Tips for New LDS Bloggers

Tips for New LDS Bloggers

There are 114 comments on the Mormanity story from Jan 10, 2008, titled Tips for New LDS Bloggers. In it, Mormanity reports that:

I've been getting a lot of email recently from enthusiastic LDS folks anxious to start blogging, inspired by some recent comments of Elder Russel M. Ballard encouraging students and others to take up blogging ... via Mormanity

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Mormanity.

Larry

Topeka, KS

#21 Dec 8, 2008
TheTruthShallMakeYouFree wrote:
I can't say enough about this moving account of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Here is the introduction that I cut and pasted from the website.
"INTRODUCTION.
Some five years ago a prominent Salt Lake editor, in a letter to the writer, said: "The Mountain Meadows massacre is an incident that should be forgotten." The gentleman, a well-known Gentile, was in error; the human family learns only by experience. The lessons taught by the tragedies of the past come down to us in the form of history and become danger signals along the highway of advancing civilization, and warn us of the peril that marches hand in hand with human passions, with ignorance and superstition.
Speaking specifically, the Mountain Meadows massacre should not be forgotten as long as Mormon writers, pulpiteers and missionaries use the ''Missouri Persecutions," the "Martyrdom of Joseph and Hyrum Smith," and the "Expulsion of the Saints from Nauvoo" as influences for proselyting. Nor should the discussion of any prominent tragedy cease until the causes that unerringly led up to the act shall have been eradicated, or until the lesson that it teaches is no longer necessary. The Mountain Meadows massacre should be kept before the public until unquestioning obedience to the will of the Mormon "prophets" shall be no longer exacted from the Mormon people, or until its deadening, damning influence is exterminated. Those who suggest such lapses of memory as that suggested by the Salt Lake editor do so in the interest of "peace in Utah," a "peace" that would be purchased by the surrender of justice to injustice, of right to wrong, of the present to the future - a surrender in Utah of moral progress and civil liberty to mercenary advantages and political bribes held out by the "prophets" and the Mormon and pro-Mormon press as the price of silence."
here is the website where you can read the whole book !
http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/meadows1.htm
Remember ! this is just the tip of the iceberg!
Everyone do your homework ! Get involved !
With world wide internet access , everyone can do research that could only be done by financially backed scholars!
The battle beween Love and Hate today is very real!
And dont just take the authors word that what he quotes is true. Take the time and look up each and every one of them read the full addresses and find the context of the quote. As has been shown in the past you will soon find that Anti-Mormons do not tell you the truth they twist things and tell you what they want to to know. SO always take the time to research the real quotes.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#22 Dec 8, 2008
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Larry,
In context, out of context, the facts remain the same. You can keep trying to denigrate my observations, and you can accuse me of theft when I cut and paste things that I feel should be known, but you can not shut me up! Not even your death angels will silence the voice of truth!
If I disappear a hundred more will take my place!
Remeber Folks! the battle is real !
It is a battle between the forces of love and the forces of hate!
Love does not engage in violence!
just say no to theodemocracy (demon theocracy )
Out of context you or I should say your sources make quotes say something they did not realy say. I have proven this. If you give your source rather than saying You have done the research I would not accuse you of stealing the quotes. Each of your quotes I have given the full quotes and context. I have shown that what you have posted tryiung to say that LDS leader so and so taught such and such that when you look at the full quote in context the person did not say it. I feel you are only upset because you did not think someone would actualy be able to find the real quotes and show haw they were changed.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#23 Dec 8, 2008
collinsfriend wrote:
Larry-get a grip. Smith was an imposter, trying to replace Jesus, which he failed miserably at,except with a few followers. The LDS church is trying to mainstream by jumping on and with other church's bandwagon hoping the FLDS will be forgotten and the LDS can get a foothold to convert more people to your theodemocracy and anti-Christic belilef system.I realize you don't BELIEVE it is anti Christic because you are a "true believer" who is unable to think independently of the church doctrine. Perhaps someday, you will be capable of looking at thengs objectively and quit denying the contradictions you live in.
You may attack Joseph Smith, the LDS CHurch and even myself all you want. The facts still remain that I have proven what you say and what others have misquoted to not be true. I have only posted what people realy said from the original sources. And funny thing is they all testify of truth and you have not yet been able to say that I have not given a true full quote.
Jurk

South Jordan, UT

#24 Dec 8, 2008
Larry is the MAN!

Lassie and Flipper said so!
Larry

Topeka, KS

#25 Dec 8, 2008
nothing but the truth wrote:
One thing to think about. Mormon, JW and Evangelical churches have a set of fears and coersions not always understood by others. Their families,friends and church members would/will excommunicate,shun,disfellowsh ip them if they actually changed their minds. Therefore,to argue with them really is fruitless (not that it stops me LOL),but they have a vested interest in maintaining the belief system they have. They can't "afford" in their minds to lose that-their families and friends with the church leaders instruction and blessing will no longer speak,eat or include them in family functions FOREVER.They will not be welcome in church unless they "repent" Mormons also believe in blood atonement for sins not accepted by church as forgivable.Even if repented-they will have to earn back the "trust" as an obedient member which may never be fully accepted. I've SEEN this happen more than once.It is not something they warn newcomers about because of the obvious.
Lets start with your blood atonement comment. I have proven through the very quotes that Grandpasmerf used that the LDS CHurch does not teach nor has ever practiced blood atonement. As for the claim that if people leave the Church their family and friends will never speak to them I can think of three posters that prove that false. First myself. I have both a brother and uncle that have left the LDS CHurch and they are at every family function. Infact my active LDS mother speands a lot of time with her ex-LDS brotherand son. I while I do not spend much time with my ex-LDS Brither it is only because he is in Utah and I am in Kansas. When we go back to Utah We often stay at his house. The next is Mr. Zip one who has left the LDS CHurch but will tell everyone that his family has not shunned him. And the LAst I uses many names but I call hi CLearfield. Another who has left the LDS CHurch but still has family and friends who speak to him. Infact I helped him with advice on how to get his name removed from the CHurch records after he had tried several times but because he was going through the wrong people was getting no were.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#26 Dec 8, 2008
orphanannie wrote:
How is murdering innocent women, children, and men 'out of context'? They didn't kill themselves! The Indians didn't kill them! The US Army didn't kill them....soooo who killed them?
THE MORMONS!!!
Now, what part of "THE MORMONS KILLED 120 men women and children" is out of context for you?
KILLING is KILLING!! the infants and toddlers and small children didn't have weaponry did they? They weren't running through the prarie declaring war on the Mormons, were they? So, tell me neutral, what is out of context for you?
You can wrap poop up in a nicely decorated gift box with a fancy bow on top, but it still stinks and it's still poop, honey...
your cult has done everything it can to twist, manuever around, and distort the truth, and then tells YOU that it's the anti's that are taking things out of context...
ARe you sure about that? Have YOU personally ever taken the time to read something not printed by or researched by or approved of by one of your mormon elders? How do you know you aren't being lied to?
If the mormons were so forthcoming about this incident, why did it take them over a hundred years to confess that it was THEM? Your cult leaders blamed the Indians for over a hundred years for this horrific crime! Now, what part of that is 'out of context'? If you were such good Christians, why wasn't the sin of murder admitted to from the beginning, instead of pinned on a scapegoat and a group of Indians?
If your cult is really truth telling and truthfully living, shouldn't the very high echelons of your cult be telling you the truth, instead of manufacturing excuses at every turn, until they FINALLY had to admit participation in the murders?
THAT SHOULD BE A SIGN TO YOU. Since when did Christ ever lie to anyone? Since when did Christ ever take the life of someone and blame another?
Obviously, you aren't following Christ, are you?
If you would bother taking the time to actualy look into MMM from both sides you would learn that what is out of context is that when you say the "MOrmons" murdered then people you imply that it was sanctioned by the Church and ordered by the Church leaders. When infact it was not. It was LOCAL members of the LDS CHurch with the help of some LOCAL indians. You also as I have repeatedly pointed out need to look at the historical context and understand the mind set of those involved. How could they have doone that? It was horific. However there is so much more to the story than you want people to know.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#27 Dec 8, 2008
Gyp wrote:
<quoted text>I guess as a former LDS member and one who serves his country at Hill AFB I am the biggest bigot of them all!
Hooray!
No clearfield I do not think your a biggot. You and I have disagreed on many things I but believe I can understand were you come from. I remember back when you were trying to have your name removed. Rodney and I rather than calling you names helped you with advice on how to go throughthe process. While we may not agree on many things about the LDS CHurch I do believe I can call you a friend.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#28 Dec 8, 2008
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone has an opinion. That does not mean they are correct. I have as yet not read direct evidence of Young being behind the MMM. I have read lots od "second hand information" of this is what I know he knows type info but that is it.
I will state that I have inlaws who are related to some of the Mormon men that were part of MMM. These inlaws have their diaries and written corospondences. They wrote and said what they did (in response to attacks on the church afterwards) was of their own decisions and not of something that was told to them to go and do by B. Young.
So believe one thing, you will never read any truth when you read any publication that insinuates or tries to prove B. Young planned the MMM.
I have pointed this out before but it looks like it is needed again. When the Wagon train arrived in Salt LAke City they were advised to take the NOrthern rout by one of Brigham Youngs advisers. They started on this path and until he recieved a notice from the LDS in Cedar City that was the last he knew of them. If Brigham Young were going to order the deaths he would have sent the orders along the norther rout not the southern rout. The simple fact is that those who stayed on the Northern rout made it to CAlifornia with no problems. Now had Brigham wanted the party kilkled he would have sent the messiage north not south. sending the messiage the opposit direction that the people took the last you heard of them would do no good.

“I Believe in Christ”

Since: Nov 08

Salt Lake City, UT

#29 Dec 8, 2008
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Here is a very disturbing quote from Brigham Young,
Four years later, Brigham Young stopped at Mountain Meadows. Federal troops, outraged at the massacre, had erected a makeshift monument to those who had been murdered. On it were the words, "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord, and I will repay." Young gazed at it for a time, then ordered the monument torn down. "Vengeance is mine," he muttered, "and I have taken a little."
This was cut and pasted from this website:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program/episo...
any defense or justification for the Mountain Meadows Massacre by the Mormon church shows that they are not even close to christianity!
So, I guess that you've asked Brigham Young, himself, what the meaning was behind that post, and he gave you the answer that he thought he was God?

Some of the men in the party that was slaughtered were rumored to have been in the mob that killed Joseph Smith. Also, Brigham and warned the people to take a different route to California. Maybe, just maybe, the "vengeance" he was referring to was coming from the Lord for killing His chosen prophet. It is sad that other innocent people were involved, but we know from history that it happens. Like Larry said, the people failed to listen to Brigham Young when he told them to take the northern route, not the southern. If they had listened to them, MMM would have never happened.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#30 Dec 8, 2008
No Suprise,

I don't know if you are allowed to read anything other than the allowed information that is portioned out by your prophet, but this is just one of many web sites that people have worked on to bring the evils of the Mormon church to public awareness, there is too much evidence to deny your church's involvement. this account about Brigham Young's visit to the site of the massacre is the one that cinched it for me:

"Four years later, Brigham Young stopped at Mountain Meadows. Federal troops, outraged at the massacre,
had erected a makeshift monument to those who had been murdered. On it were the words, "Vengeance is mine
saith the Lord, and I will repay." Young gazed at it for a time, then ordered the monument torn down.
"Vengeance is mine," he muttered, "and I have taken a little."
This was cut and pasted from this website:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program/episo ...

any defense or justification for the Mountain Meadows Massacre by the Mormon church shows that they are not even close
to christianity!

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#31 Dec 8, 2008
neutral one, I am shocked ! you don't understand the message of Jesus at all!
There is absolutely no excuse for the evil that was done at Mountain Meadows!
The actions of Brigham Young at the site of the slaughter has cemented his place in history.
The evil that was done is still being denied by your church , and your blood atonement doctrine is in no way an excuse for the horrible atrocities that your prophets have ordered or approved!
As I get the time to research further I will be directing people to other web sites with further information on other atrocities that I am already familiar with.
sees_it

Kelseyville, CA

#32 Dec 8, 2008
So WHAT if the settlers WERE in the "mob" that killed Smith. Jesus would rather DIE than kill innocents-,certainly not on a rumor,and YOU DARE call yourselves Christians?? HAH! You are Josephites-nothing more.Joseph Smith was a philanderer by YOU OWN websites,only you call it something else. He made the mistake of trying to get a non-Mormon's wife. The fact the Mormons rejoiced then and rejoice NOW about the slaughter of surrendered unarmed pioneers they had no knowledge of who they were, and then abduction of the babies shows how godless the Mormons are.
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org ./
The Mormon church tried to buy one of the last freely existing copies of the original newspapers reporting how they dressed like Indians so the Indians would be blamed for the massacre. I PERSONALLY saw it. The man refusd to sell it in the 1980's for the $20,000. he was offered. I have personal knowledge of this, SAW the paper and know the man who has since deceased and his heirs now have it.He knew there was an attempt to remove all poof this ever happened.
nothing but the truth

Kelseyville, CA

#33 Dec 8, 2008
Larry-Gary Gilmore was SHOT by firing squad because of blood atonement. The rest of the nation was shocked at the barbarity. He was not a good person, but I remember the protest and the state of Utah explainning the need for blood atonement on TV. I have talked THIS WEEK with Mormons who are fearful of excommunication for disagreeing with the leaders, and so they pretend. The LDS should just accept that the MMM was wrong, and ask forgiveness.Even the Pope did that about the inquisition even though it happened 500years ago. The apologised for stealing gold from the Aztecs even. The LDS has also done things besides the MMM, there is also the issue I rcall personally of the LDS "adopting" Native American children against the parents wishes. I remember they had to be forced to stop. Defending wrongs that people have first hand knowledge of etc will not help. Admitting and apologizing does.

“I Believe in Christ”

Since: Nov 08

Salt Lake City, UT

#34 Dec 8, 2008
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
neutral one, I am shocked ! you don't understand the message of Jesus at all!
There is absolutely no excuse for the evil that was done at Mountain Meadows!
The actions of Brigham Young at the site of the slaughter has cemented his place in history.
The evil that was done is still being denied by your church , and your blood atonement doctrine is in no way an excuse for the horrible atrocities that your prophets have ordered or approved!
As I get the time to research further I will be directing people to other web sites with further information on other atrocities that I am already familiar with.
IF Brigham Young actually said that, I highly doubt you've gotten the right interpretation of it. Again, you fail to research any other sources than those who are against the LDS church. I was merely stating that Brigham Young may have uttered those words meaning something entirely different than you meant.

The Church only denies that there was any "orders" given from the prophet, because there weren't any! Using the Mountain Meadows Massacre, a tragedy brought on by a group of men acting completely independent of the LDS Church, as a tool for defaming the LDS church as a whole is unjust. It is like continuing to blame the Jewish religion as a whole for crying for Christ's crucifixion! The actions of a few does NOT mean that everyone, especially the leadership, is that way.

Larry and I shown you REPEATEDLY where the flaws of your "scripture" you quote are. Yes, I call those anti-Mormon books you spew from your books of scripture because you treat it as such. You fail time and time again to look up ORIGINAL sources for these so called quotes that "prove us wrong", and then avoid us when you've been proved to be the one misinformed. We have given you the links to find things out for yourself, we've shown you where words have been added or taken away from, we've shown you how quotes have been taken out of context and manipulated into meaning entirely different things than intended, and yet you still call us the liars.

I DO believe in Christ, and I know that He lives and loves us all. And, like you, I am disgusted that people had such a disposable look on life when it came to Mountain Meadows. I was just as horrified when I learned of Haun's Mill, the Missouri Extermination Act, Carthage Jail, and the many isolated murders, rapes, and destruction of property that plagued the LDS people. I was just as horrified when I learned of the Trail of Tears and the Salem Witch trails. Satan works through anyone he can, despite their religious affiliation.

Please, I'm begging you to stop focusing on defaming a religion you don't know anything about (seeing as you've never set foot into an LDS church before and absolutely refuse to read the original manuscripts that haven't been tampered with by other Anti-Mormons. How COULD you KNOW what we truly believe unless you've done so?) and don't agree with and start actually proclaiming the truths of your own.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#35 Dec 9, 2008
Neutral said "IF Brigham Young actually said that, I highly doubt you've gotten the right interpretation of it."
this was in response to this account of Brigham Young's visit to the site of the Mountain Meadows Massacre:
"Here is a very disturbing quote from Brigham Young,
Four years later, Brigham Young stopped at Mountain Meadows. Federal troops, outraged at the massacre,
had erected a makeshift monument to those who had been murdered. On it were the words, "Vengeance is mine
saith the Lord, and I will repay." Young gazed at it for a time, then ordered the monument torn down.
"Vengeance is mine," he muttered, "and I have taken a little."
This was cut and pasted from this website:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program/episo ...

I ask the readers of this thread, how can this be understood as anything other than the hateful contempt for the victims that Brigham Young expressed! This is an example of the evil of the Mormon Church. The more I research , the more I find disturbing information both from outside observers and the teachings of the church.
I urge everyone to do their own research!
Larry

Topeka, KS

#36 Dec 9, 2008
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
No Suprise,
I don't know if you are allowed to read anything other than the allowed information that is portioned out by your prophet, but this is just one of many web sites that people have worked on to bring the evils of the Mormon church to public awareness, there is too much evidence to deny your church's involvement. this account about Brigham Young's visit to the site of the massacre is the one that cinched it for me:
"Four years later, Brigham Young stopped at Mountain Meadows. Federal troops, outraged at the massacre,
had erected a makeshift monument to those who had been murdered. On it were the words, "Vengeance is mine
saith the Lord, and I will repay." Young gazed at it for a time, then ordered the monument torn down.
"Vengeance is mine," he muttered, "and I have taken a little."
This was cut and pasted from this website:
http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/program/episo ...
any defense or justification for the Mountain Meadows Massacre by the Mormon church shows that they are not even close
to christianity!
This has already been explained to you but as you are hard hearted here goes again. The claims of some of the party were that they had been part of the MOb that killed the Prophet Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum. They even said that they had the gun that shot Joseph with them. By the time Brigham YOung went down there ths is what had been reported to him. and this is what he was speaking of when he said it should red Vengance is mine and I have taken a little. He was speaking of God having taken vengance on those who killed his Prophet not on Brigham himself having taken vengance as your source tries to claim. again it would help if you would read some original sources and even the other side of the story. It is funny you accuse the LDS of not reading both sides but you refuse to do the same thing.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#37 Dec 9, 2008
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
neutral one, I am shocked ! you don't understand the message of Jesus at all!
There is absolutely no excuse for the evil that was done at Mountain Meadows!
The actions of Brigham Young at the site of the slaughter has cemented his place in history.
The evil that was done is still being denied by your church , and your blood atonement doctrine is in no way an excuse for the horrible atrocities that your prophets have ordered or approved!
As I get the time to research further I will be directing people to other web sites with further information on other atrocities that I am already familiar with.
As has been shown to you many times Brigham Young had nothing to do with MMM and we do NOT teach and never have practised blood atonement.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#38 Dec 9, 2008
Larry, I have heard both sides, and now the other readers can clearly see where you stand.
There are no acceptable excuses that any christian could agree with.
The horror that is the Mountain Meadows Massacre can not be denied, and as long as you continue to defend this horror, you reveal your true nature to the christian community.
"By their fruits ye shall know them"
Brigham Young is not just a false prophet, he is an arrogant blood thirsty false prophet!

I only pray that you and other people who have been mislead by this group of false prophets will see the light of God's Love and accept Jesus's teachings.
Larry

Topeka, KS

#39 Dec 9, 2008
sees_it wrote:
So WHAT if the settlers WERE in the "mob" that killed Smith. Jesus would rather DIE than kill innocents-,certainly not on a rumor,and YOU DARE call yourselves Christians?? HAH! You are Josephites-nothing more.Joseph Smith was a philanderer by YOU OWN websites,only you call it something else. He made the mistake of trying to get a non-Mormon's wife. The fact the Mormons rejoiced then and rejoice NOW about the slaughter of surrendered unarmed pioneers they had no knowledge of who they were, and then abduction of the babies shows how godless the Mormons are.
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org ./
The Mormon church tried to buy one of the last freely existing copies of the original newspapers reporting how they dressed like Indians so the Indians would be blamed for the massacre. I PERSONALLY saw it. The man refusd to sell it in the 1980's for the $20,000. he was offered. I have personal knowledge of this, SAW the paper and know the man who has since deceased and his heirs now have it.He knew there was an attempt to remove all poof this ever happened.
First we are Christians. The LDS CHurch was not behind the MMM. LOCAL members were. As for the rumors that some in the party were part of the mob the local LDS were told by some in the party , who called themelves MIssouri wildcaters, that they had been part of the mob and had the gun used to kill Joseph. It was viewed by them as a confession. Now that does not excuse what those involved did but it was their actions not the actions of Brigham Young or any other General Authority of the CHurch. After all the last they knew the party had taken the norher rout as they had been advised by Brigham Youngs advisor. Only those who decided to change and head south died. But Brigham had no idea that they had turned south. As for how those who turned south were murdered you must keep in mind that the LDS in the area were most likely sufferning from PTSD as a result of the many rapes, beatings and murders they had suffered. Take someone who sufferes from PTSD add that the US army is on the way to put down a supposed Mormon upriseing, add to this that as the party has moved south after turning north rumors spread ahead of them that they had been poisoning water supplies and cattle, add to this that whenthe party arrived in Cedar CIty a dispute broke out between a drunken Wildcater and the locacls, add to this the claims of the wildcaters that they had been involved in the mob that killed Joseph Smith and had the gun that killed him and you have a recipe for disaster. It took no orders from Brigham Young. It was the sad unfortunate effects of an illness that would not be discovered for years to come.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#40 Dec 9, 2008
Larry said "First we are Christians. The LDS CHurch was not behind the MMM."
The very fact that Larry said MMM rather than respectively typing out the full "Mountain Meadows Massacre" shows how little respect the mormons have for human life. The continuous lies and denials by the Mormon church concerning this horrible atrocity, shows their true feelings!
Every true christian knows that Jesus preached Love and truth! the violent history of the Mormon church with their racism,sexism , and blood thirsty revenge mentality is by no stretch of the imagination even remotely christian!

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