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Insane Clown Posse's Juggalos Aren't a Gang - Just Punk Kids

There are 1208 comments on the New Times story from Nov 20, 2008, titled Insane Clown Posse's Juggalos Aren't a Gang - Just Punk Kids. In it, New Times reports that:

Woop-woop. Walking around Metrocenter in an Insane Clown Posse shirt, I hear the sound every few minutes.

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JRBD4L

Saint Louis, MO

#55 Jan 24, 2009
Hey all juggalos and juggalettes go to hatchetspace.socialgo.com ... its like myspace but only for the fam.... MMFWCL
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#56 Jan 26, 2009
bumblebootwiggy
"alright listen u dont no crap it pisses me off when ppl that dont no crap bout us juggalos and lettes rele u need to stop dissin on us just cuz some ppl r being stupid dont mean there representing the whole family were all individuals being a juggalo or lette is all about being your self and not giving a fuck what ppl think. we love the music by psycopathic records and we follow what there music has to do with cuz they rele are a pretty good influence if u rele no there music so yea pls just shut your fuckin faces, ppl that like tlking shit. cuz rele i dont c y u care u cant controll an individual only ur self so plz do controll ur self and stop dissin on us!!!1"

Alright listen YOU don't know crap.
1. If being a juggalo/lette is all about being yourself and not giving a fuck what people think you and alot of your "family" is doing a piss-poor job.

2. You guys must really live in Shagri-la land to think that people will not judge you as a group by those who are representing you-which is currently criminals.

3. Juggalos refuse to share their "good influence" because they are afraid it will lead to mainstreaming ICP, so that just makes you selfish poseurs.

4. I care because I can actually see what ICP is saying in their music and frankly I think that you Juggalos have pretty much got it all wrong. You are using the excuse of personal responsibility to blame others for marginalizing you.

You are constantly saying everyone did this to you so you had to listen to ICP to find some sort of goodness in life. If you were to actually listen to the music and think about what ICP is saying you might find some sort of real happiness, both in the mainstream and in yourself. But you are right I cannot control you, if I could I would stop you from making excuses as to why nobody likes you and get you involved with your life, your community and your future. Only you turned your back on those, not me, not ICP, and certainly not the mainstream. So as long as you keep acting like a dipshit I will treat you like a dipshit and I will disrespect you and I will tell you at every turn that you can be and are better than what you are currently doing until you believe me.
Orchid

Norfolk, VA

#58 Jan 27, 2009
Yup all gangs and cults call themselves "family"and say they are not gangs or cults.But ofcourse they are.Juggalos are no different,well other than the fact they are a very stupid and incompetent gang/cult.The solution to the juggalo problem is giving police the permission to shoot first and ask questions later when they see psychopathic merchandise.
juggallete

Prescott Valley, AZ

#59 Jan 28, 2009
bob if we are lozers why are you reading comments posted by us. and if you hate ICP why are you lookin em up on the web?
Juggalo

United States

#60 Jan 28, 2009
IN ICP and the world they have created, and by wolrd I mean fan base. People like us who people would just look past or give dirty looks to have found a community in which there is acceptance. If people would take the time and listen to the music and the message behind it, they may learn something. They are pointing out what is wrong with the community around us. They are bringing out the darkness and saying how messed up is this. At the same time giving us something to laugh at. But it's nothing new, people wanna hate on what they don't understand or dislike. I know this because I'm also a fan of acts like Alice Cooper which also bring a community of fans together.
I got news for ya, you would be amazed of all the fans of ICP. Everywhere I go I meet another Juggalo and it's like having a long lost friend whenever you meet one.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#63 Jan 28, 2009
Juggalo,

You are right. ICP is simply a couple of artists who struck an emotional cord among a group of people who feel left out, left behind and pushed to the side.
I think you would also be surprised how many other fans of ICP don't like every other fan. Many of them see some guy decked out and say, "damn that guy is a total geek" and then turn and say "oh hey man you rock!" So be careful of the supposed solidarity of the Juggalo world.
People mainly are hating Juggalos not because of what they don't understand or dislike, but because some members of your family have created true fear in your name. It is like a guy who hates all homeless because he was mugged by one. In his mind every homeless on the streets is a viable threat. He tells people and they believe him, then the next thing you know everyone thinks all homeless are a threat. If if was just something about people disliking you and thinking you are weird then you would be ridiculed, but people are actually afraid of juggalos. Why? Because some of you have raped, murdered, assaulted, burned, stolen, and committed general thuggery AS JUGGALOS and using the juggalo name. Marilyn Manson fans didn't do this. Neither did Alice Cooper fans.
Juggalo

Roxbury, PA

#65 Jan 30, 2009
Realy, because I'm a juggalo. But you wouldn't know it to look at me. I don't always walk around wearing my ICP t-shirts. usualy I wear nice clothes. I hold a full time job, am married, and pay my bills on time. I'm just like you except for the fact that I'm a fan of this kind of music. How is that retarded. Maybe your retarded for listening to your Rascal Flats. Maybe we don't like the way you dress. But I won't judge, because I know what that's like.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#66 Jan 30, 2009
phxjosh-so do the fans of dolly parton. and abba. and celine dion.

The only problem Juggalos have right now is that they don't understand that there are some very bad people out there representing them. That new Juggalos are looking up to the those guys not the guys like Juggalo.

The gratetful dead went through a time like this about 3 years after they started really becoming popular. Biker gangs started to use their art and music and associate their crimes with the band. The band did not like that. If you showed up at their concert with anything violent that was associated with the band some very large fellows asked you to politely leave. The grateful dead actively denied what was becoming of their music and in so doing created dead heads. A more mellow bunch of people that were totally non-violent and charitable I have yet to see. Maybe ICP can build that kind of culture with their music.
Juggalo

United States

#67 Jan 31, 2009
I think if you look at any performers fans you will find some bad apples. The problem with these younger kids are that they wanna be looked at and payed attention to, the older fans just go about there day, not craving attention.
Tru_Juggalette

Sterling, CO

#69 Jan 31, 2009
If you want to see a gang look at the Bloods, Crips, Arian Brotherhood, or a real threat. ICP is a band, not a gang. They are a family and that is all there is to it.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#71 Feb 1, 2009
phxjosh

While I agree with you in theory, I have to point out that regardless of what most Juggalos may be and may be acting like there is one simple fact out there that is plain and simple.

They do think of themselves as a family. Some of them have formed gangs, there is a Juggalo faith/cult. The last two are just ways for bad people to justify their actions and make a little money in the mean time.

In calling Juggalos tards do you think to earn their respect and gain a voice that will possibly change some of their minds. Are you that cool, that people let you insult them and then listen raptly to what you have to say?

Make some points. Show them why you are right. Otherwise you are just a waste of time like so many others out there.
Sarah

Flagstaff, AZ

#72 Feb 2, 2009
troy luginbill wrote:
phxjosh
While I agree with you in theory, I have to point out that regardless of what most Juggalos may be and may be acting like there is one simple fact out there that is plain and simple.
They do think of themselves as a family. Some of them have formed gangs, there is a Juggalo faith/cult. The last two are just ways for bad people to justify their actions and make a little money in the mean time.
In calling Juggalos tards do you think to earn their respect and gain a voice that will possibly change some of their minds. Are you that cool, that people let you insult them and then listen raptly to what you have to say?
Make some points. Show them why you are right. Otherwise you are just a waste of time like so many others out there.
Oh God! Im Not A Juggalo. Not At All. In Fact I Agree That They Are Kinda Out Of Hand. And In My Neighboorhood They Are Ruining It With Their Grafitti And Fights And Most Of The Juggalos Are Always Touching Girls That Dont Wanna Be Touched. But I Also Know Lots Of Juggalos And Lettes That Are Nice And Into There Community And It Sucks That The Ones That Are Stupid And Take Everything Out Of Control Are Making The Rest Of Their "Family" Look Bad. But Seriously Troy Your tAlking So Much Sh!t About "What Are They Doing For The Community", Well What The FUC## Are You Doing For Your Community? Talking Sh!T To The Juggalo's And Lettes Trying To Change Them? Yeah Good Job Helping With The Community If Only More People In The World Sat At There Computers To Talk Sh!it We'd HAve Such A Better World. STFU!
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#73 Feb 2, 2009
sarah,

ooooohhhh, you told me. I am sooooo put in my place.

I will disregard the non-profit organization I work for, I will not look towards the number of senior homes I volunteer my time at, I will not remind anyone of the community service kids I coach. I will forget about the money I give to the boys and girls club, local chamber, local schools, food drives, cancer research, and unwed mothers home. I won't say anything about the planning boards I go to meeting after meeting after meeting on to help local skateboarders get their goddamned skate park so they stop crapping up all the benches and handrails around town. I will cast my eyes away from the bikes for books program, educator of the year scholarships, and highway cleanup program I assist with through the local lodge.

Yep, you called me out for the hunk of shit I am. I guess I made a supreme mistake by trying to make a point among a group that needs a point made. I will instead go back to random surfing for porn, conspiracy theories, home made you tube vids and buy lots of stuff I don't need on amazon 'cause I am an educated wealthy white man. Yep, I have tons of money, and a lifestyle where I don't need to do anything but worry about other people's problems. No one in my world dies, my house is always clean, my jag shines with chrome everything, and every hair on my head is perfectly in place.

Thank you oh so much for putting me straight on what the internet is meant to be used for. Communication! HA! What the hell was I thinking!? I will stop bothering Juggalos now and get back to using a computer as a waste of time and selfish energy.

That way I can be just like you.
Sarah

Flagstaff, AZ

#75 Feb 4, 2009
troy luginbill wrote:
sarah,
ooooohhhh, you told me. I am sooooo put in my place.
I will disregard the non-profit organization I work for, I will not look towards the number of senior homes I volunteer my time at, I will not remind anyone of the community service kids I coach. I will forget about the money I give to the boys and girls club, local chamber, local schools, food drives, cancer research, and unwed mothers home. I won't say anything about the planning boards I go to meeting after meeting after meeting on to help local skateboarders get their goddamned skate park so they stop crapping up all the benches and handrails around town. I will cast my eyes away from the bikes for books program, educator of the year scholarships, and highway cleanup program I assist with through the local lodge.
Yep, you called me out for the hunk of shit I am. I guess I made a supreme mistake by trying to make a point among a group that needs a point made. I will instead go back to random surfing for porn, conspiracy theories, home made you tube vids and buy lots of stuff I don't need on amazon 'cause I am an educated wealthy white man. Yep, I have tons of money, and a lifestyle where I don't need to do anything but worry about other people's problems. No one in my world dies, my house is always clean, my jag shines with chrome everything, and every hair on my head is perfectly in place.
Thank you oh so much for putting me straight on what the internet is meant to be used for. Communication! HA! What the hell was I thinking!? I will stop bothering Juggalos now and get back to using a computer as a waste of time and selfish energy.
That way I can be just like you.
You Dont Know Me And For your Information I Do Many Of The Same Things You Said You Do For Your Community. But It Probabaly Would HAve Been A Better Idea For You To State What It Is You Do When Telling Them To Get Involved Otherwise They Just Think Your All Talk. I Agree Very Greatly That The Juggalos Need To Change There Attitude Not Only For Themselves But For There "Family" ANd For There Community, I Dont Think Arguing With a Whole Bunch Of Kids Through A Forum On The Internet Is The Way To Make That Change Happen.
Juggalo

York, PA

#76 Feb 5, 2009
The problem is more the the youth of the nation these days. They think they are owed everything without having to work for it. It has nothing to do with ICP.
Sarah

Flagstaff, AZ

#77 Feb 5, 2009
Juggalo wrote:
The problem is more the the youth of the nation these days. They think they are owed everything without having to work for it. It has nothing to do with ICP.
I Agree With "Juggalo From York" Its Not Just The Juggalos Its All The Teens In the World Today. They're All Out Of Control. They All Think They Can Take Over Everything And They Think Everyone Owes Them Things They Never Gave Anything To Get. Its Not Just Certain Groups Its All Of Them. Agreed.
jugallette for life

Prescott Valley, AZ

#78 Feb 5, 2009
I think that there are bad people in alot of places. They only point us out because we satnd out with our painted faces t-shirts and hats. I think thats why they call us a gang. There are bad juggalos and jugallettes and there are good ones to. So ingnerant people need to shut-up. Cuz there are good and bad people everywhere.
Bob Dobbs

Salt Lake City, UT

#79 Feb 5, 2009
wow, just wow, i read this entire thread and I have no real interest in it. dont get me wrong, i found it interesting, but i dont care about what is and is not right about these people. i stumbled across this thing by mistake, I can not believe that people still buy into this ICP shit, i thought they were retarded 12 years ago. the fact that there is an active debate about this in 2009 is astounding. grow up, utilize your mind for decisions, not as resting place for shitty 3rd rate rap music and ideas being spewed by two retards in makeup
Jokers Smile

United States

#80 Feb 5, 2009
You read an entire thread about something you have no interest in only to leave a useless post that has nothing to do with anything being said, and we're the one's who are retarded?

Maybe the fact that there is still an active debate about this shows that there might be more to it than two retards in face paint.

Do us all a favor and shove your head back up your ass where it belongs.
troy luginbill

Dravosburg, PA

#81 Feb 6, 2009
sarah
"You Dont Know Me And For your Information I Do Many Of The Same Things You Said You Do For Your Community. But It Probabaly Would HAve Been A Better Idea For You To State What It Is You Do When Telling Them To Get Involved Otherwise They Just Think Your All Talk. I Agree Very Greatly That The Juggalos Need To Change There Attitude Not Only For Themselves But For There "Family" ANd For There Community, I Dont Think Arguing With a Whole Bunch Of Kids Through A Forum On The Internet Is The Way To Make That Change Happen."

If I approached the Juggalos in my area, I would at the very least be personally vandalized if not assaulted. I don't have the money to travel to another area to have any formal discussion with Juggalos of kinder ilk, nor am I inclined to go to an ICP concert.

As should be evident by now, while most Juggalos are spoiled teenagers who really have no idea of anything but that they are right (ah those days of righteous anger and blissful ignorance, when you just had to say it enough for it to be true.) there are those on here that are older, wiser and who the current spate of newly minted Juggalos look up to.

I came here, instead of doing a mass mailing, because the internet provides a level of communication that can reach across a nation(s). I wanted explanation, some vindication, and understanding. I have now received a great amount of explanation resulting in better understanding, and have pretty much dropped the vindication part-unless some idiot decides to say something totally unproductive.(Bob Dobbs-You can add my +1 to jokerssmile's comment above.)

I did not state what I do for my community simply because I understand that I have no level of respect from anyone on here what-so-ever. I don't listen to ICP, their music is not for me. The only thing I find unique about them is their graphic art and the mythology surrounding the dark carnival. I think the media that is presented in would have been more successful in a comic book format than music but I am not the artist. In short I am not a Juggalo.

Me showing up and stating what I do, would only look like someone bragging about how much better they were than Juggalos. Me just telling them they are idiots will get a standard reply. Me then challenging them to explain themselves should sooner or later get something more than just a "hal na motherfacko, yo just a rednex ho-batch". It did. Some very articulate Juggalos have helped me to understand this community better, and I hope in turn provide positive examples beyond what the many 12-18 year old "Juggalos" are currently seeing-which is gang violence.

so given my local personal situation with Juggalo relations, and the widespread use of the internet, I found a useful forum via which to argue with Juggalos, waste some of my, their, and your time, piss off a lot of people (both mainstream and sub-culture; always a bonus), perhaps broaden my own horizons and hopefully those of others, I will consider this a productive run. A run I hope to continue with more voices in addition to those 3 well spoken Juggalos.

I do have to say that as it stands, emmybodykilla, krazy k and jokersmile have been more polite, thoughtful, well spoken and reasonable than most of their family and all of the "haters" on this forum. So perhaps a new challenge needs to be issued (this doesn't let juggalos off the hook mind you.)

To all those Haters out there, lets see you guys come up with a real solution to the Juggalo "problem" instead of the same old chestnuts. A solution that recognizes that regardless of how poorly someone may be representing themselves that they are after all human.

Sarah? Would you like to start?

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