Wild finish: Officials give win to Harvick

Marcos Ambrose should have won the race. Robby Gordon insists he did. Outta my way: Robby Gordon runs into the back of race leader Marcos Ambrose during the final laps of the Busch race in Montreal. Full Story
Former IU Student

West Lafayette, IN

#105 Aug 7, 2007
Robby was very right--and very, very wrong. He is correct that the fieid is set when the yellow waves, and Ambrose should have been penalized for knocking him off the track--assuming NASCAR thinks he did so deliberately. But, Robby is very, VERY wrong for retaliating and then ignoring an official's signal; for that he has to be sanctioned.
weegy55

Midland, MI

#106 Aug 7, 2007
NASCAR pulled the most embarrassing fiasco in racing, this weekend in Montreal! Trying to shift the blame to Robby Gordon elevates their height of ignorance to outlandish proportions. Gordon did nothing, but run a clean cut race, until NASCAR screwed up the accident conditions by delaying the yellow flag, not penalizing Ambrose for spinning Gordon under caution, and trying to send Gordon to 13th place! Nothing could have been more obvious in showing their inconsistency in rule interpretation, except when they nterviewed the "higher eschelons" who each gave a different reason for the penalty! NASCAR NEEDS an overhaul of tremendous proportions, beginning with the fact that they make "mistakes" (if that's what you want to believe!}, plus the fact that they couldn't admit that they are wrong, if God came down from heaven and hit them on the head!
NASCAR is totally responsible for the three ring circus which was made of the Busch race, and if anything, they owe Gordon an apology. I applaud Gordon's courage to stand up against a total "miscarriage of justice"!
mike in indy

Antioch, IL

#107 Aug 7, 2007
JUDY MOLL wrote:
ROBBY SHOULD BE SUSPENDED FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR AND MAYBE FOREVER. I HAVE BEEN WONDERING WHY HE HAS NOT GOTTEN FINES FOR EVERYTHING HE PULLS IF IT WERE STEWART OR EARNHARDT DID THIS THEY WOULD BE IN JAIL AND FINED MILLIONS.
What a freaking joke! If it were Earnhardt or Stewart, they would not have been put in 13th place. I guess he needs to apoligize to everyone for not being a fat little redneck like Stewart or not have a southern drawl.

Stewart is the first driver, Jeff Gordon too, to wreck someone to win a race.
Switchblade

Windsor, Canada

#108 Aug 7, 2007
Saw the race and as a Canadian I've found the actions of NASCAR or more likely NASCRAPOLA disgusting. I don't know what they were doing in the control both - maybe had too many "Molson Canadiens" or "Labatt's Blue/Blue Lights", or pina coladas - whatever!!! There was no justification for putting Robby Gordon back in 13th, he should have been 1st or at worst 2nd!!!

Kudos to Robby Gordon for doing what he did as it was the right thing to do. Rules apply to officials as well as drivers and owners. If officials cannot execute the rules they set forth without favoritism or prejudice to any driver or owner, then they should be removed immediately as they have no place being there.

Despite the fact that RG will be under alot of heat but only for a short time as NASCRAPOLA will be roasting for a long time over this mess.
mike

Quincy, MA

#109 Aug 7, 2007
if you knew the rules then you might start making sense. if you do not maintain caution pace you lose the positions. by getting himself spun (i'll have to assume there was a good reason as it was robby gordon after all), he failed to maintain caution pace and loses the positions.

they didn't penalize ambrose and therefore iys not logical to then give robby back his spots.

and by the way, when cup and busch and truck drivers wreck other guys on purpose as they do every week... do they get their positions reinstated? no they don't. they just get in line where they ended up, get pissed and try and get even.

caution spins are unusual, but there is no rule or precedence or logic to giving back positions in the ambrose / gordon situation.

obviously they should have held ambrose for a lap and sent him to end of longest line because he deserved that and also to keep robby from screwing up the rest of the race. and its strange to start a race with a car not in its correct running order, but even with it being robby stewart, i mean gordon, who would have expected the foolishness that followed? after all, why not let him start 2nd instead of 13th, then stop scoring him. that kind of screws him there.

Nascar stinks wrote:
Once again, further proof that Nascar doesn't even understand it's own stupid "rules". If the rule is that the field is fixed when the yellow comes out, then it's fixed. PERIOD!! For anyone paying attention, Nascar has a history of changing "rules" when the situation fits THEM!
Don't blame Robby for this, blame
N-A-S-C-A-R.
Nothing
Ain't
So
Contradictory
As
Rules
mike

Quincy, MA

#110 Aug 7, 2007
a possum taught you your grammer (no i don't use capital letters its too time consuming, as i type alot).

'should of' does not exist in the english language. you should have used another phrase, get it?...'should have?'

i believe that 'should of' derives from lazy speech and folks saying 'should've' as short for 'should have'. try that instead mr. possum.

like...'robby should've had the sense not to mess with nascar'
possum pete wrote:
Ambrose should of won???? What are you smoking, Robby was catching and passing him at will. Robby should of won and did. Nascar has fixed the last 2 races so they can get fans in foriegn markets because the U.S market is in decline. They adjusted the fuels cells at the last race knowing that Montoya's team was getting the best fuel milege(deliberate fixing). This week no explanation is needed, FIXED. Nascar is a joke, the winners are chosen by Nascar, and the proof is overwhelming.
mike

Quincy, MA

#111 Aug 7, 2007
ambrose screwed gordon not nascar.

gordon was supposed to restart 13th and thats all the is to it. drives do not get positions reinstated for any reason. if a driver wrecks another on purpose, or knocks him out of the groove on purpose causing him to lose positions, he may once in a long while be penalized, but the victim does not get his positions back.

never has never will. not under green not under caution. where do you draw the line? driver A punts driver B and sideways driver B wrecks drivers C D E and F. do you want to red flag the race, not count the lap and put everyone back where they started? and what is considered intentional?

robby and all his temporary fans are living in woulda shoulda coulda land... the twilight zone.
mike

Quincy, MA

#112 Aug 7, 2007
all these comments about nascar not following their own rules? which ones? they followed all the relevant rules. even penalizing for rough driving is a judgement call that is usually not employed. imagine if they actually utilized the rule for all rough driving incidents. at the end of the day on cup racedays all you'd have left at the end would be the 01 and 45. and mark would probably find a way to finish second to kyle in points!
mike

Quincy, MA

#113 Aug 7, 2007
kenny wallace has personality. michael waltrip has personality. ken scrader has personality. larda$$ and little robby-wanna-be-tony have behavioral problems.
Jackie wrote:
Nascar officials are very unfair to drivers with a personality like Tony Stewart and Robby Gordon. Nascar likes drivers who are meek lambs. In my mind Robby Gordon won the Bush race at Montreal. from Evansville,IN
mike

Quincy, MA

#114 Aug 7, 2007
no, not really. robby is quite clearly understood i believe. he's a hothead punk who hacks other cars randomly.

oh, you meant that he has talent that has gotten him nowhere in cup? ok, io get it now. i agree
Disgruntled Engineer wrote:
I think Robby Gordon is one of the most mis-understood racecar drivers in the country. I thought he showed a lot of class after being totally screwed by NASCAR.
He can get it done on the dirt and on the pavement. I'm definitely a new Robby Gordon fan....that guy races with PASSION and I freaking love that.
I still can't believe NASCAR's call.
Remember back in the old days- there was a bad call at the finish of one of the Daytona 500s? France asked fans to send in photo proof that their judgment was wrong...someone did, and they reversed the call. Why is this situation different? The caution was out when ambrose punted robby gordon!
mike

Quincy, MA

#115 Aug 7, 2007
MY GOLLY!!! nearly 100 posts and finally the vindication that i have expected. OF COURSE ROBBY GAVE THE OTHER DRIVER A GOOD REASON TO RUN HIM OVER!!!

case freekin closed.
1) hacks his way to the lead
2) passes under caution
3) ignores nascar repeatedly
4) runs over the OFFICIAL race leader
5) makes a joke of the sport with his crybaby celebration

gee i wonder why they parked him for the cup race even though he messed up a busch race?!

oh, and NOPE, i don't watch a single turn of that race. but i still had it right. bunch of punks pulling same stunts every week - predictable.
James wrote:
Ambrose was just giving Gordon a taste of his own medicine after Gordan flat ran over him in the previous turn. He had plenty of time to pass him cleanly if he had the better car. I was just happy to see Marcos return the favor, and then some. Way to stand up for yourself, Marcos.
mike in indy

Milwaukee, WI

#116 Aug 8, 2007
mike wrote:
a possum taught you your grammer (no i don't use capital letters its too time consuming, as i type alot).
'should of' does not exist in the english language. you should have used another phrase, get it?...'should have?'
i believe that 'should of' derives from lazy speech and folks saying 'should've' as short for 'should have'. try that instead mr. possum.
like...'robby should've had the sense not to mess with nascar'
<quoted text>
Good try at the "grammer" lesson. The correct spelling of the word is "grammar". Pretty good effort for the average NASCAR apologist. Kenny Wallace will be sending you a free case of Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread for your effort at defending the cause.

Since: Dec 06

Duluth MN

#117 Aug 8, 2007
You just got to remember- this is the NASCAR Busch Series. Harvick could be in 4th place and NASCAR will find a way get get him in Victory Lane. (They get paid to do that)
JR-SR FAN

Cary, NC

#119 Aug 8, 2007
Robby Gordon is a wimpy, fold-up, would-be bully Puss. A lot of show but no go. If you're going to act like the man, be the man. Don't crumple like a bag of cheap chips. Offering Ambrose a ride this weekend just shows he is a hippocritical PR hound. John Menard is going to get tired of him pissing his money away.
nappy head

Indianapolis, IN

#120 Aug 8, 2007
JR-SR FAN wrote:
Robby Gordon is a wimpy, fold-up, would-be bully Puss. A lot of show but no go. If you're going to act like the man, be the man. Don't crumple like a bag of cheap chips. Offering Ambrose a ride this weekend just shows he is a hippocritical PR hound. John Menard is going to get tired of him pissing his money away.
You think your Dr Suess...but you are really a fag.......Menard sponsored like 10 races this year for him and will not be back next year...yet Robby will continue...I'm sure your up to date newspapers will arrive soon. My opinion that is was a pretty classy act to put Ambrose in a ride.....it's called good business you dinkleberry!
I am Mindy

Scotts Valley, CA

#121 Aug 8, 2007
Chris Knight wrote:
You just got to remember- this is the NASCAR Busch Series. Harvick could be in 4th place and NASCAR will find a way get get him in Victory Lane.(They get paid to do that)
Chris,hey guy,how is the Rebuild/New project going?? Where have you been? What's up? I got your e=mail,did you get mine?? Im wondering because im cleaning up the computer and im not sure if you got my mail or not.Send some new pictures of the Car and the progress,i would like to see how it's coming along.Hope all is well with you and hope that you are having a great summer so far.
ANOTHER AUSSIE

Concord, Australia

#122 Aug 8, 2007
AussieRules wrote:
Look mate, in Australia, Marcos Ambrose had a pretty bad reputation for bumping others out at the end of races. I never seen him do it under a yellow flag, but he is hated for it back home. Even though he is a fellow countryman from down under, he was wrong and should have been put back to last or one lap down. This Aussie thinks Robby Gordon won the race.
WHAT PLANET ARE YOU LIVING ON !!!OBVIOUSLY A HOLDEN FAN .AMBROSE WAS PROBABLY THE MOST LIKED DRIVER IN AUS AND PROBABLY ONLY SECOND TO LOWNDES.

“here's the BEEF”

Since: Mar 07

Indianapolis , In.

#123 Aug 8, 2007
I am Mindy wrote:
<quoted text>Chris,hey guy,how is the Rebuild/New project going?? Where have you been? What's up? I got your e=mail,did you get mine?? Im wondering because im cleaning up the computer and im not sure if you got my mail or not.Send some new pictures of the Car and the progress,i would like to see how it's coming along.Hope all is well with you and hope that you are having a great summer so far.
Hi Mindy , I am Mork from Ork

“here's the BEEF”

Since: Mar 07

Indianapolis , In.

#124 Aug 8, 2007
mike wrote:
if you knew the rules then you might start making sense. if you do not maintain caution pace you lose the positions. by getting himself spun (i'll have to assume there was a good reason as it was robby gordon after all), he failed to maintain caution pace and loses the positions.
they didn't penalize ambrose and therefore iys not logical to then give robby back his spots.
and by the way, when cup and busch and truck drivers wreck other guys on purpose as they do every week... do they get their positions reinstated? no they don't. they just get in line where they ended up, get pissed and try and get even.
caution spins are unusual, but there is no rule or precedence or logic to giving back positions in the ambrose / gordon situation.
obviously they should have held ambrose for a lap and sent him to end of longest line because he deserved that and also to keep robby from screwing up the rest of the race. and its strange to start a race with a car not in its correct running order, but even with it being robby stewart, i mean gordon, who would have expected the foolishness that followed? after all, why not let him start 2nd instead of 13th, then stop scoring him. that kind of screws him there.
<quoted text>
excuse me but your reasoning makes no sense..."he failed to maintain caution pace BY GETTING HIMSELF SPUN?????" Your statement indicates that the caution WAS OUT WHEN HE GOT SPUN! and if that is the case , HE SHOULDN"T HAVE LOST ANY POSITIONS...HOW THE HE** CAN YOU MAINTAIN CAUTION PACE IF SOMEONE SPINS YOU OUT???just asking...it was your statement??
I am Mindy

Scotts Valley, CA

#125 Aug 8, 2007
Hooch80 wrote:
<quoted text>Hi Mindy , I am Mork from Ork
That's nice and mighty wide of ya,lol

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