Estonia Marks 20 Years of Independence from U.S.S.R.

Aug 23, 2011 Full story: The St. Petersburg Times 9

Seventy thousand people flocked to the Song Festival Grounds in Tallinn to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the restoration of Estonian independence Saturday, while on Sunday the people of Estonia paid homage to Iceland, the first country to recognize the Baltic republic in 1991, with an Iceland Day festival.

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#1 Sep 4, 2011
All modern and strong countries have professional-voluntary army.

Why Estonia have obligatory military service?
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#2 Sep 5, 2011
Because Finland and Russia have obligatory military service.

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#3 Sep 5, 2011
tarmo wrote:
Because Finland and Russia have obligatory military service.
And?

Estonia is "copy" of Russia? Bolseviks maked obligatory military service at Russia.

Or "copy" of Finland? In all modern countries the army is professional-voluntary.

Why Estonia continue the USSR-system of obligatory military service?
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#4 Sep 5, 2011
Estonia tries to copy Finland, because pre-WWII Finland and Estonia had a similar military.

Pre-WWII Estonia had 11000 strong professional army (officers). In practice, 11000 is/was not enough. Probably 11000 SAS fighters might be enough, but SAS men are just a subset of a larger fighting force.

Contemporary Estonian army is 3-4 times smaller in manpower than the pre-WWII army. Weapons resources are even worse.

80% of Estonian russian-speaking voters are voting for a party that is openly against Estonian constitution. That 80% is about 24% of the population. ˇMany of those are ex-soviet military officers. Estonia has more "borders" than east and south and north and west. Professional army less than 1% of the population is not enough.

PS. Perhaps we should wait and see what a Russian professional-voluntary military is capable of against a full-population Finnish army.
Or a professional-voluntary German army against a full-population Swiss army. No need to draw premature conclusions before that.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#5 Sep 5, 2011
Just think of a situation where the state goes bankrupt. If Greece had a professional army and Greece went bankrupt, for how long do you believe the Greek professional soldiers would guard the borders without salaries? I'd guess the median time would be less than 2 months.

Greece is 8 times smaller than Turkey.
Estonia is 100 times smaller than Russia.

If anything, Estonia should make the military service compulsory for women as well.
tarmo

Tallinn, Estonia

#6 Sep 5, 2011
PS. Neobyzantine, do you support the current situation where the Estonian Orthodox church is directly under the Byzantine Orthodox Church, or do you support the Kremlin view that Estonian Orthodox Church should be under the jurisdiction of the Moscow Orthodox Church? Just curious ;-)
Krista

Canberra, Australia

#7 Sep 6, 2011
neobyzantine wrote:
All modern and strong countries have professional-voluntary army.
Why Estonia have obligatory military service?
Quite frankly - what business is it of yours ? Estonia is free to make its own laws and decide what type of army it wants. There are plenty of countries with compulsory military service... why this stupid hostility?

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#8 Sep 9, 2011
tarmo wrote:
Estonia is 100 times smaller than Russia.
So, what offer the obligatory military service?

Defence power is 100% professional-voluntary army, and defence industry.

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#9 Sep 9, 2011
tarmo wrote:
PS. Neobyzantine, do you support the current situation where the Estonian Orthodox church is directly under the Byzantine Orthodox Church, or do you support the Kremlin view that Estonian Orthodox Church should be under the jurisdiction of the Moscow Orthodox Church? Just curious ;-)
"Byzantine Orthodox Church" is the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

Russian Orthodox Church also was belong at the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

Is good all Orthodox Churches to unite again with Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople.

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