Stewart understands the booing

Stewart understands the booing

There are 48 comments on the www.mlive.com story from Apr 11, 2008, titled Stewart understands the booing. In it, www.mlive.com reports that:

Tony Stewart knows that he and his teammates with Joe Gibbs Racing may not be the most popular drivers in the field when NASCAR's traveling circus returns to Michigan International Speedway for the LifeLock 400 ...

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Terry

Kansas City, MO

#23 Apr 13, 2008
Gwyneth wrote:
I am puzzled when people moan about Toyota. Lots of jobs are created with foreign-owned plants in America.
I wonder if the Toyota-haters think it is bad for GM to be a huge presence in Europe? Are we invading Europe with our dominance in foreign companies?
GENERAL MOTORS BEATS TOYOTA FOR WORLD SALES LEADER
http://www.greatcarstv.com/news/general-motor...
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Another article
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/111/open_...
How about jobs? "Just this year (2006), Ford and GM have terminated 46,000 North American employees. Together, they have announced the closing of 26 North American
factories over the next five years. Toyota has never closed a North American factory;
it will open a new one in Texas this fall and another in Ontario in 2008. Detroit isn't being bested by imports: 60% of the cars Toyota sells
in North America are made here.
Toyota doesn't have corporate convulsions, and it never has. It restructures a little
bit every work shift. That's what the open space in the Georgetown paint shop is all
about."
Ok we can go round and if you like. This all started in the 70's and 80's with unfair trade practices. They kicked our butts with cheaper labor and the lobbists paid politician's so no tarrifs were imposed on the imports as they should have. The big three asked and pushed many times. Mean while the Japanese wouldn't let our products in their country without heavy tarriff's. Even when we complied they let our food product's rot in the hulls of our ship's. The only sucess story I know of is Harley they got the much needed tarriff on the Japanese bikes.
Your beloved Toyota has created jobs at a big price breaking all the unions. In Appalachian's they were big into building furniture. Thats all gone now. It's all being built in China. So the hero Toyota builds a plant there and is paying 10 to 12 dollars an hour to build their cars. Delphi another big part of GM went bust. They tryed working with the UAW. They were making about 25.00 and hour. The UAW offered 15.00 GM said they needed 11.00 to compete with the foreign market cars. Guess what the plant closed. Hundreds of families affected. You seem quite happy the unions are getting busted and American plants are closing. I agree the guy that sweeps the floors shouldn't get 25.00 and hour, but there has to be balence in this country. Do you what this country was like without unions? The Japanese have lost many more Jobs country then they created and at a much lower wage. Look at the housing industry and the job market in this country right now.
Hell new cars sales are down across the board even your beloved Toyota. Pickup Automotive news it tells the real story. I am in car the bussiness. Oyea and guess what this year China had five different car manufacturer's intoduce the wares in north American Auto show' That would be like GM, Ford, Chrysler,Honda and Toyota. Get ready in 5 to 8 years. Its all sweatshop labor. Toyota is going to be a pimple on our butt compared to China. Yea GM and Ford Chrysler are makeing parts in different countries to compete and US plants are closing. Makes you feel good doesn't it. Just remember how it started and were dumb enough to let our politicans get away it and be bought off. No one even talks about sweatshops anymore no one cares. Hell Toyota will be the next to be in trouble in years to come. But just maybe you could help them out in a few years . Go work for 5 or 8 bucks an hour to compete with China and then go support your family. Bottom line we are losing millions of jobs in this country believe it!

Since: Mar 08

AOL

#24 Apr 13, 2008
nike is another prime example their shoes are made in asia , they pay maybe 2 dallars a day to the workers and charge anyone who will pay it $145 for a pair of shoes. they make huge profits , if they had to pay a living wage in america it would cut into their profits emensley ... 10 dollars a week in asia is alot of money.
Terry

Kansas City, MO

#25 Apr 13, 2008
mjissmokesmojo wrote:
nike is another prime example their shoes are made in asia , they pay maybe 2 dallars a day to the workers and charge anyone who will pay it $145 for a pair of shoes. they make huge profits , if they had to pay a living wage in america it would cut into their profits emensley ... 10 dollars a week in asia is alot of money.
Perfect example great post!

Since: Aug 07

Morris, IL

#26 Apr 13, 2008
Gwyneth wrote:
I am puzzled when people moan about Toyota. Lots of jobs are created with foreign-owned plants in America.
I wonder if the Toyota-haters think it is bad for GM to be a huge presence in Europe? Are we invading Europe with our dominance in foreign companies?
GENERAL MOTORS BEATS TOYOTA FOR WORLD SALES LEADER
http://www.greatcarstv.com/news/general-motor...
----------
Another article
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/111/open_...
How about jobs? "Just this year (2006), Ford and GM have terminated 46,000 North American employees. Together, they have announced the closing of 26 North American
factories over the next five years. Toyota has never closed a North American factory;
it will open a new one in Texas this fall and another in Ontario in 2008. Detroit isn't being bested by imports: 60% of the cars Toyota sells
in North America are made here.
Toyota doesn't have corporate convulsions, and it never has. It restructures a little
bit every work shift. That's what the open space in the Georgetown paint shop is all
about."
I personally don't have issues with Toyota but my Grandmother personally did since she lived through Pearl Harbor. So I think some of that still comes out in bashers. But I'm not one of them :)

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#27 Apr 13, 2008
Irony Alert

So, it is okay for GM to dominate in Europe.

/Irony Alert

Terry, regarding unions, they stink. My father was with Chevy for @ 20 years but finally left because of the crap they put out. As for unions, well, I think they were a big part of the problem. At least, the quality has gotten better with GM and Ford and if Chrysler will ever fix the power train issues they would be awesome.
Cleo

Marquette, MI

#28 Apr 13, 2008
The biggest problem as a consumer is finding things that are american made. As long as Toyota or other foreign interests build plants in America and use American labor, they will have my support. The Big Three lost it along time ago by not being proactive.

Another part of the puzzle that is missing, is in the Japanese Business model..the CEO makes no greater than 100 times the average worker. There are no $500 million dollar bonus for the CEO of a Company that is losing money.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#29 Apr 13, 2008
^ Bravo, Cleo

“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#30 Apr 13, 2008
Cleo wrote:
<quoted text>
And if Henry Ford was alive, he'd be appalled by the way that the management of the company has turned its back on its own workers.
would he have let the unions rape the company?

Since: Mar 08

AOL

#31 Apr 13, 2008
Cleo wrote:
The biggest problem as a consumer is finding things that are american made. As long as Toyota or other foreign interests build plants in America and use American labor, they will have my support. The Big Three lost it along time ago by not being proactive.
Another part of the puzzle that is missing, is in the Japanese Business model..the CEO makes no greater than 100 times the average worker. There are no $500 million dollar bonus for the CEO of a Company that is losing money.
i think america is the only country that the lowest paid to highest paid has suck a large gap ... if they narrowed the gap and let each employee enjoy a part of the profits of the company we would have a better work force.(its hard as a lower paid worker to hear your company is making billions in profits and your raise is 5 cents an hour or 100.00 more per month. and the boss and management just got 100% increase in their pay and incentives. We are screwed up in we pay those who do the least the most and those who do the most the least.

“Smoke and the Rocketman”

Since: Jan 07

Schuylkill Haven, PA

#32 Apr 13, 2008
mjissmokesmojo wrote:
<quoted text>i think america is the only country that the lowest paid to highest paid has suck a large gap ... if they narrowed the gap and let each employee enjoy a part of the profits of the company we would have a better work force.(its hard as a lower paid worker to hear your company is making billions in profits and your raise is 5 cents an hour or 100.00 more per month. and the boss and management just got 100% increase in their pay and incentives. We are screwed up in we pay those who do the least the most and those who do the most the least.
the image of CEOs throwing parties is portrayed, but is actually rare.. most CEOs age faster than regular people because there is a lot of stress to the job. as you climb the corporate ladder, you get more responsibility, not less, you earn every penny that you are paid and you usually put in a lot more than 40 hours a week... in fact, if you actually figured out the pay per hour for many salaried corporate business people, they do not make as much as you think. Their job is 24 hours a day 7 days a week because they have it on their mind all the time.. always thinking about the job

“TonyfanAnn”

Since: Dec 06

Someplace in the United States

#33 Apr 13, 2008
Terry wrote:
<quoted text>I agree with you it's doubtful, but Tony has strong ties with Chevy so you can never say never.
He will continue to have ties with Chevy through his own teams. But like I said unless Gibbs returns to Chevy, and Smoke sticks to what he says about retiring at Gibbs, it want never happen.

“TonyfanAnn”

Since: Dec 06

Someplace in the United States

#34 Apr 13, 2008
mjissmokesmojo wrote:
<quoted text>i think america is the only country that the lowest paid to highest paid has suck a large gap ... if they narrowed the gap and let each employee enjoy a part of the profits of the company we would have a better work force.(its hard as a lower paid worker to hear your company is making billions in profits and your raise is 5 cents an hour or 100.00 more per month. and the boss and management just got 100% increase in their pay and incentives. We are screwed up in we pay those who do the least the most and those who do the most the least.
Exactly. Well put.

We can complain all day long that it is because of tariffs, and the cheap labor. But the truth is, Company heads are greedy. They keep getting all these big incentives and bonuses. And the men and women who do all the work, get nothing.

It is the companies themselves that have done this to our workforce.

Since: Mar 08

AOL

#35 Apr 13, 2008
Debi Does wrote:
<quoted text>the image of CEOs throwing parties is portrayed, but is actually rare.. most CEOs age faster than regular people because there is a lot of stress to the job. as you climb the corporate ladder, you get more responsibility, not less, you earn every penny that you are paid and you usually put in a lot more than 40 hours a week... in fact, if you actually figured out the pay per hour for many salaried corporate business people, they do not make as much as you think. Their job is 24 hours a day 7 days a week because they have it on their mind all the time.. always thinking about the job
that would be middle management your discribing dimwitdabtwit... you have never worked (by your own admission)so how would you know? again you have no clue .... get a real job and then you can speak on the subject...dimwitdabtwit

Since: Mar 08

AOL

#36 Apr 13, 2008
mjissmokesmojo wrote:
<quoted text>I think america is the only country that the lowest paid to highest paid has such a large gap ... if they narrowed the gap and let each employee enjoy a part of the profits of the company we would have a better work force.(it's hard as a lower paid worker to hear your company is making billions in profits and your raise is 5 cents an hour or 100.00 more per month. and the boss and management just got 100% increase in their pay and incentives. We are screwed up in we pay those who do the least the most and those who do the most the least.
oh , and the 100.00 you just got for a raise well your contribution to your medical dental vision just doubled or trippled so you really now have no raise because your benifits ate up all the raise and then some.Gas has doubled,loaf bread,and rent or house payment, and taxes and insurance for the house went up as well. So when all is said and done your taking home less than you were before the raise.And that is if the raise didnt knock you into a higher tax bracket lol (i know i miss mary sunshine huh!!!)
Terry

Kansas City, MO

#38 Apr 13, 2008
Gwyneth wrote:
Irony Alert
So, it is okay for GM to dominate in Europe.
/Irony Alert
Terry, regarding unions, they stink. My father was with Chevy for @ 20 years but finally left because of the crap they put out. As for unions, well, I think they were a big part of the problem. At least, the quality has gotten better with GM and Ford and if Chrysler will ever fix the power train issues they would be awesome.
The facts are misleading. Toyota outsold Gm in the US for a short time. So intern Gm combined there world wide sales to recapture the #1 spot. VW has the top spot in Europe.
http://www.motiontrends.com/2007/m11/Jato/eur...
http://www.indiacar.com/xnewdet.asp...
I was never in a union but your father had good bennifit's and retirement and a decent wage. Was he paid too much I don't know ask him? I sold many a new car to GM empolyees.
As far as unions all I said is you have to have some balance. Hence my remark on floor sweeper's
As far as power train issues Toyota is no saint . They have class action law suits against them for thousands of sludged motors they weren't paying for under their warranty. Also they had Van doors falling apart they didn't want to repair under warranty.Plus the Toyota Tundra motors have big problems that they tried to hide big time so Toyota's no Saint. I didn't want to get into who builds a better car we will have thousands of arguements from hundreds of people going back and forth thats another whole thread if you want to go there. If you want I'll give you a post headline you can use. You'll get lots of posts I am sure. Start out GM has a Better Warranty than Toyota that should get some motors running. Good luck have a nice night!
Terry

Kansas City, MO

#39 Apr 13, 2008
Cleo wrote:
The biggest problem as a consumer is finding things that are american made. As long as Toyota or other foreign interests build plants in America and use American labor, they will have my support. The Big Three lost it along time ago by not being proactive.
Another part of the puzzle that is missing, is in the Japanese Business model..the CEO makes no greater than 100 times the average worker. There are no $500 million dollar bonus for the CEO of a Company that is losing money.
I agree a CEO should never be paid millions of dollars when the company is losing money.
Terry

Kansas City, MO

#40 Apr 13, 2008
DreamingofTony wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly. Well put.
We can complain all day long that it is because of tariffs, and the cheap labor. But the truth is, Company heads are greedy. They keep getting all these big incentives and bonuses. And the men and women who do all the work, get nothing.
It is the companies themselves that have done this to our workforce.
Yea but it is a very big part and its happening right now hence the China part I brought up.
Not only that Toyota was nailed for not paying taxes in the countries they have factories in and funneling the profits back to Japan. So the bottom line the big boys make the rules and the lobbists run the country. All we can do is vote and hope.
Terry

Kansas City, MO

#41 Apr 13, 2008
mjissmokesmojo wrote:
<quoted text>oh , and the 100.00 you just got for a raise well your contribution to your medical dental vision just doubled or trippled so you really now have no raise because your benifits ate up all the raise and then some.Gas has doubled,loaf bread,and rent or house payment, and taxes and insurance for the house went up as well. So when all is said and done your taking home less than you were before the raise.And that is if the raise didnt knock you into a higher tax bracket lol (i know i miss mary sunshine huh!!!)
BINGO!

Since: Aug 07

Morris, IL

#42 Apr 13, 2008
Terry wrote:
<quoted text>I agree a CEO should never be paid millions of dollars when the company is losing money.
Hi Terry :) Boring day isn't it?

Since: Aug 07

Indianapolis, IN

#43 Apr 13, 2008
Terry wrote:
<quoted text>I agree a CEO should never be paid millions of dollars when the company is losing money.
And, they pay them millions to get RID of them. Something just isn't right in those golden parachutes.

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