

http://www.nascar.com/2009/news/features/05/2...
jrp

Farmville, VA

#17 May 27, 2009
After some more searching, looks like only Kahne :(
jmo

Freedom, PA

#18 May 27, 2009
he's the one testing it out for them. much like kurt b did for all of penske drivers..since its new and so much else goes into it and the car and driveability..once he dials it in...then sees how it runs,my guess is rest of petty guys will have it...

Since: Feb 09

United States

#19 Jun 2, 2009
jmo wrote:
he's the one testing it out for them. much like kurt b did for all of penske drivers..since its new and so much else goes into it and the car and driveability..once he dials it in...then sees how it runs,my guess is rest of petty guys will have it...
Lets hope ES can hang in that long? From the way I have heard and read how discussed ES has been getting over the lack of progress RPM has shown in getting the cars handling better...he may be looking to go somewhere else before they get the new engine into the 19?
jrp

Farmville, VA

#20 Jun 2, 2009
Quote from nascar.com "One of RPM's drivers, Kasey Kahne, used the new Dodge R6 engine at Dover, qualified a season-best second and finished sixth. Petty expects to phase in the new engine with his other drivers -- A.J. Allmendinger, Reed Sorenson and Elliott Sadler -- based on an evaluation of its performance with Kahne in the next several weeks. "

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