Did the Chase for the Championship hu...

Did the Chase for the Championship hurt Nascar's integrity

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“RaiderNation of Domination”

Since: May 07

Some West Texas County

#1 Jun 12, 2013
I kind of feel like it did because
1. In 2004 & 2007, it kept Jeff Gordon from winning his 5th & 6th that would've had him 1 away from catching Legends Richard Petty & Dale Earnhart
2. In 2010, nobody would've caught Kevin Harvick and he'd be in the record books as a Nascar Champion
3. In 2008, Carl Edwards would've won the title & done so again in 2011.

Respectivly in 2005, Tony Stewart would've won either way, Same for Jimmie Johnson in 2006 & 2009 as well as Keslowski in 2012.

However, the regular season scoring system did change in 2011 but I don't think that would've changed the integrity near as much as the Chase has.

Overall, it has kept Jeff Gordon from getting the legacy that he deserves (and I am by no means a Gordon fan) plus it has kept other drivers from getting recognized as champions that deserve to be. Plus it has made Jimmie Johnson look better than he really is...He wouldn't be a legend, just an average (maybe slightly above) great driver.
Mary

Washington, DC

#2 Jun 12, 2013
I agree!

Since day 1 I have been against the Chase & stuff like this is why.
flatt

Farley, IA

#3 Jun 12, 2013
Absolutely NO fan of "The Chase" ,why NASCAR has chosen to eliminate over 2/3 of the starting teams from any descent season point finish is way beyond my reasoning ability. Just my opinion but it hasn't done any favors to several exceptional teams, instead of 12 eligible teams, there should be about 43 for the entire racing season.
The thought of costing anyone, Gordon, Harvick, etc..a championship because of a complete change of the point system during the season is not only absurd but stupid. These guys/teams work too hard to discredit any part of their season...again that's just my 2 worth
Kelly

Rochester, NY

#5 Jun 13, 2013
Never liked the changes they made. Makes NO sense to have 12 drivers in the chase. To top it off, they changed those rules and the 19th and 20th racers in points could get the 11th and 12th spots in the chase. Where is the reasoning in that? Nascar should let well enough alone. We are already seeing less racers on the track for complete races. Seeing more empty seats in the stands. Maybe the Officials should go back to real racing with the drivers in control of their positions and wins. It really should be about consistency over wins. After all, 36 races in a year with 43 starters each week. Not everyone is going to get wins no matter how you slice it.
Racers should be in control of their destiny and officials should butt out on the little things. Also more consistency in penalties seems to be in order.
Cale 11

Colleyville, TX

#6 Jun 13, 2013
It would be interesting to see where drivers would have placed over the last 10 years in a non-chase format. I don't think there would be much of a difference.

And TexasRaider, I disagree with you wholeheartedly about Jimmie Johnson. He's succeeded in every racing format he's ever been in. Watch close, he's that good.(and I'm a Raiders fan and a Texan.)
Chip

Roscoe, IL

#7 Jun 13, 2013
Cale 11 wrote:
It would be interesting to see where drivers would have placed over the last 10 years in a non-chase format. I don't think there would be much of a difference.
And TexasRaider, I disagree with you wholeheartedly about Jimmie Johnson. He's succeeded in every racing format he's ever been in. Watch close, he's that good.(and I'm a Raiders fan and a Texan.)
It would be interesting, luckily this has already been calculated and it only takes a simple google search and TexasRaider has already provided the facts for you. Not sure why you only bothered to read what you wanted to disagree with. I would agree that JJ is a great driver, easily one of the 10 best of all times and a future hall of fame member, however I don't think he deserves 5 titles, that is proven by the calculations.

Edwards and Harvick deserve their titles and Gordon deserves his extra 2.
Cale 11

Colleyville, TX

#8 Jun 13, 2013
Chip wrote:
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It would be interesting, luckily this has already been calculated and it only takes a simple google search and TexasRaider has already provided the facts for you. Not sure why you only bothered to read what you wanted to disagree with. I would agree that JJ is a great driver, easily one of the 10 best of all times and a future hall of fame member, however I don't think he deserves 5 titles, that is proven by the calculations.
Edwards and Harvick deserve their titles and Gordon deserves his extra 2.
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Those aren't the stats I was interested in. We can't take past performances and apply them to a different championship format. It might be fun to try, but its not realistic. Each team customizes their strategies throughout the season based on whatever championship format they're chasing.

My contention is, if NASCAR hadn't implemented the Chase, the results wouldn't have been that different. The teams that did well in the Chase would have altered their strategies and performed well in whatever championship format was in place.

Since: May 12

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#9 Jun 13, 2013
Cale 11 wrote:
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Those aren't the stats I was interested in. We can't take past performances and apply them to a different championship format. It might be fun to try, but its not realistic. Each team customizes their strategies throughout the season based on whatever championship format they're chasing.

My contention is, if NASCAR hadn't implemented the Chase, the results wouldn't have been that different. The teams that did well in the Chase would have altered their strategies and performed well in whatever championship format was in place.
Agree...c knaus deserves equal credit too....
Did adding The Chase improve ratings?

It does add a play-off feel and added excitement. As long as they don't allow fan voting for wildcards, it seems OK.. Nascar may consider adjusting regular season points to somehow not heavily dis-advantage injured drivers such as d Hamlin...maybe fill-in drivers start at the back and points earned go to the injured driver for up to 4 races???

“RaiderNation of Domination”

Since: May 07

Some West Texas County

#10 Jun 18, 2013
Well Cale11 makes a good point that it would affect strategies, but I still think other drivers would've ended up as championships. The year Kevin Harvick would've won, there is no way anybody would've caught him. Plus like Chip said, I do think Edwards deserves the ones he would've won & Gordon deserves the other two he would've won.

Old school format is much better. Some of the other great drivers that I've watched over the years only won 1 or two. Pearson, Yarborough, Lee Petty, & DW are the only 3 time champs under the old format. Terry Labonte is the only two time champion I recognize and then Rusty Wallace, Bill Elliot, Bobby Labonte, Benny Parsons, and Bobby Allison are the inactive one time champions that I remember well. Matt Kenseth won his the old school way despite only 1 victory that year. Kurt Busch only got his because of the chase format & Keslowski would've won his either way.

We could talk about this forever, but it is what it is...
WWE CRASHCAR 2013

Florham Park, NJ

#11 Jun 19, 2013
The Chase is just stupid; it's another one of the things that put the WWE in NASCAR!
Fred

Mesa, AZ

#12 Jun 19, 2013
Horrible wrecks are the only reason I watch NASCAR now. They're the best part.

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#13 Jun 19, 2013
WWE CRASHCAR 2013 wrote:
The Chase is just stupid; it's another one of the things that put the WWE in NASCAR!
So what should have NASCAR done to improve tv ratings?

I would like to see them do a dirt track on a Saturday night...and drop a road coarse and/or cookie cutter race

One of the problems is the lack of perceived action through much of the mid-race....those who know racing know that there is much activity during the race to setup for the final 50/100

The entertainment world has changed and nascar's trying to keep up...I would also use humpy wheeler as a consultant...he was ahead of the crowd in understanding the whole package
Kelly

Rochester, NY

#14 Jun 30, 2013
Jusy_Sayn wrote:
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So what should have NASCAR done to improve tv ratings?
I would like to see them do a dirt track on a Saturday night...and drop a road coarse and/or cookie cutter race
One of the problems is the lack of perceived action through much of the mid-race....those who know racing know that there is much activity during the race to setup for the final 50/100
The entertainment world has changed and nascar's trying to keep up...I would also use humpy wheeler as a consultant...he was ahead of the crowd in understanding the whole package
Shorten the races. Get rid of the chase. Shorten the pre race shows. All one really needs is a total of 2 1/2 -3 hours of racing.......
Bill

Apache Junction, AZ

#15 Jun 30, 2013
Shorten the races and shorten the season. Add a Bigger sense of urgency,
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