Waltrip's rough season heads in right...

Waltrip's rough season heads in right direction

There are 186 comments on the The Indianapolis Star story from Jun 8, 2007, titled Waltrip's rough season heads in right direction. In it, The Indianapolis Star reports that:

For the first time this season, Michael Waltrip goes into a race on the plus side in Nextel Cup points.

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Maxwells Hammer

Indianapolis, IN

#1 Jun 8, 2007
OK I admitt I know zero about NASCAR, but for the most part aren't the cars pretty much the same with only the front clip or nose decals different. I do know with the new cars they are. So that must leave it to the engine. If memory serves be right and if NASCAR is serious about Toyota staying in the mix. Why arn't they helping them in some way to get them in the shows. They did with Dodge when they came call several years ago. They tweek the rules all the time to even the playing field, why not now? Maybe they already have to some point, I don't know. Would like some reflective responces on the subject and please avoid the non american manufacture factor, because in this day and age it won't fly. Less than 10% of good sold in the good old USA are 100% american made and that percentage is going down every day.
Hopeless

Indianapolis, IN

#2 Jun 8, 2007
What ever. The guy made one race. Then crashes! Finally in the plus on points.
He sux....Morgan Shepherd deserves to race more than Mikey does.
Tim Wohlford

Middleville, MI

#3 Jun 8, 2007
Maxwells.... If NASCAR helps Toyota cars make the field, then who gets bumped? Would you bump Dodge, or Chevy, or Ford?

IN addition, most major auto racing is done with "pretty much the same" cars. IRL and CHAMP certainly fall into that category. The rest, including sprints, midgets, drag, and even F1 have their rules set up so that the technology is limited, and the cars are basically the same.
Maxwells Hammer

Indianapolis, IN

#4 Jun 8, 2007
Tim Wohlford wrote:
Maxwells.... If NASCAR helps Toyota cars make the field, then who gets bumped? Would you bump Dodge, or Chevy, or Ford?
IN addition, most major auto racing is done with "pretty much the same" cars. IRL and CHAMP certainly fall into that category. The rest, including sprints, midgets, drag, and even F1 have their rules set up so that the technology is limited, and the cars are basically the same.
I aggree with your logic, someone is going to get bumped and the big three are the only options. I do find in difficult at best to believe all that would not have been at least discussed when Toyota came calling. Who knows what the power players were and are thinking. Maybe this is the plan in the grand scope of things. Let Toyota field a car, offer little or no help by tweeking the rules to help them at least make the shows and let them fail and fall to the way side. Honestly I can believe they would do that to Toyota, but I can't see them doing it to some of the major players in the sport like Dale and Mikey. Then again maybe the end justifies the means. Who knows, I have see smaller fish fried for the big picture and by no means is NASCAR a small fry $$$.
chrisco

Yuma, AZ

#5 Jun 8, 2007
Maxwells Hammer wrote:
OK I admitt I know zero about NASCAR, but for the most part aren't the cars pretty much the same with only the front clip or nose decals different. I do know with the new cars they are. So that must leave it to the engine. If memory serves be right and if NASCAR is serious about Toyota staying in the mix. Why arn't they helping them in some way to get them in the shows. They did with Dodge when they came call several years ago. They tweek the rules all the time to even the playing field, why not now? Maybe they already have to some point, I don't know. Would like some reflective responces on the subject and please avoid the non american manufacture factor, because in this day and age it won't fly. Less than 10% of good sold in the good old USA are 100% american made and that percentage is going down every day.
You may be assuming TRD has sought help from NASCAR. They probably have not, and I don't think NASCAR has ever offered unsolicited "help" to a race team or manufacturer.

TRD has made some limited refinements in their engine setups recently that did not require NASCAR approval to implement. If they wanted to do something more drastic, I suspect NASCAR would entertain the application within the season as they did in the case of Dodge when they re-entered the sport.

TRD's role in engine developement is a little different than the other manufacturers. Teams like Hendrick, Roush (most of the majors) will have parts that they have developed that are part of the engine that are submitted for approval jointly with the manufacturer. The teams may make these parts available for sale to other teams or not.

TRD treats the motor program like they did in the open wheel programs where they provide pretty much a complete engine and the individual race teams do little to them once they get them (because there are not alot of options available to them.

Not Toyota bashing. One of the worlds greatest car manufacturers whether they are built in Ohio or Japan. TRD is a different story. They have pulled out of major series more than once because they, as a manufacturer were getting their ass whipped by someone else. Yes they do well in the trucks, but the trucks are a third string series for the Ford, Chevy, Dodge teams and don't get and did'nt have the undivided attention of their respective teams and manufacturer like Toyota did up until recently.
chrisco

Yuma, AZ

#6 Jun 8, 2007
Tim Wohlford wrote:
Maxwells.... If NASCAR helps Toyota cars make the field, then who gets bumped? Would you bump Dodge, or Chevy, or Ford?
IN addition, most major auto racing is done with "pretty much the same" cars. IRL and CHAMP certainly fall into that category. The rest, including sprints, midgets, drag, and even F1 have their rules set up so that the technology is limited, and the cars are basically the same.
IRL is a great example of where TRD bolted with thier tails between thier legs. They could not compete with Honda's tiny racing program. There is room to work within the rules to make a difference in engine performance because there is constant developement and it kind of runs in streaks, chevy's seem strongest for awhile, then its Ford's turn etc.

Since: Apr 07

Glendale, AZ

#7 Jun 8, 2007
Hopeless wrote:
What ever. The guy made one race. Then crashes! Finally in the plus on points.
He sux....Morgan Shepherd deserves to race more than Mikey does.
So what he hit the wall and spun out during the race but guess what, they went and put new tires on that car and he got back out there and gained two spots. Would Morgan have done that? Doubt it. They would have said "to hell with this" and parked it. Mikey doesn't give up. He's doesn't whine that the drivers are crazy, and parks the car, and refuses to finish the race, like a certain Cup Champion did during a Busch race last year. Mikey has more heart than you will ever know.

Since: Apr 07

Glendale, AZ

#8 Jun 8, 2007
Maxwells Hammer wrote:
OK I admitt I know zero about NASCAR, but for the most part aren't the cars pretty much the same with only the front clip or nose decals different. I do know with the new cars they are. So that must leave it to the engine. If memory serves be right and if NASCAR is serious about Toyota staying in the mix. Why arn't they helping them in some way to get them in the shows. They did with Dodge when they came call several years ago. They tweek the rules all the time to even the playing field, why not now? Maybe they already have to some point, I don't know. Would like some reflective responces on the subject and please avoid the non american manufacture factor, because in this day and age it won't fly. Less than 10% of good sold in the good old USA are 100% american made and that percentage is going down every day.
Maxwell, NASCAR did go in and help Waltrip's team with figuring out why their cars were having a hard time passing inspection. That's something they'll do for any team, so long as they ask. Just nobody has pulled their heads out of their rears, swallowed their prides enough to ask besides Michael. It just shows he's REALLY REALLY wanting to get this thing right. Not just sitting back and taking crap.
As for Toyota's engines, they figured out what part of the problem is. That's why more Toyotas qualified for Dover and Charlotte........ including Michael. Toyotas engines were down on RPMs when coming to the straights for some reason. They fixed that and the teams really like the engines. Heck, Vickers got the highest finish for a Toyota yet at Charlotte. They are making progress. It's gettin better.

“KAIZEN!”

Since: Apr 07

Gambier , Oh.

#9 Jun 8, 2007
chrisco wrote:
<quoted text>
You may be assuming TRD has sought help from NASCAR. They probably have not, and I don't think NASCAR has ever offered unsolicited "help" to a race team or manufacturer.
TRD has made some limited refinements in their engine setups recently that did not require NASCAR approval to implement. If they wanted to do something more drastic, I suspect NASCAR would entertain the application within the season as they did in the case of Dodge when they re-entered the sport.
TRD's role in engine developement is a little different than the other manufacturers. Teams like Hendrick, Roush (most of the majors) will have parts that they have developed that are part of the engine that are submitted for approval jointly with the manufacturer. The teams may make these parts available for sale to other teams or not.
TRD treats the motor program like they did in the open wheel programs where they provide pretty much a complete engine and the individual race teams do little to them once they get them (because there are not alot of options available to them.
Not Toyota bashing. One of the worlds greatest car manufacturers whether they are built in Ohio or Japan. TRD is a different story. They have pulled out of major series more than once because they, as a manufacturer were getting their ass whipped by someone else. Yes they do well in the trucks, but the trucks are a third string series for the Ford, Chevy, Dodge teams and don't get and did'nt have the undivided attention of their respective teams and manufacturer like Toyota did up until recently.
As far as I'm aware of NASCAR will supply any team help with meeting the templates for the cars, NASCAR will send templates & official(s)to the race teams home shop to do this, thus speeding up the inspection process. NASCAR also dictates the engine capacities, size, etc... after a engine is submitted any major variation must be approved by NASCAR.The race team or owner must ask NASCAR for any help. You are correct that Toyota (TRD) builds its own engines for its teams, I also belive they have thier own tuners at the track? What I don't get is why Ford, Dodge,&Chevy can use thier truck-Busch series componets in cup But Toyota(TRD)may not? I've looked & can't find anything on this? I don't know if it's NASCAR or TRD? does anyone have anything on this?

“KAIZEN!”

Since: Apr 07

Gambier , Oh.

#10 Jun 8, 2007
chrisco wrote:
<quoted text>
IRL is a great example of where TRD bolted with thier tails between thier legs. They could not compete with Honda's tiny racing program. There is room to work within the rules to make a difference in engine performance because there is constant developement and it kind of runs in streaks, chevy's seem strongest for awhile, then its Ford's turn etc.
Did TRD bolt out of IRL or was TRD shown the door for infractions? This is what I've always heard? I'm asking because I don't watch or follow the IRL!
chrisco

Monmouth Junction, NJ

#11 Jun 8, 2007
go mwr wrote:
<quoted text>Did TRD bolt out of IRL or was TRD shown the door for infractions? This is what I've always heard? I'm asking because I don't watch or follow the IRL!
My understanding is TRD withdrew support for the IRL product. I don't know why IRL would boot them,(although well within thier capabilities to do dumb things), its ultimately bad for the sport and anticompetive to only have one viable engine supplier.
herman

Indianapolis, IN

#12 Jun 8, 2007
chrisco --

not to be overly argumentative, but USAC Gold Crown cars did pretty well with a little four banger by the name of Offenhauser for decades.
Maxwells Hammer

Indianapolis, IN

#13 Jun 8, 2007
Not to change the subject, but here goes. Looks like NASCAR has hammered the bad boy again. Busch got rear ended losing 100 points, 100K, and on pro until the end of the season for his Tony pit road drive by and also hitting a crew member. Love him or hate him he could have killed somebody because of this childish fit.
Right

Indianapolis, IN

#14 Jun 8, 2007
You people keep misspelling it.

It's TuRD
Wake up

Indianapolis, IN

#15 Jun 8, 2007
Renee29404 wrote:
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So what he hit the wall and spun out during the race but guess what, they went and put new tires on that car and he got back out there and gained two spots. Would Morgan have done that? Doubt it. They would have said "to hell with this" and parked it. Mikey doesn't give up. He's doesn't whine that the drivers are crazy, and parks the car, and refuses to finish the race, like a certain Cup Champion did during a Busch race last year. Mikey has more heart than you will ever know.
doesn't whine!!!!!!!!!!he's the whinnest little beaach it racing. If it's not hid stellar performance then it's his hair. And when he's not whinning hos brother has half of FOX doing it for him.
Wake up

Indianapolis, IN

#16 Jun 8, 2007
Renee29404 wrote:
<quoted text>
So what he hit the wall and spun out during the race but guess what, they went and put new tires on that car and he got back out there and gained two spots. Would Morgan have done that? Doubt it. They would have said "to hell with this" and parked it. Mikey doesn't give up. He's doesn't whine that the drivers are crazy, and parks the car, and refuses to finish the race, like a certain Cup Champion did during a Busch race last year. Mikey has more heart than you will ever know.
Good news for Mikey though. I heard Jr. has been signed by Toyota to finally put a driver in that piece crap. MWR had something no one else could offer.
WEEKENDS OFF !!!!!
Waltrip misses AGAIN

AOL

#17 Jun 8, 2007
Well, whats the excuse this week?
To Renee

AOL

#18 Jun 8, 2007
I saw your picture that you posted on yahoo360 and I must say, you are everything I imagined! What's fgightening is that you picked that picture yourself!!Stringy unkept hair, black undershirt, 30-40 pounds overweight. You tried to hide that huge asss of yours by standing behind your son but you would really have to stand behind a bus to do that. Your arms are manlike! YUK-O.(check her out on Yahoo360--'Renee Y'--see if you don't agree)

Since: Apr 07

Glendale, AZ

#19 Jun 8, 2007
Wake up wrote:
<quoted text>doesn't whine!!!!!!!!!!he's the whinnest little beaach it racing. If it's not hid stellar performance then it's his hair. And when he's not whinning hos brother has half of FOX doing it for him.
Yeah prove it. You've obviously never listened to his in-car. Funny how you gloss over the Champion who parked the car and bitched about the other drivers. Got nothing on that do ya?

Since: Apr 07

Glendale, AZ

#20 Jun 8, 2007
To Renee wrote:
I saw your picture that you posted on yahoo360 and I must say, you are everything I imagined! What's fgightening is that you picked that picture yourself!!Stringy unkept hair, black undershirt, 30-40 pounds overweight. You tried to hide that huge asss of yours by standing behind your son but you would really have to stand behind a bus to do that. Your arms are manlike! YUK-O.(check her out on Yahoo360--'Renee Y'--see if you don't agree)
Well, at least I am brave enough to put up a picture. I bet I could put yours in my basement to scrare any rats away. Oh yeah, you're too wimpy to put up, you just whine, so put up or shut up.

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