NASCAR stuck with embarrassment of gl...

NASCAR stuck with embarrassment of glitches

There are 31 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jul 28, 2008, titled NASCAR stuck with embarrassment of glitches. In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

Jimmie Johnson emerged as the survivor, a description not offered lightly. Sunday's Allstate 400 at the Brickyard was something very different from an auto race.

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Walther

Virginia Beach, VA

#1 Jul 28, 2008
A total fiasco. Was not worth watching and I feel terrible for the fans that paid hundreds and maybe thousands of dollars to be there. That was not a race! That was a joke - a bad joke played on the many Nascar fans in the world. Nascar is starting to lose it. In the interests of making everything a level playing field, they are ruining the sport. I for one am kind of over it and will no longer watch this year, probably for the rest of the year. Too bad. It was a great sport. It's a plain vanilla boring over-engineered thing now.
Whoyakidding

Raleigh, NC

#2 Jul 28, 2008
You know, it's a sad damn day when the drivers get out of the car and apology for the way a race was run. I heard plenty of that yesterday but not one damn apology from NASCAR. I heard a lot of excuses and reasons why they couldn't do this or couldn't do that but no apology for letting the seconc biggest NASCAR event of the year get screwed up beyond belief.
88Fan-

Schaumburg, IL

#3 Jul 28, 2008
A shame no one.... not Mike Helton when interviewed (though it certainly wasn't completely his or NASCAR's fault), not any of the announcers, not the drivers.... NO ONE had the balls to say what the problems really are:

1. A lousy tire from Goodyear
2. A lousy racing surface on an OLD race track
3. A very lousy race car

How I miss the days when drivers raced each other and not the track or the tires. When they competed for the lead on the track instead of in the pits.

Spot-on comments by the first two by the way.
Junior Nation

United States

#4 Jul 28, 2008
88Fan- wrote:
A shame no one.... not Mike Helton when interviewed (though it certainly wasn't completely his or NASCAR's fault), not any of the announcers, not the drivers.... NO ONE had the balls to say what the problems really are:
1. A lousy tire from Goodyear
2. A lousy racing surface on an OLD race track
3. A very lousy race car
How I miss the days when drivers raced each other and not the track or the tires. When they competed for the lead on the track instead of in the pits.
Spot-on comments by the first two by the way.
You noticed that they didn't interview Smoke? At least I haven't seen or heard of any interview.

Since: Jun 08

Oshkosh, WI

#5 Jul 28, 2008
As is becoming standard procedure in NASCAR right now...the best driver didn't win....NASCAR is going down....the rise of open-wheel real racing is coming....NASCAR is doing terribly with PR and fan relations
christy88

San Antonio, TX

#6 Jul 28, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
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You noticed that they didn't interview Smoke? At least I haven't seen or heard of any interview.
No because Smoke would have said I told you guys before bring Hoosier back and let them give us tires.
figuratively speaking

Kansas City, MO

#7 Jul 28, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
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You noticed that they didn't interview Smoke? At least I haven't seen or heard of any interview.
I am sure his interview is 'unprintable'......

“SEMPER FIDELIS”

Since: Jun 08

Sallisaw OK

#8 Jul 28, 2008
figuratively speaking wrote:
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I am sure his interview is 'unprintable'......
I was thinkin the same thing. LOL He was the one that complained the most last time and it's true. I run Hoosier on my truck. I hate Good Year.
Colonel Ingus

Melbourne, FL

#9 Jul 28, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
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You noticed that they didn't interview Smoke? At least I haven't seen or heard of any interview.
Tony was ESPN's in-race reporter, they asked him (and Zippy) during the race what they thought about the tire situation.

You could hear eggshells crunching...
Junior Nation

United States

#10 Jul 28, 2008
Colonel Ingus wrote:
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Tony was ESPN's in-race reporter, they asked him (and Zippy) during the race what they thought about the tire situation.
You could hear eggshells crunching...
Oh Smoke was biting his tongue during the 1 time they went to him during the race. He was biting it so hard I could have sworn I saw blood.
Mr Slappy

Elmhurst, IL

#11 Jul 28, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
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You noticed that they didn't interview Smoke? At least I haven't seen or heard of any interview.
They're still scraping him off the ceiling in the NASCAR trailer.
figuratively speaking

Kansas City, MO

#12 Jul 28, 2008
Mr Slappy wrote:
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They're still scraping him off the ceiling in the NASCAR trailer.
Absolutely. I cannot imagine what carrot they dangled in front of the owners and drivers to keep them all composed and happy yesterday. Then again, maybe they were threatened to keep their comments to themselves. Something went on. They all acted like they were reading the same script.
figuratively speaking

Kansas City, MO

#13 Jul 28, 2008
Mr Slappy wrote:
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They're still scraping him off the ceiling in the NASCAR trailer.
I'll bet the paint blistered in there too.
Dalesgirl

United States

#14 Jul 28, 2008
Whoyakidding wrote:
You know, it's a sad damn day when the drivers get out of the car and apology for the way a race was run. I heard plenty of that yesterday but not one damn apology from NASCAR. I heard a lot of excuses and reasons why they couldn't do this or couldn't do that but no apology for letting the seconc biggest NASCAR event of the year get screwed up beyond belief.
I agree with you. I heard that some of the fans that left early wanted a refund and were told no, that Nascar doesn't give refunds. Horrible race.
88Fan

Schaumburg, IL

#15 Jul 28, 2008
Junior Nation wrote:
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You noticed that they didn't interview Smoke? At least I haven't seen or heard of any interview.
Tony was the poster child for congeniality. As others mentioned, I would bet all of your money that NASCAR put the clamps on everyone with stern warnings. Ridiculous to have a 160 lap race that really was a 8 lap race. And no driver should ever have to worry about a tire blowing out in 10 laps or less at ANY speed, let alone the speeds they reach there.
Mr Slappy

Elmhurst, IL

#16 Jul 28, 2008
Dalesgirl wrote:
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I agree with you. I heard that some of the fans that left early wanted a refund and were told no, that Nascar doesn't give refunds. Horrible race.
NASCAR better get its act together. People can't afford to go to as many races with high gas prices, tickets, camping etc. They didn't run the August Michigan race til Wednesday last year and most of the fans left by Monday with tickets no race and no refund.

I'm not going to Michigan this year because 20 minutes into the race its like watching cars go by on I-88. Chicagoland isn't much better. The tracks are too long and nobody's racing until the last laps (except of course Bristol). Maybe they should put the drivers into heats and let them race for 25 laps with the winners in a 50 lap final. Sure would make things a hell of a lot more interesting.

“You want WHAT????”

Since: Jan 07

Myrtle Beach, SC

#17 Jul 28, 2008
88Fan- wrote:
A shame no one.... not Mike Helton when interviewed (though it certainly wasn't completely his or NASCAR's fault), not any of the announcers, not the drivers.... NO ONE had the balls to say what the problems really are:
1. A lousy tire from Goodyear
2. A lousy racing surface on an OLD race track
3. A very lousy race car
How I miss the days when drivers raced each other and not the track or the tires. When they competed for the lead on the track instead of in the pits.
Spot-on comments by the first two by the way.
Excuse me, but if you're laying any of this on IMS, you're WAY off base. That surface hasn't changed since 2005, and NASCAR ran there last year on the same tire with less than perfect results.

Funny thing, however, is that Indycars run Firestones around the place without anywhere near the failure rate we saw yesterday. And, oh, by the way, they run about 40 mph. faster. Even the track snobs from F-1 had no problem with the surface after their little Michelin fiasco there.

NASCAR and Goodyear really "screwed the pooch" on this one, first for not having a full-blown test with the COT, and second, for Goodyear not having some alternative compound to put in place when it was apparent throughout the weekend that the track was not going to "rubber-in" the way they had hoped.

And while we're at it, what's up with NASCAR forbidding Mark Martin from pitting a lap ahead of the "competition cautions" to improve his track position. Last time I checked, racing was supposed to be about finding the best way to work with the circumstances they're dealt, not with trying to keep everyone running in a parade.

NASCAR further screwed up this procedure by continuing the "competition cautions" after the halfway point of the race. By that point, all the teams had a pretty clear idea of what they were dealing with. There was no need for NASCAR to keep running everyone off the track to check tires when they ALL knew what they were up against and could (or should have) dealt with the problem accordingly.

There's plenty of blame to go around, to be sure, but the Speedway should bear no part of it.
Junior Nation

United States

#18 Jul 28, 2008
Skip-SC wrote:
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Excuse me, but if you're laying any of this on IMS, you're WAY off base. That surface hasn't changed since 2005, and NASCAR ran there last year on the same tire with less than perfect results.
Funny thing, however, is that Indycars run Firestones around the place without anywhere near the failure rate we saw yesterday. And, oh, by the way, they run about 40 mph. faster. Even the track snobs from F-1 had no problem with the surface after their little Michelin fiasco there.
NASCAR and Goodyear really "screwed the pooch" on this one, first for not having a full-blown test with the COT, and second, for Goodyear not having some alternative compound to put in place when it was apparent throughout the weekend that the track was not going to "rubber-in" the way they had hoped.
And while we're at it, what's up with NASCAR forbidding Mark Martin from pitting a lap ahead of the "competition cautions" to improve his track position. Last time I checked, racing was supposed to be about finding the best way to work with the circumstances they're dealt, not with trying to keep everyone running in a parade.
NASCAR further screwed up this procedure by continuing the "competition cautions" after the halfway point of the race. By that point, all the teams had a pretty clear idea of what they were dealing with. There was no need for NASCAR to keep running everyone off the track to check tires when they ALL knew what they were up against and could (or should have) dealt with the problem accordingly.
There's plenty of blame to go around, to be sure, but the Speedway should bear no part of it.
It was a mess and both NASCAR & Goodyear weren't very prepared.

I do have one question and I haven't heard anyone give me an answer for it. What is the purpose of Indy have the diamond cut track? I've never paid much attention to it before since the track has always rubbered in.
christy88

San Antonio, TX

#19 Jul 28, 2008
Very Well Put!!! I missed that with MM, thats what it looked like, as soon as the guys started racing here goes another damn caution,and in a parade they come down the only racing was off pit road. It sucked
88Fan

Schaumburg, IL

#20 Jul 28, 2008
Skip-SC wrote:
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Excuse me, but if you're laying any of this on IMS, you're WAY off base. That surface hasn't changed since 2005, and NASCAR ran there last year on the same tire with less than perfect results.
Funny thing, however, is that Indycars run Firestones around the place without anywhere near the failure rate we saw yesterday. And, oh, by the way, they run about 40 mph. faster. Even the track snobs from F-1 had no problem with the surface after their little Michelin fiasco there.
NASCAR and Goodyear really "screwed the pooch" on this one, first for not having a full-blown test with the COT, and second, for Goodyear not having some alternative compound to put in place when it was apparent throughout the weekend that the track was not going to "rubber-in" the way they had hoped.
And while we're at it, what's up with NASCAR forbidding Mark Martin from pitting a lap ahead of the "competition cautions" to improve his track position. Last time I checked, racing was supposed to be about finding the best way to work with the circumstances they're dealt, not with trying to keep everyone running in a parade.
NASCAR further screwed up this procedure by continuing the "competition cautions" after the halfway point of the race. By that point, all the teams had a pretty clear idea of what they were dealing with. There was no need for NASCAR to keep running everyone off the track to check tires when they ALL knew what they were up against and could (or should have) dealt with the problem accordingly.
There's plenty of blame to go around, to be sure, but the Speedway should bear no part of it.
Except that Indy cars only weigh about 1615 pounds... a HUGE difference even at increased speeds. And I agree with you that the track isn't totally to blame but shares in the blame. FIX THE TRACK like Darlington, Lowes, Texas, and so on. If you want the rewards of a couple hundred thousand fans, you owe them a race. And Knaus himself mentioned that testing there is pretty worthless since there are no other similar tracks to compare results with. So while I agree to some degree, it's common knowledge that the surface is crap, and has been crap, and always will be crap until it's redone.

Little comparison to a 1600# Indy car running Firestones to a 3500# Cup car on Goodyears.

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