Mexican cartel battle shifts

Mexican cartel battle shifts

There are 36 comments on the El Paso Times story from Jun 23, 2009, titled Mexican cartel battle shifts. In it, El Paso Times reports that:

Drug dealers in Mexico are finding it harder to get their products into the United States, so they are increasingly fighting for turf in Juarez and other cities, an expert said Monday.

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need real answers

San Jose, CA

#1 Jun 23, 2009
How long can this go on? I guess not much more can be done than the ol wait and see. This explains alot about why the violence is now spilling over into tourist areas. Poor Mexico, I hope they survive all this and come out the better for it.
Homeland INsecurity


#2 Jun 23, 2009
The unfinished fencing in El Paso and Hudspeth county is testimony to the growing menace of smuggling.

The increasing confrontations between trespassers and property owners is on the rise, encounters of 10 per week are now happening.

Whaty needs to happen before the government realizes the leaky bucket holds no water?
Homeland INsecurity


#3 Jun 23, 2009
Shooting suspect was an
MS-13 member
Updated: Monday, 22 Jun 2009, 8:48 PM MDT
Published : Monday, 22 Jun 2009, 8:47 PM MDT

Reporter: Dave Bohman
Web Producer: Devon Armijo
ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE)- Albuquerque Police said one of the two captured murder suspects in Saturday's shooting at a local Denny's belongs to the violent MS-13 Gang.

Up to 10,000 people across the country belong to the MS-13 Gang, according to the FBI. The FBI labels the group as exceedingly violent.

Albuquerque Police confirmed that suspect Pablo Ortiz is a member of the national gang, and are probing suspect Marvin Aguilar-Lopez to see if he's connected as well.

"We have not had a confirmation yet, but if he hangs out with him, if he associates with him, we can probably assume he has some kind of affiliation with them as well," Albuquerque Police Department Officer Nadine Hamby said.

When police arrested Ortiz, they noticed the digits "503" were shaved into the back of his scalp. 503 is the country code for El Salvador.

The FBI claims that gang members identify themselves through 503 or gang tattoos on their chest.

The gang was formed in Los Angeles by refugees who fled El Salvador, after a brutal Civil War in the early 1980s.

Membership is believed to be growing in Southern California and urban areas in the northeastern U.S.

A former Bernalillo County Sheriff's Deputy with knowledge of gang activity said MS-13 might target Albuquerque.

"MS-13 specializes in drug transportation, human trafficking, and smuggling in the Mexican-Rio Grande Corridor," Robb Hamic said.

However, sources with the local FBI and the Bernalillo County Sheriff's Office claim that MS-13 is not organized in the metropolitan area, and has very few members.

Police said they don't consider this weekend's shooting gang related.

"They committed a heinous crime. And the fact that they killed someone while they were committing that crime, I think that's more important than what gang affiliation they have," Hamby said.

Police said they believe that Aguilar-Lopez and Ortiz were involved in several other armed robberies in the past five weeks.

The FBI said MS-13 members recruit Hispanic men by using the internet to glorify gang lifestyles

El Paso, TX

#6 Jun 23, 2009
Viva Mexico.
Woo Cartels!

El Paso, TX

#7 Jun 23, 2009
Dam(n) I need a joint
Its me

Fresno, CA

#8 Jun 23, 2009
G-d bless all Good Men and Women soldiers that fight for what's Right and Correct.
It saddens me to think that whether its Mexicans fighting for a Better Mexico or Americans fighting to keep us Free. Soldiers are always cast as the villians....when more often than not, they are the HEROES.
G-d bless the Good people of the world.
Di-s los bendiga
Its me

Fresno, CA

#9 Jun 23, 2009
On a sidebar, why does Amnesty International and all these other anti-war groups ever shout for the rights of the common-man that WORKS HONORABLY every make a Good life for his family. Criminals rights are protected...and cried over by these anti-war groups...but what about the victims.

WHy dont these anti-war groups cry about the VICTIMS..about the Mexican populace that has to endure this crap...What about the Victims RIGHTS??

What about the thousands kidnapped and the families devestated by drugs...

do they really think that criminals care about OUR Rights?

G-d bless soldiers
El Chorizo Vengador

Virginia Beach, VA

#11 Jun 23, 2009
And this story would like to leads us to believe all is well on this side of the border. No more drugs coming in...Rigghhtt. Keep drinking the kool-aid. The drugs are flowing just like they were before. Go to any teenager in your town and ask if they are having problems getting their marihuana and see what they tell you. The government controlled media prints what the government wants you to read not what really is going on. Wake up people!
Mister D Elpaso Tx

El Paso, TX

#12 Jun 23, 2009
Same old crap in Juarez. When a older player gets retired they just bring up one from the minor leagues. To be real honest I pray to GOD this crazy stuff ends very soon. And remains ENDED !!
need real answers

San Jose, CA

#13 Jun 23, 2009
I am waiting for the day when Juarez looks like Iran, it will take the people of Juarez to put an end to this. Aren't MS 13's in bed with Los Zetas?

United States

#14 Jun 23, 2009
As long as there is a demand there will be a supply. There is no end to drugs coming over into the U.S. as long as we have corrupt people on both sides of the border.
el richi boy

Moulton, TX

#15 Jun 23, 2009
Though usually I find Dr. Campbell's analyses right on, I have to disagree with his conclusions in this case.
It's unlikely that the sicarios know whose cocaine the street level dealers are selling. The street level dealers don't even know. And someone else will step in to fill the need, so murdering the retailers is no solution.
I'm afraid the real answer is more sinister


#16 Jun 23, 2009
In 1980 the Bogota cartel controled cocaine smuggling into the US. The price for a kilo of cocaine in Chicago was $60,000.00.

The Medellin cartel took over and flooded the market. Today the price of a kilo of cocaine is $20,000.00 in Chicago.

But for the underground economy funded by narco profits Mexico could face great social unrest due to rampant poverty.

From the cop on the beat to the lawyers, prosecutors and judges to the used car sales man to the grocer -- we all make money of narcotics. We all either make a living trying to stop narcotics or legitimately moving the money the narcotics trade produces.

El Paso wouldn't be on the map but for the underground economy generated by the narcotics trade.

Just the facts folks!

Las Cruces, NM

#18 Jun 24, 2009
I believe thay are targeting Americans. Why are they not more alerts to this possiblity.

United States

#20 Jun 24, 2009
"the price for a pure gram of cocaine increased 89 percent, from $96.61 to $182.73 "

Woohoo! It's working. More profits!

Pullman, WA

#21 Jun 24, 2009
Unfortunately the Federal Government continues to dismiss the problems along our border. Moreover, they don't even really care what happens in the towns along the border. The states are left to protect their citizens, without any meaningful federal aid. Sure, there is lots of press. That's just smoke and mirrors. Until you see "boots on the ground", don't believe anything is really happening.

Pullman, WA

#22 Jun 24, 2009
Homeland INsecurity wrote:
The unfinished fencing in El Paso and Hudspeth county is testimony to the growing menace of smuggling.
The increasing confrontations between trespassers and property owners is on the rise, encounters of 10 per week are now happening.
Whaty needs to happen before the government realizes the leaky bucket holds no water?
Your absolutely correct. The feds don't give a darn about what happens along the border. The border czar is a joke, right along with the drug czar. The first responsibility of the fed government is to protect the citizens. It ain't happening.
Just asking

Woodbridge, VA

#24 Jun 24, 2009
Aren't the railroads, trucking companies, airlines, and yachts and fishing vessels taking up the slack regaring smuggling into and out of the US?

Aren't Union Pacific and sister railroad corp still importing illgal stuff and illegals into the US?

Are you aware of how many of your mushroooms and other food products are imported into the US intermingled with
God knows who and what?

Thanks to all of those who do not use drugs or do not support these dangerous criminals and their lifestyles.

And thanks to those who stop them!
Well Duh

Knox City, TX

#25 Jun 25, 2009
The lowest street-level criminals on the streets of Juarez and El Paso know more about what is happening along the border than the UTEP eggheads who "study" the probem in libraries and on the Internet. We're not dealing with an esoteric puzzle in the drug war. The participants' motives and methods are blatant and totally transparent. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that cartel turf near the border is more valuable to drug traffickers than turf in the interior of Mexico.

Since: Aug 08

Winter Garden, FL

#27 Jun 25, 2009
need real answers wrote:
I am waiting for the day when Juarez looks like Iran, it will take the people of Juarez to put an end to this. Aren't MS 13's in bed with Los Zetas?
Dont compared the Zetas to the MS-13, some lame street gang with a professional hitsquad. Those gangs are small time compare to the Cartels. The Mexican "real Mexicans" Cartels are more organize and violent than those cholos the Mexican Mafia, MS-13, Mara, and ect in the USA. Gunfights in Mexico make drive bys in the USA look like a walk in the park.

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