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alesha

Wayland, MI

#1 Oct 8, 2007
The world does not revolve around you.
Wearing black, and listening to “evanescence”[or however you spell it]
Does not make you goth
Shopping at hottopic does not make you goth
Wearing chains and talking about death does not make you goth
Being immature stupid people does not make you goth
Thinking your better than anyone else does not make you goth.
Goth is a religion.
Duhh people.
Im sick of people
“im goth, omg, look at me, omg.
Umm no your not,
If you can be your own religion
Let me know
Wait you cant
Because your one person
Seriously get a life
And stop worrying about nothing
Your worthless to me.
Your dead to me
[of course your probally dead to yourself also

“Woohoo!!!!!”

Since: Jul 07

Does it matter?

#2 Oct 8, 2007
alesha wrote:
The world does not revolve around you.
Yes it does.
alesha wrote:
Wearing black, and listening to “evanescence”[or however you spell it]
Does not make you goth
I utterly detest Evanescense, they are not Gothic at all.
alesha wrote:
Shopping at hottopic does not make you goth
You're speaking of mallgoffs, which are not gothic in the least.
alesha wrote:
Wearing chains and talking about death does not make you goth
No talking about it doesn't. But seeing the beauty in it does.
alesha wrote:
Being immature stupid people does not make you goth
Me? Immature? Again you're probably speaking of mallgoffs, who are very stupid and make those of us not going through a phase look bad.
alesha wrote:
Thinking your better than anyone else does not make you goth.
No it doesn't. But it is true.
alesha wrote:
Goth is a religion.
Due to my knowledge (and consultation of a few elders), I don't believe it is. But it should be looked upon as one.[Am I the only one who went to this meeting?]
alesha wrote:
Duhh people.
Im sick of people
“im goth, omg, look at me, omg.
Umm no your not,
If you can be your own religion
What the hell are you basing your information on? Little poseurs who know nothing about the subculture they're immitating? And yes I can be my own religion. There in fact are many religions that their main focus is self confidence and being full of oneself.
alesha wrote:
Let me know
Wait you cant
Because your one person
Seriously get a life
And stop worrying about nothing
Your worthless to me.
Your dead to me
[of course your probally dead to yourself also
I can't what because I'm one person? Be full of myself? Be a conformist moron like you? Why would I want to? I'm telling you to get a life, I'm telling you to stop crying over nothing. I'm not worrying about anything really, you're thinking of whiny emos; like yourself. You're dead to me, no matter what trend it is you're into. Now go waste someone elses time in the FOB forum talking about the guitarist or whatever he is dating someone or something. Hurry along before they miss you.

Since: Sep 07

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Oct 8, 2007
alesha wrote:
Goth is a religion.
Duhh people.
Actually, the Gothic philosophy is just the latest incarnation of Romanticism, an artistic, literary, and intellectual movement that originated around the middle of the 18th century.

Just as Dreadfully Yours stated, your irritation at Gothic poseurs is understandable. However, ranting against something you seem to have very little understanding of is just plain embarrassing.

Go read up on Romanticism and the Beat Generation. If you still believe there is no redeeming value to our subculture, then you are beyond help.

- Heretic
alesha

Wayland, MI

#4 Oct 9, 2007
id rather not read something untruthful. Its worthless. I dont get how the "gothic" people or should i say people that think they are gothic can bash anything, and then someone [like me] says something and they wine about it. it actually made me laugh. haha. me and partner cant stop laughing
athazagoraphobia

AOL

#5 Oct 9, 2007
alesha wrote:
id rather not read something untruthful. Its worthless. I dont get how the "gothic" people or should i say people that think they are gothic can bash anything, and then someone [like me] says something and they wine about it. it actually made me laugh. haha. me and partner cant stop laughing
you'd rather not read something you find "untruful" and "worthless" but could it be that you are just afraid to find that all they said is true? the research, true? its all true. i did research on goths, hoping to disprove peoples statements on goths. you are only looking for something to complain about. and personaly, i also think you dont want to do research because your a stupid lazy fool who doesnt want to be wrong.

Since: Sep 07

Minneapolis, MN

#6 Oct 11, 2007
alesha wrote:
id rather not read something untruthful. Its worthless. I dont get how the "gothic" people or should i say people that think they are gothic can bash anything, and then someone [like me] says something and they wine about it. it actually made me laugh. haha. me and partner cant stop laughing
There is a difference between laughing AT fools and laughing LIKE fools. Those works you dismiss as "untruthful" or "worthless" are counted among the greatest writings America has ever produced. So keep laughing at the poetry of Henry David Thoreau and Ralph Waldo Emerson; chuckle at the Romantic Revival novel "The Great Gatsby" by F. Scott Fitzgerald; pee your pants laughing at work of Beat Generation writers, such as Jack Kerouac (On the Road) or William S. Burroughs (Naked Lunch). It only exposes you illiteracy and ignorance.

As for Goths bashing things, just reading some of the other posts in this forum should have stopped you from even mentioning something like that. Most people who consider themselves Gothic have suffered through enough ridicule to know better than to turn around and heap scorn on others. Even the anti-Emo posts are more concerned with popular culture's confusion over the two subcultures than with the Emos themselves.

Let me leave you with a quote by the Victorian writer George Elliot (nee Mary Ann Evans), who once said: "Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving us worthy evidence of the fact."

Be sure to discuss this with your "partner" after the two of you catch your breath from all the ignorant giggling.

- Heretic
RKFS

United States

#7 Oct 13, 2007
Dreadfully Yours wrote:
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You're speaking of mallgoffs, which are not gothic in the least.
Yes.
Moth

Ionia, MI

#9 Oct 16, 2007
Dreadfully Yours wrote:
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Yes it does.
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I utterly detest Evanescense, they are not Gothic at all.
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You're speaking of mallgoffs, which are not gothic in the least.
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No talking about it doesn't. But seeing the beauty in it does.
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Me? Immature? Again you're probably speaking of mallgoffs, who are very stupid and make those of us not going through a phase look bad.
<quoted text>
No it doesn't. But it is true.
<quoted text>
Due to my knowledge (and consultation of a few elders), I don't believe it is. But it should be looked upon as one.[Am I the only one who went to this meeting?]
<quoted text>
What the hell are you basing your information on? Little poseurs who know nothing about the subculture they're immitating? And yes I can be my own religion. There in fact are many religions that their main focus is self confidence and being full of oneself.
<quoted text>
I can't what because I'm one person? Be full of myself? Be a conformist moron like you? Why would I want to? I'm telling you to get a life, I'm telling you to stop crying over nothing. I'm not worrying about anything really, you're thinking of whiny emos; like yourself. You're dead to me, no matter what trend it is you're into. Now go waste someone elses time in the FOB forum talking about the guitarist or whatever he is dating someone or something. Hurry along before they miss you.
I agree whole heartedly up untill the point where you said Goth is (or should be) a religion. No it is not. it never has been. you'll find goths from all different religions. goth is a subculture.
Moth

Ionia, MI

#10 Oct 16, 2007
Heretic1010 wrote:
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There is a difference between laughing AT fools and laughing LIKE fools. Those works you dismiss as "untruthful" or "worthless" are counted among the greatest writings America has ever produced. So keep laughing at the poetry of Henry David Thoreau and Ralph Waldo Emerson; chuckle at the Romantic Revival novel "The Great Gatsby" by F. Scott Fitzgerald; pee your pants laughing at work of Beat Generation writers, such as Jack Kerouac (On the Road) or William S. Burroughs (Naked Lunch). It only exposes you illiteracy and ignorance.
As for Goths bashing things, just reading some of the other posts in this forum should have stopped you from even mentioning something like that. Most people who consider themselves Gothic have suffered through enough ridicule to know better than to turn around and heap scorn on others. Even the anti-Emo posts are more concerned with popular culture's confusion over the two subcultures than with the Emos themselves.
Let me leave you with a quote by the Victorian writer George Elliot (nee Mary Ann Evans), who once said: "Blessed is the man who, having nothing to say, abstains from giving us worthy evidence of the fact."
Be sure to discuss this with your "partner" after the two of you catch your breath from all the ignorant giggling.
- Heretic
You are on fire! that was possibly the best post I have EVER seen anyone construct.
Nevermore

Mount Kisco, NY

#11 Oct 17, 2007
I have to wonder at all this bashing. Perhaps someone could enlighten me on this.
It seems to me that those who would actually feel anger towards someone because they are 'posing' cannot be truly secure in what they are. Do you feel lessened because someone dresses like you but does not think as you do? Does it change what you are? Can you tell me why you care that someone else listens to this or that music?
I am what I am. If someone thinks of me as a goth, does it make me goth? Does it mean I'm not if someone thinks I'm a poser?
If you look in the forums or across the dance floor or library and see someone who you think is posing, this should only elicit a quiet smile, not a fist on the table. Take heart in that they appear as they want to appear and it makes them happy.
Moth

Ionia, MI

#12 Oct 17, 2007
Nevermore wrote:
I have to wonder at all this bashing. Perhaps someone could enlighten me on this.
It seems to me that those who would actually feel anger towards someone because they are 'posing' cannot be truly secure in what they are. Do you feel lessened because someone dresses like you but does not think as you do? Does it change what you are? Can you tell me why you care that someone else listens to this or that music?
I am what I am. If someone thinks of me as a goth, does it make me goth? Does it mean I'm not if someone thinks I'm a poser?
If you look in the forums or across the dance floor or library and see someone who you think is posing, this should only elicit a quiet smile, not a fist on the table. Take heart in that they appear as they want to appear and it makes them happy.
good point. the answer is no. I do not feel threatened if someone dresses like me and thinks differently than me. I actually rather enjoy talking to people different from me. Keeps the world interesting. what makes me angry is when you get somebody that thinks that they are me just because they dress like me or listen to the same music. I look at the individual characteristics. I want to see what sets people apart. I am not going to let someone think that I'm friends with them just because their hairs dyed black, and they like to wear bondage, or trench coats. It takes a bit more than that my friend. but I do respect your statment.

“Woohoo!!!!!”

Since: Jul 07

Does it matter?

#13 Oct 17, 2007
Moth wrote:
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I agree whole heartedly up untill the point where you said Goth is (or should be) a religion. No it is not. it never has been. you'll find goths from all different religions. goth is a subculture.
I know it is a subculture first and foremost, I guess what I was trying to say is that I do know of people that take their 'gothiness' too seriously. I'm sorry if I caused any confusion by that post.

“Welcome to the fourth crusade!”

Since: Oct 07

nevermore@vampirechurch.zzn.co

#14 Oct 17, 2007
Moth wrote:
<quoted text> what makes me angry is when you get somebody that thinks that they are me just because they dress like me or listen to the same music. I look at the individual characteristics. I want to see what sets people apart. I am not going to let someone think that I'm friends with them just because their hairs dyed black, and they like to wear bondage, or trench coats.
Are you telling me that you think posers are actually trying to BE you? And even further that if someone see a poser they are going to think, "Oh, that must be Moths friend."?
Moth

Seattle, WA

#15 Oct 20, 2007
Dreadfully Yours wrote:
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I know it is a subculture first and foremost, I guess what I was trying to say is that I do know of people that take their 'gothiness' too seriously. I'm sorry if I caused any confusion by that post.
yeah I understand now. but you get that anywhere. when it comes down to it all it has to do with is how mature people take their lives.
Moth

Seattle, WA

#16 Oct 20, 2007
Nevermore1 wrote:
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Are you telling me that you think posers are actually trying to BE you? And even further that if someone see a poser they are going to think, "Oh, that must be Moths friend."?
all posers? no. I don't even know 1% of the people in this world and quite honestly I know more people than the next guy over. ok you've lost me with the last bit of that so I'm sorry I probably cant answer. but I do not like people that deliberately try to act like me (or how they perceive me) and then expect me to be friends with them. I am friends with many types of people. as a matter of fact my actual "gothic" friends are far fewer than everyone else I'm friends with.

“Welcome to the fourth crusade!”

Since: Oct 07

nevermore@vampirechurch.zzn.co

#17 Oct 20, 2007
Moth wrote:
<quoted text> I do not like people that deliberately try to act like me (or how they perceive me)
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that what you really mean is you don't like people who act the way you act and then try to be friends with you (although I don't know why that would bother you). Because unless your a pop star, people aren't trying to act like you (personally).
Moth

Ionia, MI

#18 Oct 24, 2007
Nevermore1 wrote:
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and guess that what you really mean is you don't like people who act the way you act and then try to be friends with you (although I don't know why that would bother you). Because unless your a pop star, people aren't trying to act like you (personally).
you'd be surprised. I've got like a freaking cult up here of a bunch of depressed little middle schoolers and early high schoolers (not exactly the cult anyone would want) they are everywhere I turn. but yes you are fairly correct in your translation. I look to be friends with people that are interesting, I dont fancy the idea of being friends with a bunch of carbon copies of me. I like individuality, I like people to have their own views and tastes. I mean right now I know that you and I disagree but honestly I respect you more right now than the person that agrees with me just to get on my good side.

“Welcome to the fourth crusade!”

Since: Oct 07

nevermore@vampirechurch.zzn.co

#19 Oct 25, 2007
I totally disagree with that. Just kidding. I know what you mean though. I don't want to hang around clones and diverse opinions make for interesting conversations. But there is something to be said for like minded friends. People who share common interests. No?
NM

“Woohoo!!!!!”

Since: Jul 07

Does it matter?

#20 Oct 26, 2007
Moth wrote:
<quoted text> yeah I understand now. but you get that anywhere. when it comes down to it all it has to do with is how mature people take their lives.
By that you mean actually living [or so they call it]. Or just otherwise? Not to get off subject here, but I've helped out in local programs and organizations. What really inspired me was the "Goth Help Us" website. I would like to prove to people [at least those willing to listen and pay attention] that goths are not bad people. Its just how the media chooses to represent us. And wow! I went really off topic there. But I understand what you mean though.

“Woohoo!!!!!”

Since: Jul 07

Does it matter?

#21 Oct 26, 2007
Moth, I had that same problem back after I started college. I had carbon copies of some butchered trend wanting to be my friend and dressing like me. I've found usually when this happens, its not just the scene you're into, or the music you listen to/way you dress that attracts them. Some of the kids might find a personality trait that you don't see, and admire you for it. I'm not saying that this is the cause, just thought that it might be an interesting perspective or spin on things if you will.

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