Should NASCAR add provisionals to the...

Should NASCAR add provisionals to the new rules?

There are 24 comments on the www.roanoke.com story from Aug 28, 2008, titled Should NASCAR add provisionals to the new rules?. In it, www.roanoke.com reports that:

Three-time winner Tony Stewart won't compete in next year's Budweiser Shootout. Neither will defending Daytona 500 champion Ryan Newman and past winner Mark Martin.

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Data_

Since: Apr 08

Schaumburg, IL

#1 Aug 28, 2008
NASCAR needs to rectify this injustice. Add the past winners provisional and that would make alot of fans happy who are otherwise disgusted with NASCAR and Budweiser for this illogical move.

“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#2 Aug 28, 2008
agreed... and make it the top 4 cars from each manufacturer to ensure no speedbumps!
Dillinger

Miami, FL

#3 Aug 28, 2008
Data_ wrote:
NASCAR needs to rectify this injustice. Add the past winners provisional and that would make alot of fans happy who are otherwise disgusted with NASCAR and Budweiser for this illogical move.
Hon, do you remember if it was the COT #00 that David Reutimann hit the wall so hard with in California or were we still driving the old cars? This was 2 years ago, man, I cannot believe that much time has gone by.
GO FASTER I HEAR BANJOS

Monterey, TN

#4 Aug 28, 2008
Debi Does wrote:
agreed... and make it the top 4 cars from each manufacturer to ensure no speedbumps!
No favorties!
Scaramouche

Schaumburg, IL

#5 Aug 28, 2008
I don't like it.
No, not one bit!

“smoke”

Since: Dec 07

Life is short, be nice!

#6 Aug 28, 2008
Hunter could ruin any thing! I have no idea how Bud came up with these! Perhaps they had a suggestion box and the janitor dropped in ideas!

Why don't you take 2 cars from the manufaturers and let the rest beat and bang their way into the race!
Darcie

Cedarburg, WI

#7 Aug 28, 2008
I posted this on another thread here, but believe it or not, it isn't Nascar's fault.

Coor's is now the Pole Sponsor for this season--you'll notice that the pole winners hold a flag that says "Coors Pole Award". So, there's the problem. Bud still owns the name "Bud Shootout" and they didn't want to have anything to do with Coors, so Daytona was forced to change things.

This does not absolve anyone, but the four engine manufacturers went to the bigwigs at Daytona and said, "we want to have a manufacturers race". So Daytona cowtowed to them, and here we are. We'll have guys like JPM and Michael Waltrip in the race, but not Tony or the defending Daytona 500 champ, Ryan Newman.

Here's how the guys at Toyota, Ford, Dodge and Chevy see it happening. They want all the guys from the Toyota teams to race together against the other three and the other three teams will work together to try and trash the other manufacturers cars. Then, they want a 5 lap dash at the end, with all the drivers going against each other. The winning manufacturer will get the trophy.

So what we have her is not the Bud Shootout, but the Manufacturers Shootout. This is not for the fans, but for bragging rights by the big four. It's all Bull shirt.

The guy from Daytona was asked on Sirius if they would have some kind of provisional for guys like Stewart and he said "heck no". "We have our rules and that's that. Maybe in 2010 we'll think about it, but there will be no Tony Stewart or Ryan Newman in next year's Shootout."

This all sucks, and shame on the car manufacturers, shame on Daytona and shame on Nascar.
Mikey fan

Temperance, MI

#8 Aug 28, 2008
a 'manufacturer's race??..isn't every race a manufacturer's race in a way??

“smokes~ mojo”

Since: Dec 06

kepin' the ears on the big dog

#10 Aug 28, 2008
well I guess I do not need to take time to watch shootout this year ...what a waste glad I didnt buy tickets in advance ...sad sorry state of affairs... What do you think it will take to make a dent big enough to make nascar realize this is a mistake?... when the tickets do not sell?.. when people demand refunds for the tickets they bought when their driver(s) are not the top 5 for their respective manufacturer? or Soething else???
flipper

AOL

#11 Aug 28, 2008
ruttrosmokesmojo wrote:
well I guess I do not need to take time to watch shootout this year ...what a waste glad I didnt buy tickets in advance ...sad sorry state of affairs... What do you think it will take to make a dent big enough to make nascar realize this is a mistake?... when the tickets do not sell?.. when people demand refunds for the tickets they bought when their driver(s) are not the top 5 for their respective manufacturer? or Soething else???
I feel the same way.
CatRod53

Oak Brook, IL

#13 Aug 29, 2008
Thanks Darcie for the explanation - I agree, regardless who's idea it was - it still stinks!

I was at the race last w/e, and sometimes miss interviews - what did Bowyer say? Was it another "even a monkey could drive the Nationwide 20" comment? That's starting to sound like a crybaby to me.
Dillinger

Miami, FL

#16 Aug 29, 2008
BigEforever wrote:
Nascar just keeps on screwing up.
I don't give crap about a manufacturers race. I want to see top racers going at it. If you haven't won a race or have led a minimum of X amount of laps then they should not be in it.
If all they want is to represent Manufacturers, Sponsors, ect then that is why they make signs and billboards. Nascar can plaster them all around the track OR they can let the drivers that can't qualify sell popcorn in the stands while donning their pretty uniforms.
Just my two cents.....But Nascar and these sponsors have gone overboard
You are absolutely right!!!!!
Darcie

Cedarburg, WI

#17 Aug 29, 2008
What Amy suggests is a great idea. Can you see having five lap eliminations at Daytona? None of this "points racing" crap, that they do now for the first 26 races. This would be real, fun racing.

“Smoke Fan Forever!!!”

Since: Sep 07

Look to the Western Sky!!!!

#18 Aug 29, 2008
Darcie wrote:
What Amy suggests is a great idea. Can you see having five lap eliminations at Daytona? None of this "points racing" crap, that they do now for the first 26 races. This would be real, fun racing.
Let's just make it a demolition derby while we're at it. That's how absurd the thing is in the first place.

So what we'll probably see is a couple Toyotas, tons of Chevy's and maybe a Ford or two up front with the Dodges cruising in the back.

As long as their golden boy is in it they don't care.
Mark Martin fan

Schaumburg, IL

#19 Aug 29, 2008
wallbanger wrote:
POS even gets "hammered" by Amy Henderson on Frontstretch.com , concerning how unbalanced this field will be, with great drivers like Smoke and No Neck watching from the sidelines, while "hackers" and no-talents, like POS, get to race!
Don't forget Mark Martin, too!

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!
Its Just Me

West Hartford, CT

#20 Aug 29, 2008
Well if Smoke isnt in it, I wont be watching it.
CatRod53

Oak Brook, IL

#21 Aug 29, 2008
wallbanger wrote:
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CatRod, just in case you missed it, Clint Bowyer, after getting wrecked last Saturday, stated what many of us Banger-Buds have know for years, that POS can't drive.
Here is the replay:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =V8CippcqBpIXX
Thanks for that - I don't remember hearing it before. I heard bits and pieces of Casey's interview just out of the infield care center and I believe he blamed Michael too - but this week I think I remember reading where he questions his HMS spotter. He claims he heard "clear, clear, clear" and he sure didn't hear it from Michael.

“Life is good...”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#22 Aug 29, 2008
CatRod53 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for that - I don't remember hearing it before. I heard bits and pieces of Casey's interview just out of the infield care center and I believe he blamed Michael too - but this week I think I remember reading where he questions his HMS spotter. He claims he heard "clear, clear, clear" and he sure didn't hear it from Michael.
No, I think Casey blamed his spotter. No blame on Michael at all.
CatRod53

Oak Brook, IL

#23 Aug 30, 2008
Thanks - Casey should know exactly what happened - and I'll bet he's counting the days until he's out of HMS.

I haven't read that Clint Bowyer apologized to Michael - he's a decent guy and really should.

“Life is good...”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#24 Aug 30, 2008
CatRod53 wrote:
Thanks - Casey should know exactly what happened - and I'll bet he's counting the days until he's out of HMS.
I haven't read that Clint Bowyer apologized to Michael - he's a decent guy and really should.
Yes, he should. Like I said somewhere on here, I lost some respect for Clint. But more for ESPN for even playing it.

I wonder if Mark Martin will get the same treatment as Shrub last year and Casey this year.

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