Fans or gang? Meet the Juggalos

Fans or gang? Meet the Juggalos

There are 910 comments on the East Valley Tribune story from Jul 28, 2008, titled Fans or gang? Meet the Juggalos. In it, East Valley Tribune reports that:

Derek Sprunk feels a special kinship when he paints black and white clown makeup into a wicked smile on his face.

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candylandpimp

Salt Lake City, UT

#23 Sep 10, 2008
im almost sick of calling myself a juggalo because of people being crazy and stupid my homie was killed by a juggalo because he thought he was a blood because he had all red on and he didn't see juggalo in white on his shirt. he thought he was part of a gang. being a juggalo isn't what it used to be people don't know what it means to be a juggalo anymore

“EmmybodyKilla”

Since: Sep 08

Louisville, KY

#24 Sep 11, 2008
juggalos are dumb wrote:
they way "juggalos are down where i live they run it has a gang jumping people so technically u guys are....as bad has any other gangs out there u guys just dont see it
What?

“EmmybodyKilla”

Since: Sep 08

Louisville, KY

#25 Sep 11, 2008
Marine Cowboy wrote:
What a bunch of a**holes they paint their face and listen to stupid music and then wonder why other see them as a gang. Grow up find your real family get a job then folks will leave you morons alone. And to answer the question yes you are a gang D*ck head!!!!
You're so ignorant, it is unbelievable. I do know my biological family. I am very close with with AS WELL AS my Juggalo family. You just don't get it. Don't come back me and tell me to get a job, when I am busting my ass working HARD for this government.

So if that fact that I have a job, and don't paint my face on a daily basis means that I will not be fucked with anymore... it should have happened years ago.

Jesus, you're ignorant. You don't know what's terrible.

“EmmybodyKilla”

Since: Sep 08

Louisville, KY

#26 Sep 11, 2008
come AT me***

“EmmybodyKilla”

Since: Sep 08

Louisville, KY

#27 Sep 11, 2008
Juggalo Cop wrote:
<quoted text>
#1. Not all Juggalos paint their faces up
#2. Stupid music? That's your opnion.
#3. "Get a real family." We all do have real families which we love very much. Family doesn't have to be related.
#4. "Get a real job" Not all Juggalos are bums. I for one have a very important, and high paying job. I've talked to other ninjas who are in the same boat as me.
=D
skooby

AOL

#28 Sep 11, 2008
We los and lettes are one big family... some of us dont have "real" family to lean on and all of our psychopathic family is out there for us to have someone to love... and yes if i saw a complete stranger thats a juggalo getting jumped id help... it has nothing to with a gang... thats not JUST gang attitude... to the guy that said this is gang attitude your full of shit.... if you saw your dad, mom, sister, brother, etc... getting jumped would you not help?... theres my point... some peope see that as gang mentality... we see it as protecting and taking up for our family... but the point is this... go to wikipedia and you can read exactly whats being said.... shaggy himself says that juggalo is a state of mind... you dont have to listen to any underground shit... you dont have to paint your face... all you have to do is love your family... but id like to say to marine cowboy.... FUCK YOU!!!... you say psychopathic is stupid?... maybe you shoudl take the time to listen... it might not sound very amture but if you pay attention there is real and important messages in these songs... not just jumpin around like a fuckin idiot rappin about money cars and women.... you see material objects... we los and lettes see family, love, and unity... so get your shit right before you run your mouth
old worn out banger

AOL

#29 Sep 13, 2008
As a very old (64) gang member from the 1950's and in those days we were known as "good kids".LOL I apreciate all of your comments and varied opinions.
As a volunteer trying to start a gang intervention program in my small town in California, I understand the Juggalo principle, and many of you have mixed and unsure feelings and many different attitudes. Your "gang" mentality with the name Juggalos associated with it is considered as a society here because the known members haven't gotten any arrests or bad raps for intimidation or violence. The police department here has been cautioned that the Juggalo divisions in the bigger cities are< indeed street gangs, and very violent, lest they be thumped and controlled by the bangers turf they're trying to use or claim.
If you claim to be such a large and loving family, why the different reputations and demeanor depending on the city and population? Of course you're going to be non-violent and passive in a small town where everyone knows one another. But yet,in the big city, the established gangs aren't going to let you even walk on their turf without retaliation.
Each and everyone of you needs to assess your situation and really ask yourself: Is this what I really want for a family and my life? Only the weak, ignorant and stupid fall for thigame of cults and gangs. God bless each and everyone of you and peace out.
JUGGALO FAM 4 LIFE

AOL

#30 Sep 14, 2008
juggalos are family they are not a gang take some time a learn about us b4 u judge us if u give juggalos a bad name ur not a juggalo ur a juggahoe we are who we are and we are 1 big family people are afraid of anyting different thats the reason they call us a gang MMFWCL WHOOP WHOOP
Ninja

Colorado Springs, CO

#31 Sep 15, 2008
we r family mother fackos
Midwest Juggalo Menace

United States

#33 Sep 16, 2008
Family....hmm. Like most of what was said, most of us dont have family that we can rely on. My juggalo family is my family and all six of my "brothers" are family that I had met through the juggalo fam. F*ck tha hatas if they dont wanna be down. F*ck outta here if you aint down wit tha clown.

“EmmybodyKilla”

Since: Sep 08

Louisville, KY

#34 Sep 16, 2008
old worn out banger wrote:
As a very old (64) gang member from the 1950's and in those days we were known as "good kids".LOL I apreciate all of your comments and varied opinions.
As a volunteer trying to start a gang intervention program in my small town in California, I understand the Juggalo principle, and many of you have mixed and unsure feelings and many different attitudes. Your "gang" mentality with the name Juggalos associated with it is considered as a society here because the known members haven't gotten any arrests or bad raps for intimidation or violence. The police department here has been cautioned that the Juggalo divisions in the bigger cities are< indeed street gangs, and very violent, lest they be thumped and controlled by the bangers turf they're trying to use or claim.
If you claim to be such a large and loving family, why the different reputations and demeanor depending on the city and population? Of course you're going to be non-violent and passive in a small town where everyone knows one another. But yet,in the big city, the established gangs aren't going to let you even walk on their turf without retaliation.
Each and everyone of you needs to assess your situation and really ask yourself: Is this what I really want for a family and my life? Only the weak, ignorant and stupid fall for thigame of cults and gangs. God bless each and everyone of you and peace out.
I see what you are saying, but I live in Louisville Kentucky and before that I lived in Orange County California. Both very large areas ... and neither have a "Juggalo Gang" problem. I work for a major army contractor, i pay my bills, i work hard, I play hard, and I just want to listen to music, go to concerts, and be with my fam. That's all. If you can look at me, and tell me I'm a gang member... you are sorely mistaken.
troy luginbill

West Mifflin, PA

#35 Sep 17, 2008
The crips call themselves a family, so do the bloods, so do the Latin Kings, Hells Angels, and the same with the KKK. The brown shirts also called themselves a family. Then again so does the mafia.

They all banded together because they felt they were outcasts of society and were paying in pain for others pleasure and profit. All of them adopted the same attitude, hurt those that would hurt them before they could attack. The lists of who needs to be beat down start to be made and grow. The problem with a family/gang isn't the family, it is that the fathers and mothers begin to require obedience within the family. They develop faith sets, morality and virtues and woe be to anyone in or out of the "family". Reprisals against those who step out of line will begin. Then reprisals for actions not yet taken occur. "we know you will commit a crime against us so we are stopping it now."

If you really want to grow, discover your dark carnival, meet all the family in shagri-la then you will not listen to what your family tells you is right. You will question and determine and take your own responsibility for determining what is right. And you will not need your family. You will know them not by their signs, shirts, tattos but by their actions. Then you will find out how to love your family. You can't love what you need because of the fear of betrayal. That is where faith falls and belief begins. Want is your creation and thus more powerful than need because you are its parent, it comes from you. Need is something someone else inflicts upon you in an effort to control you. Until you reach this level you are not a family, you are a gang.

You will know you are a gang member if you just added my name to the list for reprisal. You will know you are a family member if you see me on the street and say hey hows it going? knowing that I am not a fan of ICP.
sam

Herriman, UT

#36 Sep 19, 2008
you all are lost,from what i have read on this page no one here is a juggalo! If you listen to the 6 jokers cards,they talk about all people from all walks of life and if you know anything about the 6 joker cards you would know that the last song on the 6th jokers card talks about all juggalos needing to find god or that peace inside them selves!!! its not a gang, its a family of people from different walks of life trying to help each other make it through this life and find that peace and joy that everyone is looking for in this life!!!!! juggalo for life,yall better recignize
sam

United States

#37 Sep 19, 2008
The carnival of carnegie,The ringmaster,The riddle box,The great milenko,the amazing jeckel brothers,The wraith and also the dark lotus, buy them,listen learn!!!!!!!!!

“EmmybodyKilla”

Since: Sep 08

Louisville, KY

#38 Sep 19, 2008
Hi Troy.

There is a BIG difference between us and street gangs.

You don't know ANYTHING about the Hell's Angels, so you should keep that name out of your mouth. My family has been bikers for YEARS, AND I'm a Juggalo. I am not MEAN to people who are not like me, I do not commit crimes against people who do not like ICP. I have plenty of friends who are NOT Juggalos. We don't hate everyone who isn't a Juggalo, you are very mistaken.

The difference between us and street gangs such as a bloods is that, we as a group, do not go around and commit crimes and condone the actions of others who do. If you read these comments you would see that Juggalos are saying that other Juggalos that commit these crimes do not represent what we believe. They DO NOT represent me, or what I am about.

I work for a major Army contractor, I am a site admin. and I also run field ops and training for many army sites across the WORLD.

DO NOT tell me I'm a bad person because I respect Joe and Joey, because I like scary music, or because I like to paint my face and go to concerts. That's just ridiculous.

Please stop comparing us to street gangs, we are not violent people. I am not a mean person... and if you ever met me, you shouldn't judge people. I don't judge you, don't judge me ... it's not your place nor is it mine.

I feel bad for people like you, because I would never look at someone and be like, "OH FUCK THEM! THEY DO THIS.. OR THEY DO THAT" ... That isn't my style.

I'll stand by this. I love my family. Every single Juggalo is in my heart, and if they EVER needed anything... I would be there for them. Mean people suck, and maybe you should evaluate yourself before you evaluate others.

have a great day.

EmmybodyKilla
sam

United States

#39 Sep 19, 2008
I agree emmybodykilla, i agree,some people need to understand the difference also between a main stream fan and a juggalo
The_ d33ster

United States

#40 Sep 19, 2008
to all my homies out there i just want 2 say mfcl!! ive been a juggalo 4 a year and i luv the fact that i fit in witha family that cares about me and f*** all those haters out there who dis were a family and u f*** with 1 of us u mess with all of us ive been rejectd by my own family but no matter wat ill always hav juggalo family bitch! whoop whoop! mfcl!
troy luginbill

West Mifflin, PA

#41 Sep 20, 2008
wow, emmybodykilla you didn't read a word I said.
You immediately took my post to mean that you were a gang. The KKK, mafia and brownshirts were never "gangs." They just beat people down because they were different for political and economic reasons. AND they called themselves a family. And all of them believed what they were doing is the right thing.
emmybodykilla, you immediately made it a me vs juggalos. That is an example of the beginning of the road the juggalos are taking. That is what I am saying. From here, unless you begin to think before you react, you will become a gang. It is already happening among those that commit violence in the name of ICP/juggalo. You may not condone it but that won't stop it. And it will only find a home among you. What is the first rule of running an operation? "think before you act". So read my post and tell me what I said again.
The only person saying anyone is BAD is you telling me that I am bad. Hey I don't care what kind of music you listen to, I like GWAR, I go to their concerts and enjoy the show. They are, as a music group, of no redeeming quality whatsoever, they have no message, no morals, nothing. But I like them. I also volunteer at soup kitchens, I work for a community non-profit, I have adopted many local seniors who have no one else in their life. I like guns and believe in saving the environment. I am not a christian, I like playboy and penthouse and am 25 pounds overweight and balding, I have considered leaving my family in the past and luckily got past my selfishness. But never in my life have I needed anyone else to justify my beliefs or values. So stop acting like every other juggalo out there and make yourself a good example, be a leader and stop saying "Mean people suck, and maybe you should evaluate yourself before you evaluate others." That is not a philosophy or ethical value. That is an excuse. Stop making excuses about how ineffective your reactions are. Make other people WANT to be a juggalo. Stop reacting and act.
troy luginbill

West Mifflin, PA

#42 Sep 20, 2008
What I said is that every gang THINKS of themselves as a family. Their crimes are incidental to being a family according to them. Their crimes are something that they have to do to survive against a world that hates them. This is what I hear more and more from Juggalos: "People hate us and beat us down cause we are different. If they gonna mess wit a family member then the family needs to mess wit dem."
And the following is what I hear from ICPs music: Do what you have to as long as you don't hurt the one you love/the innocent. But feel free to hurt the one you hate. As a matter of fact rejoice in hurting what you hate because it hurt you first and deserves to be beat down. A Juggalos definition of what is bad is what a juggalo doesn't like. So.... If a juggalo doesn't like something, then it must be bad, and bad things get punished, so go and punish the wicked.
I can even tell you who the wicked are:
The wicked generally wear dockers, baseball caps on frontwards, t-shirts and button ups, have short blonde hair, were football players or cheerleaders in highschool, made fun of you, still make fun of you, work for the man, live in a neighborhood where everyone of them is like the other, go to church, don't actually practice their religion, worry about what their neighbors think and like to crap on anyone that looks, thinks, acts different than them. And none of them act any better than you.
In fact because of sheer numbers they act worse than you. They beat the shit out of their kids, cheat on their spouses, abuse the boys and girls next door, let their sons rape their daughters, and laugh about it at poker night. But they never make the paper the way Juggalos do. Yep, that is absolutely right, no sarcasm no anger in that statement, just fact. Non-gang members commit way more atrocities than any gang.
troy luginbill

West Mifflin, PA

#43 Sep 20, 2008
What you hear ICP has said amongst its music may be a fine philosophy. I really don't know, and I really don't care cause it sounds the same to me as the teachings of zoroaster, christ, budda, the great spirit, gaia and all the rest love your neighbor gods, there is nothing new from ICP. The problem with "family" is that the message has to come from a specific source. If someone outside the family says the words, walks the talk or acts the right doesn't matter to the family. What matters to the family is that they did it because the family father told them to. Christians don't care if you act in a christian manner. They care only when you act christian because jesus told you to.

your own words-
"I'll stand by this. I love my family. Every single Juggalo is in my heart, and if they EVER needed anything... I would be there for them."

That is what is making you a gang. Your statement is exclusionary and judgmental of everyone outside that does not believe/act the way you do. Inherent in your statement is that you love your los/lettes because ICP told you that is the right thing to do. You can't be a lo/lette unless you found the dark carnival among the jokers.

This statment tells me I am not in a gang...and I'll stand by this. I may not like or even love my family, but I do care about the well being of every single person on this planet, and I will help anyone that needs it. Not just my family. Even my enemies. Why? Because it is simply the right thing to do. It is not easy and may even cost me my life, but that is a small price to pay compared to someone who needs help.

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