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#1 Apr 6, 2009
Why are we so worried about poor Gary Jr? Why arent we believing those poor girls? Because he's white? This is disgusting! I think he did show a knife to the girls and threaten them. I think his grandpa was just along for the ride, but why would someone go to a toy store for a soda pop, come back there again, and why would a 40 year old man give teenage girls his name and number? I think Gary Jr. is a sneaky liar, a pervert, and he almost got his poor grandpa killed! I hope they throw the book at that pedophile. And looking at the pictures of him gives me the creeps! I am a Latina too, and this is just another way white people with money can do what they want, and who cares about us brown people! He belongs in jail...
Truth

Plano, TX

#2 Apr 28, 2009
Next time you visit Mexico take a few $100 bills with you...so when the police accuse you of doing something you didn't do you can get out of it. And since your a latina...why don't you go back to Mexico and try to fleece some more Americans by claiming rape or other crap that isn't true. They should close the border and stop anyone from coming over to going over and let Mexico die in it's own filth.
Anna Conda

United States

#3 Apr 29, 2009
Tonight Im going to discuss Bigotry, and Prejudice.
What do YOU know about white Gary Jr? I've been doing my research. I've been to other sites. I've read alot from 2 sides, and his story doesn't jive.
I mean, going to a NOVELTY STORE for a SODA after DENTAL WORK. There are grocery stores everywhere in Los Algadones, and lots of vendors, too! This is like a souvenier shop he when to, for a soda.
How about him giving his real name and phone number to a 13 year old girl? His hand writing, his fingerprints?? To a CHILD!!!
And coming in there TWICE!
Read the stuff out there. Did you know someone out there is claiming that Gary Jr. beat up someone's sister and RAPED her? The stuff I read seamed in very good detail. I've also read he is a meth addict.
But these are Mexican girls, so they must be liars. Do you know how many girls and women are raped in the United States? Alot are silent. Then alot that come foward are simply dismissed, that they "really wanted it" even they said no and got beat up. And are now mentally screwed up forever!
How about this scenario. A white guy does what Gary Jr does in Africa. Sexually harasses a black African girl, and shows a knife. Black people are treated like Mexicans. No respect. Called bad names. How about Haiti? Black. Puerto Rico? Hispanic. That's ok, huh?
But what if it were a black man or Mexican man who did the same thing in Sweden? Oh my God!!!!Arrest that "colored" criminal!!
And you judge me. You assume I'm Mexican because I stood up for the REAL VICTIMS who are KIDS.
What if Im from Argentina? White..Or if I'm from Brazil? Hey, there's alot of French people there. But Im not. Im castillian. Which Im sure you don't know with your obvious ignorance and doubtful skills in anthropology, is SPANIARD! Good ol' Europe!
Just like you white boy, only Im tan which you have to pay for in a booth! Or sunbathe and get skin cancer. Lucky me, I have a tan with no consequences!
Im going to make some prejudiced guesses about you. You're an angry upper class white male. You dont have any friends who aren't white. You are a womanizer who thinks he's God's gift to women, and you may have "issues" with drugs and/or alcohol. I think thats some great guesses about you with never meeting you. Prejudiced guesses! Did that feel good?
And if you want me to leave this country, why don't you go back to your family's country of origin? Unless you're Native American a.k.a. American Indian, you don't belong here either, buddy boy.
Nobody's twisting your arm to go to Mexico. Stay out of there. You don't like it, that's fine, dont go, stay away from Taco Bell too while you're at it.
I am so damn sick of biggots like you who think they know everything, about anything, when in fact they know so very little!
GROW UP!!!
P.S. Another guess is you are a friend or family relation to that sick pervert Gary Jr. who I personally hope he gets the book thrown at him, and makes some boyfriends in that jail!! Lots of boyfriends who dont know what no means in English, or Spanish!(They're the same thing!)
Luis

Bothell, WA

#4 Apr 29, 2009
Anna Conda wrote:
Why are we so worried about poor Gary Jr? Why arent we believing those poor girls? Because he's white? This is disgusting! I think he did show a knife to the girls and threaten them. I think his grandpa was just along for the ride, but why would someone go to a toy store for a soda pop, come back there again, and why would a 40 year old man give teenage girls his name and number? I think Gary Jr. is a sneaky liar, a pervert, and he almost got his poor grandpa killed! I hope they throw the book at that pedophile. And looking at the pictures of him gives me the creeps! I am a Latina too, and this is just another way white people with money can do what they want, and who cares about us brown people! He belongs in jail...
Listen you racist, you are embarrassment to our people. Gary is from my town, and he is innocent of any porno charges. The proof is in the innocent pictures he took, isn't it? This was just another "mordida" shakedown in a criminal country over run with crooked cops and people on the take.
Jack

United States

#5 Apr 30, 2009
No one, including the Mexican authorities, believes that Edward Chrisman was anything but an innocent bystander. That's why they let him go. It took way too long for him to be released, but that's how the Mexican legal system works, slow and creaky.

But why is everyone so quick to decide that the case against Gary Jr. is just a corrupt attempt to stick it to a rich American? The US news reports have been completely biased - nothing has been published here except what Gary Jr.'s family says, and they only know what he told them. It took some searching but I finally found the case as it is being reported in the Mexican media:

1. On 5 Jan 2009, Gary Jr. stopped at a convenience store, "Novedades Jasmine," and snapped headshots of two fully-clothed girls with their permission. He gave them 200 pesos ($25).

2. On 8 Jan 2009, three days later, Gary Jr. returned to the store and offered the girls money in exchange for taking nude photos of them. The girls refused, but he wrote his name and Yuma phone number on a piece of paper and gave it to them in case they changed their minds. Before leaving, he flashed a knife and told the girls not to say anything to anyone about his offer.

3. The owner of the store (and mother of one of the girls) returned soon afterward and found the girls visibly upset. In spite of Gary Jr.'s warning, the girls told the woman what had just happened.

4. The woman called the local police and reported the incident, and gave them the piece of paper with Gary Jr.'s name and Yuma phone number as proof. The police located Gary Jr. with his grandfather and arrested both men.

Shortly after this story broke, a woman in Yuma reported that Gary Jr. was a known meth addict and had attacked her sister several years earlier. Allegedly complaints were made against Gary Jr. to the sheriff's department during the period 2004-2006, but nothing ever came of them.

Is Gary Jr. innocent? I hope he is, but to decide that there's nothing to the case merely because he is an American and the alleged activity occured in Mexico is both racist and stupid.
Anna Conda

United States

#6 Apr 30, 2009
Innocent? Maybe you should investigate your friend a little more. "Truth" More like False Truth is the ranting racist. Dis him, not me!
I am sick of people who think that people with brown skin are "lazy wetbacks" aren't you?!! And when a rich white person does something to anyone hispanic, the the hispanic is "automatically poor and trying to get some easy money".
I've been reading about the other side of the story. Being a female, and a female who knows women who have been raped, I dont think this is funny. It needs to be investigated. Like a handwriting analysis on that paper with his name and number on it, and look for some fingerprints on it. You know. The name and digits given to a 13 year old girl, by a 40 year old man!
Maybe a polygraph given to all involved, maybe some sodium panathol shots ("thuth serum").
As to no pics on the camera, according to whats out there on the web, for you to read, the girls said no, and threw him out, and the mom called the cops.
Im not a racist. I have friends in every color. I just hate perverts, and dope addicts, and violent crazy people, thats all.
Surf the web a little, Luis. The things out there that are saying that maybe your friend isnt such a nice guy afterall......
Luis wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen you racist, you are embarrassment to our people. Gary is from my town, and he is innocent of any porno charges. The proof is in the innocent pictures he took, isn't it? This was just another "mordida" shakedown in a criminal country over run with crooked cops and people on the take.
Anna Conda

United States

#7 Apr 30, 2009
Thank you Jack for your open mind about this, and checking out other sites.
Im glad not everyone here is just assuming Gary is innocent.
Jack

United States

#8 May 1, 2009
(Anna - I live in Riverside County, California, but my ISP shows a different location. If anyone thinks I should be deported, they'd have to send me back to England or France.)

Turns out I was wrong - I did find an unbiased account of this incident on the website of the main Arizona newspaper, "The Arizona Republic," published in Phoenix.

The owner of the store and her daughter are American citizens and live in Yuma, Arizona. So to change the picture a little, an American citizen in Mexico called the local police for help when her daughter was approached by another American for immoral purposes. The police responded and arrested the man - rather than looking for a bribe from a "rich American," the police were providing protection to an American and her daughter.

The grandfather should not have been arrested - no one on either side of the border disagrees on this point. However, it appears that the one primarily responsible for his ordeal is Ed Chrisman's own grandson. Much easier for the family to blame the Mexican police and judicial system for the old man's suffering when, if the grandson is guilty, the fault lies mainly with the grandson for callously putting his grandfather in harm's way.

From "The Arizona Republic" ...

<<In an interview with "The Arizona Republic" last week, the 13-year-old girl's mother offered an entirely different account. The mother, who filed the criminal complaint, said she and her daughter are not greedy or corrupt Mexicans, but U.S. citizens who live in Yuma and filed the police report out of fear.

<<"This is the truth," the girl's mother concluded, her eyes welling. "My daughter is afraid.... And all the lies keep coming" in news stories.

<<The mother's version of the event: The Chrismans first visited on Jan. 5 while her daughter was tending the shop with two other women. The mother said Gary Chrisman entered the store alone and took some normal pictures with permission, then said, "Without clothes, I'll pay more." When the girls refused, the girl's mother said, the visitor displayed a knife and said things would go bad if the girls told anyone. She added that the man wrote his name and phone number on a sheet of paper, telling the girls to call if they had a change of heart.

<<She said her daughter was shaken that day as she told of the incident.

<<On Jan. 8, she said, Chrisman returned and again offered to pay for photos without clothing. "My daughter told him,'No, and get out of here.' "

<<The girl's mother said she arrived in her car as the men were driving away. She followed, calling police on her cellphone.

<<As a businesswoman who relies partly on tourism, she said she has no motive to fabricate such a story. She added that her daughter remains fearful and has been traumatized by media coverage.

<<"They say I'm telling lies, but police have a page with his name and number on it," she added.

<<Accounts of what happened in Los Algodones merge on one important point: Edward Chrisman did not enter the store.

<<The girl's mother said she has no idea why the octogenarian was arrested and does not believe he should be in jail.

Ed Chrisman is home now, with memories of a terrible experience. Our hearts go out to him. But it is interesting that there does not seem to be similar outrage that Gary Jr. remains in jail in Mexico. Perhaps that is where he should be.
Anna Conda

United States

#9 May 1, 2009
I've been reading alot of what's out there. Particularly a blogger called Desert Star's. The one with the sister that Gary, or what his friends call him Jay did to her.
It seems very detailed, and truthful. It's awful that the Yuma Sheriffs Department refused to help that girl, even with the family's determination for them to even question him during 2 years.
I think he has done this to alot of girls, and I am happy someone did something about it.
I dont think he was interested in cultural photos. Being that close to Algadones, as Yuma is (I've been there) that the change isn't that great, except the roads are dirt on the back roads, and there are alot of shops and vendors. Every person under 50 I spoke to spoke perfect English. They have to for the tourists. Algadones is a "tourist trap". I dont think they are lying about this guy. That would hurt business.
I dont want you deported, Jack :-)
I want you right here, telling us what you find.
I travel alot, so I have a different ISP too. They want me to go to Mexico, and that would be fine. Alcapulco looks swell!
Since Im a Spaniard, someone here thought I needed to go back to Mexico. A Mai Tai and a tropical beach, makes me want to pack!
But thy wont tell us their heritage, and unless they're American Indians, they dont belong here either.
I wish this wasn't such a racial mess and that we could all focus on helping those girls.
They said no to the photos, thats why theyre not on the camera.
And if they'd said yes, maybe he would have drugged, kidnapped, beat up, and raped them like he did Desert Star's sister.
Thanks for writing in again, Jack
Jack

United States

#10 May 5, 2009
Anna - you may already know that this story is being discussed on Instablogs. The link is:

http://jacqui.instablogs.com/entry/mexican-ph...

I contacted a member of the news media in the state of Washington who has met the Chrisman family there.(I won't identify the person because our communication was private.) The person was not aware of the full story of the incident in Los Algodones as reported by the "Arizona Republic," and told me that it had been hard to get information at that end.(I believe the person meant that it had been hard to get information from the Chrisman family.) Also, the person indicated that the family appears to have some doubts about Gary Jr.

I believe that Gary Jr.'s third court appearance is scheduled for this Friday, 8 May, in Mexicali. If we can get the results from Mexican news sources, I could pass the report on to the US media.

Desert Jack
Riverside County, California
Anna Conda

United States

#11 May 5, 2009
Hi Jack.
I have been watching that site, and it looks like Gary put a girl thru sheer hell. And Reverend Truth, though his post on instablogs is hard to find, backs up what Desert Star is saying.
It makes me angry! I have known rape victims. The worst was a girl I went to school with.
When she was 5 her cousin raped her, and threatened to kill her if she told anyone. Later when she was 15, her boyfriend's brother, and 2 of his friends raped her.
Her boyfriend dumped her. The police said she asked for it the way she dressed. She didn't dress at all trashy. They would not help, and she tried to kill herself. Luckily she was not successful, and spent some time in a hospital.
I hate how the police dismiss things like this.
Nobody deserves to be raped, except maybe someone who has raped someone themselves to see what it's like.
I'd like to know what happens Friday. And it would be very nice if the media heard what they arent supposed to.
This guy acts like a pig from what I's seeing, and he needs to be punished so he doesnt do it again.
Caffeinated

Downers Grove, IL

#12 May 9, 2009
Anna Conda wrote:
Why are we so worried about poor Gary Jr? Why arent we believing those poor girls? Because he's white? This is disgusting! I think he did show a knife to the girls and threaten them. I think his grandpa was just along for the ride, but why would someone go to a toy store for a soda pop, come back there again, and why would a 40 year old man give teenage girls his name and number? I think Gary Jr. is a sneaky liar, a pervert, and he almost got his poor grandpa killed! I hope they throw the book at that pedophile. And looking at the pictures of him gives me the creeps! I am a Latina too, and this is just another way white people with money can do what they want, and who cares about us brown people! He belongs in jail...
You belong in jail you lying piece of trash. Talk about racist...YOU are the one who keeps bringing it up.

Keep playing the minority card. Those of us who are smart enough, can see through your lies.

You think it is okay starting threads about people?

Maybe someone should start one about you.
Caffeinated

Downers Grove, IL

#13 May 9, 2009
Anna Conda wrote:
Hi Jack.
I have been watching that site, and it looks like Gary put a girl thru sheer hell. And Reverend Truth, though his post on instablogs is hard to find, backs up what Desert Star is saying.
It makes me angry! I have known rape victims. The worst was a girl I went to school with.
When she was 5 her cousin raped her, and threatened to kill her if she told anyone. Later when she was 15, her boyfriend's brother, and 2 of his friends raped her.
Her boyfriend dumped her. The police said she asked for it the way she dressed. She didn't dress at all trashy. They would not help, and she tried to kill herself. Luckily she was not successful, and spent some time in a hospital.
I hate how the police dismiss things like this.
Nobody deserves to be raped, except maybe someone who has raped someone themselves to see what it's like.
I'd like to know what happens Friday. And it would be very nice if the media heard what they arent supposed to.
This guy acts like a pig from what I's seeing, and he needs to be punished so he doesnt do it again.
Truth be known, YOU probably dress like a slut...that is why you are defending it.

So...you are anti-police too, huh? Another hypocritical statement from you.

Hell? What are you talking about? Even if he did ask a girl to take nude phots...which I highly doubt, THAT isn't hell.

Apparently the two women had poor morals anyway accepting money for a picture.

Stop placing blame on this man, when the women are obviously participating.
Caffeinated

Montgomery, IL

#14 May 9, 2009
Luis wrote:
<quoted text>
Listen you racist, you are embarrassment to our people. Gary is from my town, and he is innocent of any porno charges. The proof is in the innocent pictures he took, isn't it? This was just another "mordida" shakedown in a criminal country over run with crooked cops and people on the take.
I completely agree. If you know Gary, will you please contact him and let him know that this woman is smearing his good name?

Let him know that they are using these sights:
http://jacqui.instablogs.com/entry/mexican-ph...

http://www.topix.com/city/yuma-az/2009/03/was...

His attorney may want to take action in this matter.

I am also questioning the so called ages of the so called victims. These women look at LEAST 19 and 35....if not older. I hope his attorney finds out because there are plenty of lies being told.

And...if you notice, a prior "victim" supposedly saw the man using meth. My first question to her is "Why were you there?" Seems to me that these so called victims aren't so innocent after all.

Same with Anna. She supposedly knows MANY rape victims. Why is that? Chances are, these women dress and act like prostitutes.

When they can't get the extra money that they request, they cry rape.

I will never support a criminal in any way, but my guy instinct says that this is a big scam.

PLEASE, PLEASE notify this man of foul play.
Caffeinated

Montgomery, IL

#15 May 9, 2009
Correction: "gut", not "guy".
Caffeinated

Montgomery, IL

#16 May 9, 2009
Potential correction:

It is unclear if the photo of the two women shown in the article were the alleged victims. Seems that there are conflicting reports.

The articles do state however, that all photos in the camera, were tasteful, and NONE of them were pornographic.
Caffeinated

Montgomery, IL

#17 May 9, 2009
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20090124/NEW...

This article is invaluable. Here we have politicians helping these men.

If you read nothing else, read the end of this article. The corruption is so bad in mexico that it is even mentioned here!
Anna Conda

United States

#18 May 9, 2009
To (Meth) Caffeinated and Luis.
First Luis. You're standing up for caffeinated who refers to Mexicans as "cockroaches", and wants "Mexico to die in its filth".
Next, there must not be any bad people in Yuma who need to be in jail.According to you..
Next to Caffeinated.
I have decided this will be my last post on this site, I am not coming back here, not even in curiosity.
You are the most hateful and ignorant biggot I have ever known in my life.
You say Im a slut. That I dress like a slut. That'd be cute. Im overweight and old enough to be your mother. I have counselled alot of teens and young women, that's how I know so many victims, and decided to check out your best friend Gary. I hate what he has done to several victims. Most recently a mom, 2 little teen girls that the 17 year old looks 15-17, and the 13 year old barely looks like she's in pubety! And his Grandpa was his victim too!
Why Im not coming back here:
You have communist viewpoints. We can all say what we want to here without your evil lashings as long as we agree with you, and I certainly dont! Rape and child molestation is WRONG!!!
Let him come sue me for slander. Put him on a lie detector machine.
Ask him:
"Gary, have you ever stolen anything?"
"Have you ever forced yourself on a woman?"
"Have you ever beaten up a woman?"
"Have you ever done drugs?"
"Have you ever came on to anyone under 18 as an adult man?"
"Did you ever drug anyone?"
"Have you ever threatened to kill anyone?"
I cant be sued if Im telling the truth about him!!!!!!!!!!
I think he's a personal friend of yours, and I really hope that is the case, you deserve him!
For me being a racist???
Yes, I hate the entire race of rapists and pedophiles, Every one of them,should be turned into eunichs. Their entire package should be cut off, and stuffed down their throats!
I hate women who rape (Like little boys). I hate men who rape. All people who rape, I hate every one of them!!!
I think you are a racist. I wish you'd go to the South Side of Chicago, and put on your white sheet robe, and your matching tall white pointy hat with 2 eye holes in it, and carry your flaming torch, and yell real loud that "Mexicans are cockroaches, and their little girls deserve to have 40 year old men threaten them".
Better yet, when Gary gets out of jail,invite him to come live with you.
Maybe he will rape you and beat you up like he did to that other girl!
I hope someone does that to you with all my heart Caffeinated. Nobody deserves it more than you! Maybe you'd learn what it's like, and that would shut your lying nasty mouth!
Yeah lies. You said there was nothing bad about him on the web, now you say there is. Make up your mind and keep your lies straight!
Good Bye, good luck, and good riddance!
Caffeinated

Elk Grove Village, IL

#19 May 10, 2009
Don't let the door hit you Anna.

The way that you misquote people, you may actually have more than one lawsuit on your hands....as I would like to note that you took my quotes out of context as well. The next time, copy and past my ENTIRE quote...not YOUR version of it.

You talk complete nonsense, and continue to make false accusations about several of us. That is just another way that I know YOU are lying. You are so off base about everything. Hysterical, really.

You are leaving because you are a slanderous imbecile, and I have called you out on it.

That is okay though, because Mr Chrisman can get a court order for Topix to disclose your true identity, and I encourage him to do so.

You owe this gentleman an apology. I suggest you do it promptly.
Caffeinated

Elk Grove Village, IL

#20 May 10, 2009
And don't worry, because the Chrisman's have the other websites as well. I appreciate all of the evidence that you have provided. Talk about digging yourself a hole (eye roll)

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