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Heavy metal band Slipknot is blamed for inspiring schoolboy to stab classmate to death

There are 652 comments on the This Is London story from Aug 20, 2008, titled Heavy metal band Slipknot is blamed for inspiring schoolboy to stab classmate to death. In it, This Is London reports that:

A heavy metal band due to perform in Britain has been blamed for an horrific school killing.

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Dedpoet

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#22 Aug 21, 2008
Dear janine du toit ,as much as i admire your shear vigour and enthusiasm over this subject,im quite compelled to feel sorry for you ,its your type of close mindedness that perpetuates the that most rock ,metal and hardcore music is satanic.i agree that slipknots music is aggressive and obscene at times,but in no way as a society should we start blaming music_videogames_television for our failure as parents ,friends and teachers.its an easy scapegoat from the truth,this was a demented kid who did not fit in ,who obviously wasnt cared for too much ,who just so happened to listen to slipknot.,and one day flipped.i have been listening to slipknot for about ten years,i have never been compelled to such aggressive behaviour,i am now a third year civil engineering student, i see you watch prison break ,its a fantastic show wouldnt you agree ,as i recall there were many incidents of a graphic nature on the show,but im sure your influenced by it to such an extent that you would act on what you saw or HEARD,its just a fantastic show thats all,and ps charles manson listened to the beatles,take care god bless

“Eagle eye”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#23 Aug 22, 2008
Dedpoet wrote:
Dear janine du toit ,as much as i admire your shear vigour and enthusiasm over this subject,im quite compelled to feel sorry for you ,its your type of close mindedness that perpetuates the that most rock ,metal and hardcore music is satanic.i agree that slipknots music is aggressive and obscene at times,but in no way as a society should we start blaming music_videogames_television for our failure as parents ,friends and teachers.its an easy scapegoat from the truth,this was a demented kid who did not fit in ,who obviously wasnt cared for too much ,who just so happened to listen to slipknot.,and one day flipped.i have been listening to slipknot for about ten years,i have never been compelled to such aggressive behaviour,i am now a third year civil engineering student, i see you watch prison break ,its a fantastic show wouldnt you agree ,as i recall there were many incidents of a graphic nature on the show,but im sure your influenced by it to such an extent that you would act on what you saw or HEARD,its just a fantastic show thats all,and ps charles manson listened to the beatles,take care god bless
y thank you for your sarcasm. however, i dont blame music. i blame parents as well for allowing their kids to fill their trunk with junk. Music has a message, it has a source, and its for parents to decide what their children take in.

there are many things i can watch, but i wont allow my kids to watch because it can influence their developing souls. i like many forms of music but am always careful to listen to the lyrics and the message behind the song. i judge from there. my daughter happened to have a selection of songs on her cellphone. One of them was entitled 'lollipop'. its a R&B song, but the words were loaded with sexual innuendo's things that she may not even fully understand. SO i took the song off her phone and explained to her why i dont want her listening to it. there were a couple of other songs like that.

thats how i am,and thats how i feel. responsible parenting would ensure that they know at all times what their kids are doing and to make their kids accountable. take the 'do not enter' signs off the doors, inspect phones and computers, music, videos to ensure there are no 'threats' looming. the problem is parents today are too busy and have left the raising of their children to the media and the government.

NOT THIS PARENT! NOT ME!
NonMetallicMetal

Lubbock, TX

#24 Aug 22, 2008
De WIT Meester wrote:
Witnesses claim the attacker was high on drugs and wearing a face mask similar to that sported by Joey Jordison, Slipknot’s drummer.
Pierre Eksteen, who is in charge of the school’s support network, said:‘We know the wrong kind of music and drugs have bad effects. Young people need to be informed of the effects of bad satanic music.’
The U.S. band, who released their first album Mate. Feed. Kill. Repeat. in 1995, are known for their macabre stage displays, in which they usually wear jumpsuits and homemade masks.
Its amazing no one on here has commented on the Kids recreational use of Drugs,instead slipknot gets an undeserved thrashing.
I agree with you. Another funny thing is that you never really hear rape or shooting cases being blamed on 50 Cent, Snoop Dog, or any other famous hip-hop/rap artist (or at least I haven't). For example, P.I.M.P. has the following lyrics, "I'll have you stripping in the street/ Put my other h**s down, you get your a** beat" and depicts women wearing dog collars in the video. But if a rapist were to have been high on drugs and listenig to 50 Cent, I'm sure the blame would have been on the drugs or some psychological disturbance. Another example, the Blue Man Group plays heavy drums and creates rhythmic music that sometimes feels like an enchantment. Why not blame them for something too, they use metal drums, wear black jumpsuits, blue faces, there must be some subliminal message there somewhere! They must also be satanic!---There are so many things that can be blamed on any kind of music just because it's an easy escape to the real problem. I guess it was Slipknot's turn to be blamed for something.

I mean, why is it mostly metal music that people have to attack and relate with satan and death? Why do all punk people need to be related to anarchism? Why is it that hip-hop needs to be blamed for gangs?

It would be nice if the press tried to be a bit less stereotypical and actually did their job by further investigating their news.

P.S. I'm sorry if I offended someone with my examples. I respect everyone's taste in music and was just trying to prove that it is very easy to find stereotypes.

“THE PUNK GIRL DRESS TO KILL”

Since: Jun 07

I LIVE NOWHERE! u would knw

#25 Aug 22, 2008
Janine for Truth wrote:
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well if you look at the adults on this thread alone that love slipknot and insist that their type of music is art, what chance do kids stand.
the music is sick. i went online to listen to it because i wanted to know what the hell its all about. and it is hell. it sounds really angry and violent. no parent should allow their kids to listen to that. and yes add R&b , hip hop and rap to the mix. all music has a source. its either good or bad.
you. are. dumb. in the end the chose in always OUR! that kid did it because he was killer...i listen to slipknot everyday and if you listen the just talk about how everyone feels at one time or another. also if one of you favorite music artist tell you to jump off a building ARE YOU GONNA DO IT???? NO! and if you are that you(and you alone) are the fuckin' dumbass.the end. now walk out the door. XD
Anton

South Africa

#26 Aug 23, 2008
I've never heard of slipknot till news of the tragedy happened. Seriously people, this is sh!te from the pit of hell. Have you read the lyrics lately, check out http://www.elyrics.net/read/s/slipknot-lyrics... (sic)-lyrics.html on just one song. There is no way I would have this in my house and I certainly would not condone kids listening to this.

Any reasonable person should grasp this immorality and total disregard for respect and life. As a parent, you have a responsibility to look out for your kids, period. Kids look up to you as their life mentors and if you listen to this type of rubbish, they will too.

Then of course, if you been exposed to this all your life, you probably have been blinded to the fact that this is really bad stuff and you would probably try to justify that it is okay.

So be aware, don't be fooled. God has given you the freedom to choose.

“Eagle eye”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#27 Aug 25, 2008
Anton wrote:
I've never heard of slipknot till news of the tragedy happened. Seriously people, this is sh!te from the pit of hell. Have you read the lyrics lately, check out http://www.elyrics.net/read/s/slipknot-lyrics... (sic)-lyrics.html on just one song. There is no way I would have this in my house and I certainly would not condone kids listening to this.
Any reasonable person should grasp this immorality and total disregard for respect and life. As a parent, you have a responsibility to look out for your kids, period. Kids look up to you as their life mentors and if you listen to this type of rubbish, they will too.
Then of course, if you been exposed to this all your life, you probably have been blinded to the fact that this is really bad stuff and you would probably try to justify that it is okay.
So be aware, don't be fooled. God has given you the freedom to choose.
i agree Anton. People like heartless beloved are dumb. he just doesn't realise it yet. music is able to influence. thats a fact. slipknots influence is not good, its bad. the lyrics are wicked. there is a swear word in every second line and the imagery...well kids shouldn't ever be exposed to that. SLipknot and the likes

myself-i had never heard of them before this time. apparently they declared at the beginning of this year that "2008, is going to be the year of SLipknot" Well how accurate they were in their predictions because now everybody's talking about them. And everybody knows, any publicity is good publicity. ITS sad that that young kid had to be sliced for their fame.

after this i am more convinced and will go further to say that these slipknot punks(and others like them) have sold their souls over to the dark side for fame and fortune...and are taking a generation with them...wherever they are going.
Reba

Macungie, PA

#28 Aug 27, 2008
I'm sixteen years old, love Slipknot and metal, never even touched a CIGARETTE, and definitly never wanted to kill anybody.....just to put that out there.

Okay here it goes:
1) If you're going to diss someone or something, learn to spell and write a good sentence first
2) If you want to blame someone, blame the kid. He did the murder. HE took the knife in HIS OWN hand and killed that poor boy. So, why is Slipknot getting blamed for it? It was the KID's decision, Slipknot had no part in making the boy go out and do what he did.
3) Kid was on drugs. That's all you need to know, unless some poor mis-informed sap doesn't know what drugs do to you.
4) Satan? The hell does SATAN have to do with Slipknot playing music that THEY want to in a FREE country where they CAN if they WANT TO?
5) So what if you don't like the music? We've got a saying were I come from and it's: Don't like, don't look/listen. You don't like something, fine. Then don't listen to it or look at it. Simple, right? Apparently it's a little too complicated for some people.....
Reba

Macungie, PA

#29 Aug 27, 2008
Janine for Truth wrote:
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y thank you for your sarcasm. however, i dont blame music. i blame parents as well for allowing their kids to fill their trunk with junk. Music has a message, it has a source, and its for parents to decide what their children take in.
there are many things i can watch, but i wont allow my kids to watch because it can influence their developing souls. i like many forms of music but am always careful to listen to the lyrics and the message behind the song. i judge from there. my daughter happened to have a selection of songs on her cellphone. One of them was entitled 'lollipop'. its a R&B song, but the words were loaded with sexual innuendo's things that she may not even fully understand. SO i took the song off her phone and explained to her why i dont want her listening to it. there were a couple of other songs like that.
thats how i am,and thats how i feel. responsible parenting would ensure that they know at all times what their kids are doing and to make their kids accountable. take the 'do not enter' signs off the doors, inspect phones and computers, music, videos to ensure there are no 'threats' looming. the problem is parents today are too busy and have left the raising of their children to the media and the government.
NOT THIS PARENT! NOT ME!
Waitaminute....how old was this kid? I'm sure he was old enough. Okay, believe me I get it. It IS a parent's job to help influence and direct their child in a positive way. In way that will hopefully have them to grow up to be good citizens, and the parent's SHOULD be monitering their child to make sure that they do not get into things they might not be ready for.

But unfortunatly, after a time, a child can make the decision for HIM/HERSELF (or at least they should be ABLE to) wether or not to do what is best and act in the best that they can. This kid obviously did not and was obviously old enough to understand the difference between what is right and what is wrong. Either that or he has some serious mental issues. In that case, get him to an effin' pysch ward!

Kid's these days should be able to, especially after a certain age, differenciate between reality and entertainment. So what if a video or music is violent and aggressive? The kid should know that even though that particular thing is that way, it doesn't mean that they have to be that way as well.

Btw, all of you talking of how Slipknot is just junk and not an expression of their own ARTISTIC tastes, what the hell do YOU even know about ART in the FIRST place?
ashton

United States

#30 Aug 28, 2008
i am one of slipknots biggest fans and that kid should take responsibility for his own damn actions and quit blaming it on slipknot. Their music is to help release anger so you don't take it out on anyone. If they found out he is blaming them for a death they would definitely go after him big time. They said if they found someone sacrificing some one or an animal under their name they go after you, because thats not what they are abou

Gods warrior

Since: May 07

<<<<--the right to bare

#31 Aug 28, 2008
De WIT Meester wrote:
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LOL
Slipknots Ok,but I have to say Cradle of Filth is better
GTA is good,GT2 is unfortunately a role model for the Thug type.
Unfortunately no matter how much we bull ourselves society as a whole is just plain violent and video games,rock music and nog rap provide us with a safe escape for all our violent urges.
Very good points.
OLD HICKORY

Woodbridge, VA

#32 Aug 28, 2008
I love thrash metal. The music allows me a temporary respite from the everyday b.s. If that means I tear stuff up from time to time or get into a little rowdy pit action then so be it. I know I feel good. OOOH YEAHHH!!!!!

!..!_
Erika_Amazing

Grand Prairie, TX

#33 Aug 30, 2008
Janine for Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Slipknot is not art...its sick. i guess real wisdom is only evident when you can make that differentiation. The bible says its not what on the outside that defiles, but what comes out from the inside. i think you may have your intepretation of that a little off. If you consider then, the stuff that comes out from the mouths of these band members, you will know that they are exactly what this group is talking about. and the outside is always an expression of whats on the inside. GOd wont judge you for your weird hairstyle or your tatoos and earings and sharp teeth. But the source of that expression will be judged. out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. these guys speak evil, hate and rebellion and it comes out of their heart (not the organ)but their souls. And kids are being listening to the rot of their (slipknot's)souls and stand just as good a chance of not being affected as a bag of good apples in the midst of a single rotten one.
ignorance is not bliss....
What the hell? YOu don't like Slipknot, okay fine. That's cool not everyone has to. But Slipknot IS art, and not everyone who listens to it turns out to kill people. I listen to Slipkont all the time, and I am what is considered to be a relatively good kid. Sure, I mess up from time to time, all kids do. But I surely don't go blaming the bands I listen to for that, or what other people do. I blame myself. It is my fault for whatever I do, and the same applies for others. People blame the music for what they have failed to do: Teach their children right from wrong, and guide them.
So, sorry if you disagree with that, but it isn't Slipknot's fault. It's like saying that because Dave Pelzer wrote "A Child Called "It"" that it is his fault that children are being abused every day. So, is it his fault?
Answer me that.
MaggoT

Richmond, VA

#34 Aug 31, 2008
Slipknot did not make the kid kill anyone. You want to know who made the kid kill somebody it was himself. He chose to do that nobody else. I listen to slipknot at least 1 hour a day and I dont kill people I dont worship the devil I'm a Christian and an honor role student not some gothic person so that right there proves that slipknot doesn't make you kill people or have to be some wierd peson to enjoy heavy metal.

“Eagle eye”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#35 Sep 3, 2008
Erika_Amazing wrote:
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What the hell? YOu don't like Slipknot, okay fine. That's cool not everyone has to. But Slipknot IS art, and not everyone who listens to it turns out to kill people. I listen to Slipkont all the time, and I am what is considered to be a relatively good kid. Sure, I mess up from time to time, all kids do. But I surely don't go blaming the bands I listen to for that, or what other people do. I blame myself. It is my fault for whatever I do, and the same applies for others. People blame the music for what they have failed to do: Teach their children right from wrong, and guide them.
So, sorry if you disagree with that, but it isn't Slipknot's fault. It's like saying that because Dave Pelzer wrote "A Child Called "It"" that it is his fault that children are being abused every day. So, is it his fault?
Answer me that.
i am not blaming Slipknot in the way that they should be held personally accountable. my point of all my posts is that all music has a message and can influence. slipknot's music definetely has a message. their music like others is rebellious,angry and violent.and the imagery is definetely dark and satanic. and no child should listen to that kind of music. Parents dont care these days, thats why this happened. the best way to hurt slipknot and like music is to not buy their junk. they would disappear if they had no followers....oh if only...
Tony

South Africa

#36 Sep 3, 2008
Erika_Amazing wrote:
<quoted text> I listen to Slipkont
That's right my dear, that's how the band's name should be spelt.
AUSTIN MAGGOT WORTHEY

Madisonville, KY

#37 Sep 3, 2008
Janine for Truth wrote:
yeah well i just went on to their site and listened to some of their 'shite'. I tell you this, i wouldn't want my kids listening to that. they sound really angry...and messed up. it sounds awful. and if anyone wants to argue that what you hear doesn't have an effect on you, lets go for it. Cos thats a bunch of b.s. There is so much anger and rebellion on that website, I can understand why this boy went to do what he did. The imagery is nothing short of what can only be described as 'evil' and a definite 'no-go' area for a young developing mind. especially in a society/world where there is enough to deal with already.
Well then that kids fuckin parents are to blame not the band if he should listen to them its the parents duty to sort out what the kid should and shouldnt listen too and bitch listen here im sorry to be rude but god damnit if it WASN'T for slipknot and some other bands of the same kind I just might not be here so watch your words whats bad for some people is therapy for others. a good friend and music expressing exactly how i feel saved me and will continue to unlesss people like you continue to blame these LEGENDS
Tony

South Africa

#38 Sep 3, 2008
AUSTIN MAGGOT WORTHEY wrote:
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Well then that kids fuckin parents are to blame not the band if he should listen to them its the parents duty to sort out what the kid should and shouldnt listen too and bitch listen here im sorry to be rude but god damnit if it WASN'T for slipknot and some other bands of the same kind I just might not be here so watch your words whats bad for some people is therapy for others. a good friend and music expressing exactly how i feel saved me and will continue to unlesss people like you continue to blame these LEGENDS
Austin, are there shrinks in Louisville?
Just asking.
Tony

South Africa

#39 Sep 3, 2008
Tony wrote:
<quoted text>That's right my dear, that's how the band's name should be spelt.
Obviously some lyrics suggest c_nts to slip and this one took the bait.

“Eagle eye”

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#40 Sep 3, 2008
AUSTIN MAGGOT WORTHEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Well then that kids fuckin parents are to blame not the band if he should listen to them its the parents duty to sort out what the kid should and shouldnt listen too and bitch listen here im sorry to be rude but god damnit if it WASN'T for slipknot and some other bands of the same kind I just might not be here so watch your words whats bad for some people is therapy for others. a good friend and music expressing exactly how i feel saved me and will continue to unlesss people like you continue to blame these LEGENDS
you should be worried that that kind of music is 'therapy' for you....

Slipknot sucks!
Tony

South Africa

#41 Sep 4, 2008
Janine for Truth wrote:
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you should be worried that that kind of music is 'therapy' for you....
Slipknot sucks!
Can you believe somebody calling Slipknot's music "therapy"?!
Bet you he'll claim watching anything negative as therapy.
Quite a few sick okes trotting around.

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