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Protestors Demand Recount In Mexican Election

There are 28 comments on the Kutv.com story from Jul 16, 2006, titled Protestors Demand Recount In Mexican Election. In it, Kutv.com reports that:

Hundreds of thousands of protesters marched through the Mexican capital on Sunday to demand a manual recount in the disputed presidential election, led by a leftist candidate who says fraud cost him the ...

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In Too Deep

San Antonio, TX

#1 Jul 16, 2006
I would say the Mexican left was following Al Gore and the Democrats lead, but this is an OLD tactic of the left. Viva La Revoltion!!!
Oversight

Austin, TX

#2 Jul 16, 2006
Never admit defeat, and NEVER acknowledge that the fathers and godfathers of your Ideology are psychotic mass murderers...Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Pol Pot, and on and on it goes.
rocky mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#3 Jul 16, 2006
The people are hard pressed for leadership that will help their country and improve the quality of life. Certainly Fox did not do that. It is correct that the ideologues were less than one would hope for.
Democracy may not work for everyone, aren't we seeing that in Iraq?
Oversight

Midland, TX

#4 Jul 16, 2006
rocky mountain wrote:
The people are hard pressed for leadership that will help their country and improve the quality of life. Certainly Fox did not do that. It is correct that the ideologues were less than one would hope for.
Democracy may not work for everyone, aren't we seeing that in Iraq?
Really, well, more change has occurred in the last 20 years than ever occurred under the super-corrupt leftist PRI (Institutional Revolutionary Party), which was finally dislodged from the national scene in the 1980's.

I suspect you will try to claim the PRI is not a true representation of the left, but The The PRI gained enormous prestige in the '30s when it nationalized the Mexican oil industry. And during the Cold War, Mexico kept its distance from US foreign policy -- maintaining friendly relations with Castro's Cuba, for instance.

Yep, the people of Mexico just need more socialism to bring them benefits like this:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/15/nat...
Man With Child Porn Charge Extradited - Also Wanted On Statutory Rape Charges, Extradited From U.S. To Mexico

"U.S. authorities extradited a Mexican businessman with alleged ties to associates of a powerful state governor to his homeland late Saturday. There have been calls to remove Puebla Gov. Mario Marin from office, but the only authority with the power to do so is Puebla's legislature - which is dominated by allies from the governor's INSTITUTIONAL REVOLUTIONARY PARTY. The case became a national sensation in February, with the release of audio tapes apparently featuring and the Puebla businessman plotting to jail Lydia Cacho, a journalist. Cacho has since accused Marin and other top state officials of abuse of power, attempted rape, influence peddling and violating her human rights..."

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been" - Winston Churchill
Oversight

Midland, TX

#5 Jul 16, 2006
to be clear, the last paragraph is clearly not a part of the story. I should have drawn a line between them.

There is no perfect system. The people have to want freedom, but the more they taste it, the more they see that it is the best of the imperfect choices of this world.

Unfortuntely people like "rocky mountain" are not willing to pay the price of patience and persistance. Rome was not built ina day.
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"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been" - Winston Churchill
rocky mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#6 Jul 16, 2006
Patience is not an issue for I do not live under inhumane circumstances. My point is that the people of Mexico deserve, food, water, housing, health care, education and jobs. Historically and presently that has not come to them. Naturally the form of government that they select is entirely up to them.
Thanks for showing that I agree with that great statesman Winston Churchill
The Black Knight

Round Rock, TX

#7 Jul 16, 2006
rocky mountain wrote:
Patience is not an issue for I do not live under inhumane circumstances. My point is that the people of Mexico deserve, food, water, housing, health care, education and jobs. Historically and presently that has not come to them. Naturally the form of government that they select is entirely up to them.
Thanks for showing that I agree with that great statesman Winston Churchill
Do you agree with Churchill? Or do you know of some NEW system that has not been tried yet? Churchill's statement was to say there is no perfect system and democracy is as good as it gets.

I agree the people of Mexico deserve "food, water, housing, health care, education and jobs" and every time we take the pressure off of their leaders - by accepting 10-12 million of their people who come here illegaly for instance - we prolong the suffering of the majority in Mexico. Mexicans sending money back home is that nation's biggest industry after petroleum.

Mexico has all the resources it needs to be a first world nation. It was been hobbled by a leftist monopoly which institutionalized corruption for over 50 years. It is slowly, but surely, crawling out of that. The last thing it needs is liberal thinking in America impeding that process. Assuming you support letting the present illegals stay in America, I point out this has been tried 3 or 4 times in the last 20 years and has not helped yet...

If you still think Democracy is not the best choice, see also: Death by Covernment at
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM

Perhaps some mind-blowing facts will help.

PS - I prefer the Republic this nation was established as, but a Democracy will have to do.
Oversight

Round Rock, TX

#8 Jul 16, 2006
PSS- the amount of money Mexican's send back home from America is 20 BILLION dollars a year...
rocky mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#9 Jul 16, 2006
My political leanings would be no mystery to those who know me. I visit Mexico often with a group of men, called to the Catholic priesthood. The way the people are forced to live is a sin of great proportion. What idealogy will change that I am not sure.
My views on immegration are in flux as a Roman Catholic and a tax payer. Having said that I have no problem denouncing the state the majority of Mexicans live under. I think Winny was a little tongue and cheek. I don't advocate liberal/conservative America forcing our form of government on another country. I do feel like there are proactive things we could be doing to help their plight.
Oversight

Austin, TX

#10 Jul 16, 2006
Being a student of many things, with all due respect, it could easily be argued that Catholicism has been part of the problem in Latin America. From enocuraging unrestrained reproduction to Mary Knolls liberation theology, the few hundred years since it was introduced certainly doen't have much to show.

In my view, Jesus' teaching about removing the log from one's own eye rather than worrying about the speck in your neighbors eye is one of many that show true change comes from the inside out - not the outside in.

Unfortunately, the predominant teaching has been that institutions can change the world...a dangerous deception, I think. There is a place for eveything, but in the end it is between the individual and God.

Then again, from my perspective, the Jews big mistake was thinking Jesus was here to setup his Kingdom on earth. I often think we are still trying to save the WORLD for God...as if he needs man to do that for him.
Oversight

Austin, TX

#11 Jul 16, 2006
PS - "My political leanings would be no mystery to those who know me." is a cryptic deflection, eh?
Don

United States

#12 Jul 16, 2006
Oversight----Thanks for being able to post how I feel. I could not have said it better.
Minnesota Mary

Mankato, MN

#13 Jul 16, 2006
Oversight wrote:
Being a student of many things, with all due respect, it could easily be argued that Catholicism has been part of the problem in Latin America. From enocuraging unrestrained reproduction to Mary Knolls liberation theology, the few hundred years since it was introduced certainly doen't have much to show.
In my view, Jesus' teaching about removing the log from one's own eye rather than worrying about the speck in your neighbors eye is one of many that show true change comes from the inside out - not the outside in.
Unfortunately, the predominant teaching has been that institutions can change the world...a dangerous deception, I think. There is a place for eveything, but in the end it is between the individual and God.
Then again, from my perspective, the Jews big mistake was thinking Jesus was here to setup his Kingdom on earth. I often think we are still trying to save the WORLD for God...as if he needs man to do that for him.
Oversight, I agree with most of what you are saying on this thread, but I must take issue with you when you say that the Catholic Church encourages unrestrained reproduction. The Catholic Church promotes chastity before marriage and Natural Family Planning after marriage. I have a daughter-in-law from a Latin American country, and I can tell you that the Catholic Church's education of the people south of our border has been dreadful. Too many missionaries as well as home grown clergy have been promoting Marxist Liberation Theology instead of Catholic Catechesis. These people know very little about the Catholic Church. Morality is not taught nor are the teachings of the Church, the Ten Commandments, Sacraments etc. Fornication and adultery are the norm, and the results are lots of babies and poverty. It is no wonder that Protestant Evangelicals see Mexicans and other Latin Americans as needing missionaries. MM
Oversight

Midland, TX

#14 Jul 17, 2006
Minnesota Mary wrote:
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Oversight, I agree with most of what you are saying on this thread, but I must take issue with you when you say that the Catholic Church encourages unrestrained reproduction. The Catholic Church promotes chastity before marriage and Natural Family Planning after marriage.
I was speaking historically. I should have made it clear I was talking about traditional large families.

Whereas they always promoted chastity before marriage, in the old days large any and all shildren were pretty much considered gifts from God.

Natural Family Planning is pretty much a modern day approach. Male withdrawal was about the extent of it in the old, uneducated days.
Oversight

Midland, TX

#15 Jul 17, 2006
Don wrote:
Oversight----Thanks for being able to post how I feel. I could not have said it better.
Quite a compliment - thank you.
Minnesota Mary

Mankato, MN

#16 Jul 17, 2006
Oversight wrote:
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I was speaking historically. I should have made it clear I was talking about traditional large families.
Whereas they always promoted chastity before marriage, in the old days large any and all shildren were pretty much considered gifts from God.
Natural Family Planning is pretty much a modern day approach. Male withdrawal was about the extent of it in the old, uneducated days.
"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." I think we are seeing the results of abortion and contraception throughout the world. The Muslims don't abort or contracept, and they are taking over Europe where the "Catholics" and other "Christians" have been practicing abortion and contraception for years and now cannot sustain their old population without importing Muslim workers. In our country we have been doing the same thing, reducing our population, and now we are being invaded by populations south of the border. Read Pat Buchanan's book, "Death of the West." The statistics are very shocking. God said, "Be fruitful and multiply." It appears to me that we are going to reap the whirlwind for what we have sown. MM
Oversight

Austin, TX

#17 Jul 17, 2006
Minnesota Mary wrote:
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"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world." I think we are seeing the results of abortion and contraception throughout the world. The Muslims don't abort or contracept, and they are taking over Europe where the "Catholics" and other "Christians" have been practicing abortion and contraception for years and now cannot sustain their old population without importing Muslim workers. In our country we have been doing the same thing, reducing our population, and now we are being invaded by populations south of the border. Read Pat Buchanan's book, "Death of the West." The statistics are very shocking. God said, "Be fruitful and multiply." It appears to me that we are going to reap the whirlwind for what we have sown. MM
"The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world."...I assume you are talking about God, to which I agree. Therefore I, personally, am not concerned about who has the largest population. The Bible has many examples of God prefering the lesser, smaller - underdog, if you will - and it is not this fleeting passing world's problems Christians should be focused on anyway.

(Note I make a distinction between this world and the individuals I encounter in it. I do believe each individual encounter is important, particualrly to those who profess to be Christians - i.e. allowing Christ to change their nature to his.)

I am not pro-abortion, but I often feel too many pro-lifers inadvertently worship life over God. This is a deep subject that would require me to dig and write much more than this forum is intended for. In the end, however, I am comfortable with the knowledge that the aborted innocents have a direct ticket to the presence of the Lord...and, since God gave humans freewill, I am comfortable with leaving a woman's decision to abort between her and God.
Oversight

Austin, TX

#18 Jul 17, 2006
PS - I also believe in Quality over Quantity. I don't see the love in having more children than can be reasonably supported, which was the case in Mexico and other 3rd world countries...and often still is.

God gave man the ability to reason. If we were intended to just multiply without thought of the consequences...well, he already made Dogs, Cats, Rabbits and all manner of creatures that do that. Indeed, Deer, Kangaroos, etc. often seem to be taking over the animal world like the Muslims you are concerned about. But as my Mom says "God is in charge and all is well."

I don't mean to beat up on you. I have enjoyed the exchange of ideas and wish you the best.
Minnesota Mary

Mankato, MN

#19 Jul 17, 2006
Oversight wrote:
PS - I also believe in Quality over Quantity. I don't see the love in having more children than can be reasonably supported, which was the case in Mexico and other 3rd world countries...and often still is.
God gave man the ability to reason. If we were intended to just multiply without thought of the consequences...well, he already made Dogs, Cats, Rabbits and all manner of creatures that do that. Indeed, Deer, Kangaroos, etc. often seem to be taking over the animal world like the Muslims you are concerned about. But as my Mom says "God is in charge and all is well."
I don't mean to beat up on you. I have enjoyed the exchange of ideas and wish you the best.
Oversight, I appreciate your polite comments. By the saying, "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the world," I believe it is meant that those (countries) who have the most babies have the most power. Think about it. Why are we having so much trouble in the middle east? Why did we lose the war in Viet Nam? In Viet Nam new Communist recruits kept coming down the Ho Chi Minh trail to fight us. We didn't have the population that the Communists did to continue the war. The same thing is happening in Iraq and the middle east. Israel has only a population of 6 million. The Muslims far outnumber the Jews. You can drop all the bombs you want, but when it comes to occupying a country you need people...lots of people. Have a good evening. MM
rocky mountain

Fort Collins, CO

#20 Jul 17, 2006
The people of Mexico do not abort nor do they use contraceptives; they are over populated and are powerless.

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