NASCAR hopes to avoid another Talladega mess

Nov 3, 2009 Full story: Bradenton Herald 14

Michael Waltrip pulled up to the back of Jimmie Johnson's car, settled in on his bumper and shoved him all the way around Talladega Superspeedway as the two drivers worked on a strategy for NASCAR's fastest race track.

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pcol53

Dayton, OH

#1 Nov 3, 2009
I finally figured out way i don't like jimmy johnson it's because him and Chad don't treat racing as a sport they treat it as a game. It's too new school not old school best driver should win championship not someone who sits back in the pack so he does't lose points.
acrim

Manhattan Beach, CA

#2 Nov 3, 2009
NASCAR hopes to avoid another Talladega mess??

NA$CRAP CAUSED the Talladega mess!

The inbred hicks at NA$CRAP strike again!

Well, at least that talentless dunce Michael (POS) Waltrip was drunk driving again...at least some things never change.

“IN GOD WE TRUST”

Since: Jun 07

Raleigh

#3 Nov 3, 2009
Winning the championship is the point. You don't win it by going out and trying to lead every lap. You just tear your equipment up and burn your crew out. Plate races are just too much of a turkey shoot to throw away all the hard work the 48 team has already put in. Watch old Jimmie dig in every body's butt in the next three trying to win the races and the championship.

Since: Jul 09

Alamo, CA

#4 Nov 3, 2009
A good point..why have a Championship and the year long collection of points towards it anyway.

Run it like Golf or Tennis - Every race/tournament stands on it's own with appropiate prize money - at the end of the year, the guy with the most prize money is the best driver..period!

Tiger Woods makes that system work just fine
MISSU3

United States

#5 Nov 3, 2009
acrim wrote:
NASCAR hopes to avoid another Talladega mess??
NA$CRAP CAUSED the Talladega mess!
The inbred hicks at NA$CRAP strike again!
Well, at least that talentless dunce Michael (POS) Waltrip was drunk driving again...at least some things never change.
Sorry, Michael was not driving drunk. I'm sure YOU would not think you were driving drunk if you blew .06 when .08 is legally drunk. He turned in front of a motorcyle. Plenty of totally sober people have done the same thing. You just don't see motorcycles. People CAN have a couple of drinks and not be driving drunk, ya know. Too bad it wasn't JR. The excuses would still be flying.
MISSU3

United States

#6 Nov 3, 2009
Hendricks isn't the first ones to lag at the back thru this race. Dale Jarrett was known for doing it, among others. Sure doesn't make for a race. Might as well just make the races 20 laps long if they're not going to race every lap.

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#7 Nov 3, 2009
MISSU3 wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, Michael was not driving drunk. I'm sure YOU would not think you were driving drunk if you blew .06 when .08 is legally drunk. He turned in front of a motorcyle. Plenty of totally sober people have done the same thing. You just don't see motorcycles. People CAN have a couple of drinks and not be driving drunk, ya know. Too bad it wasn't JR. The excuses would still be flying.
Once again, Why drag Jr into a thread that isn't even about him? You have a hard on for him?
Kyle

Statesboro, GA

#8 Nov 3, 2009
I honestly think that barring complete removal of the plates, Nascar should let these guys race. In my 10 plus years of watching Nascar I've never seen such a boring race in my life or at least 183 laps of boredom. Honestly the highlight of the first 183 was Kurt Busch sliding through the infield grass and driving away. As a result of the new rules put in place drivers were relegated to just riding around until the last few laps when they said the hell with it. Another writer on a credible website stated that Nascar sprung this on everyone so that the media would not criticize the decisions made by the sport. In my opinion the guys upstairs in the booth for ESPN were absolutely in the right calling the race terrible and I completely agree. From my view 40 rows above the start/finish line I witnessed the same race Nascar did and do not see how they came to the opinion that the race was a normal Talladega Race.
Curious

Bowling Green, KY

#9 Nov 3, 2009
It makes you wonder if the drivers were offended by being told how to drive a racecar. Single file racing at Talladega is not 'normal' at all.
joe

Camarillo, CA

#10 Nov 3, 2009
Curious wrote:
It makes you wonder if the drivers were offended by being told how to drive a racecar. Single file racing at Talladega is not 'normal' at all.


I agree. I'm all for safety but we are on a slippery slope to putting these cars on rails and who every builds the best engine wins.
From taking away the accountability of auto makers to build a car that can compete aerodynamically.(meaning every one gets the same car body just different badges).To testing the new 17" wheel package. Pretty soon my 12 year old will be able to race these cars.
I want to watch race car drivers race. They get paid plenty of money to do it. Allot of people get paid way way less for allot more dangerous jobs.

“How We Roll”

Since: Nov 08

Area 51, Nevada

#11 Nov 4, 2009
Curious wrote:
It makes you wonder if the drivers were offended by being told how to drive a racecar. Single file racing at Talladega is not 'normal' at all.
I'm not going to argue that single file is normal but here's 1993 race and they're going single file. I've seen it many times, and I know for a fact that at some points in Tally races, they end up single file. I know because Im a big fan of 3-wide and this always made me wish they'd get it stacked up again.
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Sure - its not throughout the whole race but at some point, a smart driver is going to think it's not worth shuffling forward at the risk of being out of the draft going backwards. Unless you have several willing drivers, you all have to agree to be in line logging laps and saving your fenders. This time was just way more evident because a rule was mentioned but that rule did not prevent 3 wide racing, the drivers did. Being told not to push through corners has little to do with lining up single file, so can we really blame NASCAR for them choosing to get in line?

SOME blame can go on NASCAR, but much more of it should be directed at the drivers. It's a simple no-push in corner rule that they can easily adapt to. As for the wrecks, there'll always be the 'big' one so long as fans get their 3-wide racing as they want it. Not pushing in corners has probably reduced the probability greatly, and prevented more wrecks from occurring.

And did somebody mention the wrecks that occurred were NOT in corners? Well DUH!! Probably because they were careful not to be up somebody's rear end in the corners! To me, that's evidence which we can almost conclude prevented exactly what they were intended to - wrecks in corners, the most dangerous part of the track! Sure there's going to be wrecks in other places but that is not evidence that there shouldn't be concern about the corners.

My suggestion would be the same as most - let them fly like the wind. Beef up the gates, keep faith that the drivers are safe in the cockpits, and let the fans enjoy whatever the drivers care to risk showing them.
acrim

Manhattan Beach, CA

#12 Nov 4, 2009
MISSU3 wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, Michael was not driving drunk. I'm sure YOU would not think you were driving drunk if you blew .06 when .08 is legally drunk. He turned in front of a motorcyle. Plenty of totally sober people have done the same thing. You just don't see motorcycles. People CAN have a couple of drinks and not be driving drunk, ya know. Too bad it wasn't JR. The excuses would still be flying.
I agree that POS wasn't as drunk as the time he rolled his SUV after winning the "telephone pole" position and stumbled back to his pool room to pass out and sleep it off...but he was drinking and driving when he hit the biker - no question about it unless you're drinking the POS koolaid.
Voice of Reality

Petersburg, VA

#14 Nov 4, 2009
The fact is that this past Sunday you had 180 pace laps and less than 10 actual laps of racing. With the reduced power in the engines there is only two ways you can go and neither is dependent on you or the car, it depends on where you start in the last eight laps. Dale Jarrett said it best all race, at the end you want to be going to the front, not at the front with the others getting in line and drawing a bead on you. The stupidity of the no bump drafting became very obvious when it was time to really go racing in the last 5 to 8 laps. All of the cars were bumper to bumper and if NASCAR called one team for bump drafting through the corner then it was going to have to call most of the teams. What did NASCAR accomplish in their stupid last minute rule? Did they keep cars from going airborn? Did they stop the "Big One"?

NASCAR wake up and learn the basic reason for the wing, it stands to reason that if the wing is adding down force when the car is going forward it must (by basic laws of physics) provide lift when the car is going backward. Dam, Mr. Brian France, every kid who has folded a paper airplane understands this concept, how long will it take you to grasp it?
Kyle

Statesboro, GA

#15 Nov 5, 2009
Nascar honestly needs to let these guys race. The yellow line has worked wonders on keeping the drivers under control to the point that we've had one seriously threatening accident in the last 8 or so years since the whole rule was created. Bump drafting has been and nascar be damned always will be. The COT was designed with bumpers that line up for a reason. It was also designed to create a safer ride for the driver through the crazy wrecks. So far no major injuries. I think that Nascar just needs to take a step back, let the drivers race, and let the fans get what they paid to see, which in sundays case was at least 188 laps of exciting racing with an exciting finish. What the fans ended up getting was 180 laps of 195mph pace laps with two wrecks of some what spectacular fashion and a finish under caution. Nascar says they put the best show on for the fans. Last weekend they put on a great show for those aspiring to replace Brett Bodine behind the wheel of the pace car on a weekly basis. Its time for a change, or in this case a little blast from the past where the drivers could actually drive.

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