Toyota Debuts in Car of Tomorrow Test

Toyota Debuts in Car of Tomorrow Test

There are 76 comments on the The Associated Press story from Aug 21, 2006, titled Toyota Debuts in Car of Tomorrow Test . In it, The Associated Press reports that:

Toyota made its first official on-track appearance Monday, with Bill Elliott, Michael Waltrip and Dave Blaney all piloting Camrys in NASCAR's Car of Tomorrow test at Michigan International Speedway.

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3MAN

United States

#1 Aug 21, 2006
THIS THING SUCKS,
THEY CALL THIS STOCK CAR RACIN
BULLCRAP TO FAR FROM STOCK NOW
anderson24

United States

#2 Aug 21, 2006
3MAN wrote:
THIS THING SUCKS,
THEY CALL THIS STOCK CAR RACIN
BULLCRAP TO FAR FROM STOCK NOW
i was reading it on nascar.com i dont like it either
OLDSCHOOL

United States

#3 Aug 22, 2006
Bigger, boxier, less aero dependant, more mechanical grip. Yeppie sounds like good old days.
red bull elliott

AOL

#4 Aug 23, 2006
the wing has to go
ranman69

AOL

#5 Aug 23, 2006
Hey doesn't anyone remember what oldschool is talking about. This new car might actually make this racing more about the driver and the pit crew than just who has the most money. I hope so!!!
ranman69

AOL

#6 Aug 23, 2006
red bull elliott wrote:
the wing has to go
Remember the superbird? Nothing could look worse.
anderson24

United States

#7 Aug 23, 2006
when ya stop and think about it old school is probably right on jeffs test he said he likes it ok
3MAN

United States

#8 Aug 23, 2006
TAKE'M OFF THE LOT PUT ON TIRES AND ROBARS
DRIVE IT TO THE CHECKERS YOU WIN
WATCHED THIS ON A SHORT TRACK IN JEFFERSONVILLE IN.
IT WAS GREAT [SUPERDROME SPEEDWAY]
THEY ALSO RUN A FIGURE 8 RACE
Michigan Man

Oak Park, MI

#9 Aug 23, 2006
Might as well let the Honda's and the Suzuki's run with us too !!
anderson24

United States

#10 Aug 23, 2006
they may as well they gonna all look the same anyway
markl5

Chesterfield, MO

#11 Aug 24, 2006
Fans complain about racing.
Drivers complain about racing.
The media complains about racing.
Trouble is, EVERY complains and nobody does anything about it.

Until now.

NASCAR has issues that they must address. One is Safety. The COT has enhanced safety features that keep the driver safer. Two is aerodynamics. You will never see a problem with "Aero push" in these cars. Drivers will actually be able to race with the car in front of them and not worry about having enough downforce to make a pass, just like in the old days. Three, NO MORE AERO ADVANTAGE. No more will I have to hear about which make has better aero.

The COT is also a more cost-effective car because with the common template, Hendrick, Roush and other big-buck teams cannot get an advantage with their money. In other words, wind tunnel testing just got made irrelevent. If I am a lower buck team, my life just got better. Now all I have to worry about is handling, and horsepower.

For all you guys who have been bitchin' about "racing like it used to be," congratulations, you are about to see it. At Daytona, for instance you will see better racing via the draft because these cars punch a bigger hole in the air, and the slingshot pass (remember that?) will come back in style.

True, this car will not make a good looking diecast, but it does answer many of the questions that thousands of fans AND MEDIA complain about every week. NASCAR is on a mission with this car to present a better racing product. That is their primary function, to give the ticket buyer the best racing.

As for Toyota, if you can't name at least one person you know who drives a Toyota, you are either living in a swamp with no cars around, or simply lying. Toyota employes alot of Americans, and is about as US as Dodge, which is owned by the Germans!

Things change, its best to accept that change and move on. Save yourself an ulcer.
anderson24

United States

#12 Aug 24, 2006
MarkL wrote:
Fans complain about racing.
Drivers complain about racing.
The media complains about racing.
Trouble is, EVERY complains and nobody does anything about it.
Until now.
NASCAR has issues that they must address. One is Safety. The COT has enhanced safety features that keep the driver safer. Two is aerodynamics. You will never see a problem with "Aero push" in these cars. Drivers will actually be able to race with the car in front of them and not worry about having enough downforce to make a pass, just like in the old days. Three, NO MORE AERO ADVANTAGE. No more will I have to hear about which make has better aero.
The COT is also a more cost-effective car because with the common template, Hendrick, Roush and other big-buck teams cannot get an advantage with their money. In other words, wind tunnel testing just got made irrelevent. If I am a lower buck team, my life just got better. Now all I have to worry about is handling, and horsepower.
For all you guys who have been bitchin' about "racing like it used to be," congratulations, you are about to see it. At Daytona, for instance you will see better racing via the draft because these cars punch a bigger hole in the air, and the slingshot pass (remember that?) will come back in style.
True, this car will not make a good looking diecast, but it does answer many of the questions that thousands of fans AND MEDIA complain about every week. NASCAR is on a mission with this car to present a better racing product. That is their primary function, to give the ticket buyer the best racing.
As for Toyota, if you can't name at least one person you know who drives a Toyota, you are either living in a swamp with no cars around, or simply lying. Toyota employes alot of Americans, and is about as US as Dodge, which is owned by the Germans!
Things change, its best to accept that change and move on. Save yourself an ulcer.
that is correct it will be a whole better with that car then the one of today i wish they would start with cot the first of the year
ranman69

United States

#13 Aug 24, 2006
Hey Mark,

You really know your stuff, bet you work for Nascar.
Everything you said is correct, we are going to get a lot more for our money instead of the teams with the most money getting it all. Cheers to Nascar for their efforts to make the best sport in the world even better.
markl5

Chesterfield, MO

#14 Aug 24, 2006
Ranman, I do not work for NASCAR, but thanks for the complement. I would tell you what I do but I would give away my insight into the sport by doing so. It is not totally accidental that I live and work in Daytona Beach.

Let me say this though, there are a lot of people who complain about "racing like it used to be." They pontificate on the fact that the cars are no longer "stock" and that you can't tell them apart, etc..

Well today the shape of the everyday road car is shaped by the wind tunnel. As kids we were able to tell street cars apart because of distinctive shapes, not engineered in wind tunnels. The cars of the 60's thru the 80's (including NASCAR stockcars) were based more on a styling signature than aerodynamic efficiency.

Today, it is hard to tell the shape difference of a Mercedes and a Toyota! Only styling cues like head, and tailights, and window shapes make cars distinctive. The alike look of the automotive industry forced the alike look of the NASCAR racecar. This is why the look of the NASCAR COT is totally irrelevent now. With NASCAR being able to shape the car as they wish, they can dictate the performance, and safety needs they need as a racing organization to go forward into the coming decades.

Its gonna be a heck of a show!
markl5

Chesterfield, MO

#15 Aug 24, 2006
By the way, I loved the Superbird!
concrete

United States

#16 Sep 18, 2006
well i thought this was the u.s.a just becouse we have yota plants doesent mean the monys in the u.s
markl5

Chesterfield, MO

#17 Sep 19, 2006
Let's understand something with regards to manufacturer participation in NASCAR.

There is no such thing as a "sure thing."

We have seen the participation on GM, and Ford since the begining. Chrysler products have come and gone, and eventhough that has been the case, NASCAR fans have gotten used to Chrysler being there.

BUT...

Daimler Chrysler is a GERMAN company. They make Mercedes Benz. They are about as "American" as Toyota is. Moving on...

Ford IS IN TROUBLE. GM is in not much better shape, and frankly, I would not be surprised if the Germans decided to pull out of NASCAR tommorrow!

NASCAR fans get bent out of shape over Toyota moving in, not thinking about the shape of the American automotive industry right now. If Ford, and GM wanted to get out of NASCAR right now, it would not shock many people. What would the "American only" fans do then, throw themselves off a cliff because NASCAR might become Toyota VS Honda?

NASCAR has no control over what manufacturers do. They can come and go as they please, and I am sure that NASCAR resisted Toyota getting into Cup for as long as they could, but let's face it, you could not freeze them out. As soon as they let Chrysler back into the game, the door became open for other foreign auto makers to get in too.

So now you've got fans threatening to stop going to NASCAR Cup events because Toyota is in.

I hope those same fan realize that in a few years that Ford, and Chevy might be OUT.
anderson24

United States

#18 Sep 19, 2006
we best be getting used to [toyotas ]it looks like ford n chevy wont be around much longer /
ranman69

Plainview, NY

#19 Sep 20, 2006
MarkL wrote:
Let's understand something with regards to manufacturer participation in NASCAR.
There is no such thing as a "sure thing."
We have seen the participation on GM, and Ford since the begining. Chrysler products have come and gone, and eventhough that has been the case, NASCAR fans have gotten used to Chrysler being there.
BUT...
Daimler Chrysler is a GERMAN company. They make Mercedes Benz. They are about as "American" as Toyota is. Moving on...
Ford IS IN TROUBLE. GM is in not much better shape, and frankly, I would not be surprised if the Germans decided to pull out of NASCAR tommorrow!
NASCAR fans get bent out of shape over Toyota moving in, not thinking about the shape of the American automotive industry right now. If Ford, and GM wanted to get out of NASCAR right now, it would not shock many people. What would the "American only" fans do then, throw themselves off a cliff because NASCAR might become Toyota VS Honda?
NASCAR has no control over what manufacturers do. They can come and go as they please, and I am sure that NASCAR resisted Toyota getting into Cup for as long as they could, but let's face it, you could not freeze them out. As soon as they let Chrysler back into the game, the door became open for other foreign auto makers to get in too.
So now you've got fans threatening to stop going to NASCAR Cup events because Toyota is in.
I hope those same fan realize that in a few years that Ford, and Chevy might be OUT.
Hence, the car of tomorrow.
Chris

Duluth, MN

#20 Sep 20, 2006
MarkL wrote:
By the way, I loved the Superbird!
I like when the cars looked like street cars. In the 70's and 80's you could tell the difference between a Chev, Pontiac, Ford, Olds. My favorite was the #9 Coors Thunderbird of Bill Elliot that broke records that are still standing.

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