NASCAR stuck with embarrassment of glitches

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Jimmie Johnson emerged as the survivor, a description not offered lightly. Sunday's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard was something very different from an auto race.
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Since: Jan 07

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#21
Jul 28, 2008
 
Junior Nation wrote:
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It was a mess and both NASCAR & Goodyear weren't very prepared.
I do have one question and I haven't heard anyone give me an answer for it. What is the purpose of Indy have the diamond cut track? I've never paid much attention to it before since the track has always rubbered in.
The diamond grind was done for the other two races that are/were held there. And sorry, NASCAR fans, the Indianapolis 500 is what made the Speedway, not the Brickyard 400. When the Brickyard hits its 92nd running, then maybe, but not now. The diamond grind works very well for the lighter weight Indycars and F-1 cars.

And, as I pointed out, it has been the same surface since 2005. Goodyear SHOULD have had some insight by now as to the cause and effect of running a higher center of gravity car, or at least should have been doing all the testing they could to determine what tire compound would stand up best on that surface. Goodyear and NASCAR flat dropped the ball on this one and got caught for it.

88fan, don't ask Tony George to fund resurfacing the track just for NASCAR. He's spent more to update that facility than anyone will ever know and he's got a surface that Indy cars can live with and even appeases the F-1 snobs. He has to worry more about the 500 and trying to lure F-1 back at some time.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
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The diamond grind was done for the other two races that are/were held there. And sorry, NASCAR fans, the Indianapolis 500 is what made the Speedway, not the Brickyard 400. When the Brickyard hits its 92nd running, then maybe, but not now. The diamond grind works very well for the lighter weight Indycars and F-1 cars.
And, as I pointed out, it has been the same surface since 2005. Goodyear SHOULD have had some insight by now as to the cause and effect of running a higher center of gravity car, or at least should have been doing all the testing they could to determine what tire compound would stand up best on that surface. Goodyear and NASCAR flat dropped the ball on this one and got caught for it.
88fan, don't ask Tony George to fund resurfacing the track just for NASCAR. He's spent more to update that facility than anyone will ever know and he's got a surface that Indy cars can live with and even appeases the F-1 snobs. He has to worry more about the 500 and trying to lure F-1 back at some time.
I agree with you right up to the point about "just for NASCAR". Personally, I would never have agreed to ever race there for many of the reasons you listed, but since there IS a race there, the track has to be safe for the cars and drivers. Otherwise, ashcan the race. Even under the best circumstances, it's typically a boring race, just like Pocono will be this weekend.

As for Goodyear.... I agree 100%. Shame on them. But the CoT car has much different downforce than the old car did and they will blame that for their failure. Either way, every person who paid for a ticket deserves a refund, credit, or something in the form of compensation for that debacle.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
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I agree with you right up to the point about "just for NASCAR". Personally, I would never have agreed to ever race there for many of the reasons you listed, but since there IS a race there, the track has to be safe for the cars and drivers. Otherwise, ashcan the race. Even under the best circumstances, it's typically a boring race, just like Pocono will be this weekend.
As for Goodyear.... I agree 100%. Shame on them. But the CoT car has much different downforce than the old car did and they will blame that for their failure. Either way, every person who paid for a ticket deserves a refund, credit, or something in the form of compensation for that debacle.
I know I am going to get attacked, but I dont see the reason for everyone to deseve there money back, yeah the race sucked, but hey this is not the first year they have had tire issues here, if they gave them there money back then every race someone will fight wanting there money back complaining that it wasnt a great race, so its like if you do it for one you gotta do it for all.
The fans just need to remember this and maybe not show up next year and then somethings might change
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Jul 28, 2008
 
88Fan wrote:
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Except that Indy cars only weigh about 1615 pounds... a HUGE difference even at increased speeds. And I agree with you that the track isn't totally to blame but shares in the blame. FIX THE TRACK like Darlington, Lowes, Texas, and so on. If you want the rewards of a couple hundred thousand fans, you owe them a race. And Knaus himself mentioned that testing there is pretty worthless since there are no other similar tracks to compare results with. So while I agree to some degree, it's common knowledge that the surface is crap, and has been crap, and always will be crap until it's redone.
Little comparison to a 1600# Indy car running Firestones to a 3500# Cup car on Goodyears.
An IRL car can make over 4000 lbs. of downforce at speed, although at tracks like Indy they trim that down to probably less than 2000. Add 1600 or so, and you're right about at the static weight of the COT.

The difference in tire/car sizes makes the comparison between the two irrelevant, if not for the fact that we can compare performance on the same track under similar circumstances. The fans at least deserve that those close to the issue can find a solution. And FAST.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
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NASCAR better get its act together. People can't afford to go to as many races with high gas prices, tickets, camping etc. They didn't run the August Michigan race til Wednesday last year and most of the fans left by Monday with tickets no race and no refund.
I'm not going to Michigan this year because 20 minutes into the race its like watching cars go by on I-88. Chicagoland isn't much better. The tracks are too long and nobody's racing until the last laps (except of course Bristol). Maybe they should put the drivers into heats and let them race for 25 laps with the winners in a 50 lap final. Sure would make things a hell of a lot more interesting.
It would be more interesting than tire testing.

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I know I am going to get attacked, but I dont see the reason for everyone to deseve there money back, yeah the race sucked, but hey this is not the first year they have had tire issues here, if they gave them there money back then every race someone will fight wanting their money back complaining that it wasn't a great race, so its like if you do it for one you gotta do it for all.
The fans just need to remember this and maybe not show up next year and then somethings might change
Believe it or not, I agree with you. In any race, you pay your money and take your chances.

I was at the 1973 Indy 500 days, 1 and 2. Got a whole lot of drunk, rained on, and from my position on the inside of turn 1 (the infamous Snakepit)about the only racing I saw was a tire roll up near us on the fence, on day 1.

The second day, I had upgraded to Southeast Vista seats, courtesy of some guy who had to leave town. Sat there all day, got terribly inebriated, and never saw a wheel turned in anger. And, again, got totally soaked.

For day 3, I had again upgraded to seats at the top of the lower grandstand going into 1. When the morning of day 3 broke rainy, I never even left home to drive to Indy. And I missed the race.

I sat through two Rick Mears wins that were almost as boring as yesterday.

Point is, sometimes the weather, the race, or some other factor sucks, and that's the gamble of going to any race.

If we start demanding refunds any time we're not totally satisfied, then we'll kill the sport we love.
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Believe it or not, I agree with you. In any race, you pay your money and take your chances.
I was at the 1973 Indy 500 days, 1 and 2. Got a whole lot of drunk, rained on, and from my position on the inside of turn 1 (the infamous Snakepit)about the only racing I saw was a tire roll up near us on the fence, on day 1.
The second day, I had upgraded to Southeast Vista seats, courtesy of some guy who had to leave town. Sat there all day, got terribly inebriated, and never saw a wheel turned in anger. And, again, got totally soaked.
For day 3, I had again upgraded to seats at the top of the lower grandstand going into 1. When the morning of day 3 broke rainy, I never even left home to drive to Indy. And I missed the race.
I sat through two Rick Mears wins that were almost as boring as yesterday.
Point is, sometimes the weather, the race, or some other factor sucks, and that's the gamble of going to any race.
If we start demanding refunds any time we're not totally satisfied, then we'll kill the sport we love.
Thanks, there is a place where I live where they have concerts outside, and it is a no refund thing rain or shine no refunds. So when we by our concert tickets we know if he rains or not we are going to have to go set in the rain or loose out our money,and that they way it goes. I go to the Texas race every year and every year it pours,but hell I went all that way I am going to go set there rain or not LOL
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Jul 28, 2008
 
After sitting at the track yesterday for almost 4 hours....it was a boring race. I was sitting right in front were Harvick and Busch wrecked and we all had large pieces of tires in our laps. I watched the cars going by and you could see the large shreads of the tires coming apart. Nascar knew about this problem on Friday before qualifing and also after the practices on saturday. They chose to do nothing but to drink the Koolaid that Goodyear was serving. The fans were lucky yesterday that not one of the drivers was seriously hurt or even killed. The racing surface hasnt been changed for years and the races never had the problem like they had yesterday. It has to be the new design of the cars and the tire compounds from Goodyear.

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Jul 28, 2008
 
Hoosier Gal wrote:
After sitting at the track yesterday for almost 4 hours....it was a boring race. I was sitting right in front were Harvick and Busch wrecked and we all had large pieces of tires in our laps. I watched the cars going by and you could see the large shreads of the tires coming apart. Nascar knew about this problem on Friday before qualifing and also after the practices on saturday. They chose to do nothing but to drink the Koolaid that Goodyear was serving. The fans were lucky yesterday that not one of the drivers was seriously hurt or even killed. The racing surface hasnt been changed for years and the races never had the problem like they had yesterday. It has to be the new design of the cars and the tire compounds from Goodyear.
It sounds like the fans were lucky also that no one got hurt with all that debris flying around all over the place...
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#30
Jul 28, 2008
 
These were extenuating circumstances. I think it's different than taking your chances that it might rain. But then, that's why I always pass on this race (as was suggested) and have gone to the October Charlotte race for the past 12 years or so. Great weather (never rained out) and only one "track issue" which was quickly taken care of.

Either way, and for whateveer the cause, no one deserved that yesterday.
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Jul 28, 2008
 
That race was embarrassing to watch. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. I still do not understand how they could let that tire situation happen. Last I checked NASCAR is a major sport, stuff like that shouldn't be happening. IMO, they lost alot of creditability with that race. I'm sure they didn't win any new fans with that one.

If I paid money to see that race, I would be pissed. I would demand my money back. That probably sounds extreme, but it's not like the tickets are cheap, espeically these days.

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