Will U.S. sex ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses spark Canadian cases?

Jul 3, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Hamilton Spectator

Candace Conti says the abuse began when she was 9 years old, distributing Bibles door to door with a fellow churchgoer, a loud, hulking man named Jonathan Kendrick.

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dee lightful

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Let us hope it sparks more cases world wide.The CathoLic Church cases were sparked by the Catholics themselves who know the sexual abuse of children is against the teachings of God and Jesus Christ and they stood up for the teachings of God and Jesus first and foremost.
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The problem with the JW's is they want to deny and cover it up rather then see their org actual become more Christ-like then just give lip service to being a Christian.
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The difference between the RC 's and the JW's is that the Catholics wanted their children protected and took on the mighty Vatican and found they could make changes.
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The JW's are afraid of the WTS/GB and so it is easier to refuse to believe there is a problem in spite of the many pay outs of the org to victims.
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Bravo to Ms Conti and that court for bringing this to a head so other victim will feel free to speak out. IMO the WTS will have to begin to think twice now about shunning of the victims and those that speak out for all the world to see, including those who are LURKING and BIBLE STUDIES than are contemplating joining this group. If they don't make some radical changes I think you will see a rapid decline in their numbers.
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Ms. Boers has been vindicated in her case that was won but down played because of the erroneous penalty to pay court costs. I wonder if that judgement was ever appealed as it is strange that the winner of a suit has to pay all court cost.
Did the WT forgiveness of her having to pay their court cost have anything to do with the fact that the WT lawyers also know that that judgement was wrong and could be lost on appeal if Boer's has the financial ability and or ability to sustain more mental pain, to take this case further?
The Boers case is even now presented by the WTS as a win for them when in fact they lost.

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Most of the Witnesses would tell you there is nowhere else to go, and would quote Peters words to you. They are correct, there is nowhere else to go, because they are following men, as if men had the answer. The men they follow have words of everlasting life. Too bad they don't live up to those words. As long as they wish to follow men, it wouldn't matter where else they went. The answers are in the bible, to be found by each individual. No one else can do it for you. It seems formidable, but with Jehovah it is possible. If they only had faith in Jehovah, and not those self proclaimed messiah's.

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sidgi wrote:
Most of the Witnesses would tell you there is nowhere else to go, and would quote Peters words to you. They are correct, there is nowhere else to go, because they are following men, as if men had the answer. The men they follow have words of everlasting life. Too bad they don't live up to those words. As long as they wish to follow men, it wouldn't matter where else they went. The answers are in the bible, to be found by each individual. No one else can do it for you. It seems formidable, but with Jehovah it is possible. If they only had faith in Jehovah, and not those self proclaimed messiah's.
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You hit the nail on the head when you said if they only had more faith in the God of the bible instead of the WTGOD/GB. That is their problem, the lack of faith in the ability of the Holy Spirit to show them the truth of scriptures instead they rely on flip flopping men who obviously don't know what God says for God doesn't change yet the men JW's follow change doctrine like you change your socks. If the Holy Spirit was present they would see the lies and leave the org and replace it with the truth of scriptures alone.... That is where they should go.
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Can someone direct me to a source that describes how the vatican caught a priest sexually assaulting an underage child and was subsequently taken to the authorities for prosecution? I'm not aware of the Vatican outwardly prosecuting child molesters yet?
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Great article!!
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Can someone direct me to a source that describes how the vatican caught a priest sexually assaulting an underage child and was subsequently taken to the authorities for prosecution? I'm not aware of the Vatican outwardly prosecuting child molesters yet?
The vatican's representative is the one when has been found guilty of hiding a pedophile not the vatican itself. It seem to be a church policy just like the WTS to hide but the difference is the Catholics themselves put a stop to that practice and it is no longer hidden. The JW's still want to hide it as though the world can't see just how anti-Christian that is. It's as though it's more important to protect the org than it is to protect the children Jesus said to care for. It is all about the bottom line.
Now that the Conticase will hurt the WTS big time in the pocketbook, no doubt they will make some changes but isn't it a shame that a so call "only true"religion could not listen to those that have been harmed and it took a secular court to do place financial damages to do it for them. It only proves they have no Holy Spirit to lead them and therefore no true God.

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Can someone direct me to a source that describes how the vatican caught a priest sexually assaulting an underage child and was subsequently taken to the authorities for prosecution? I'm not aware of the Vatican outwardly prosecuting child molesters yet?
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-5745921...
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10:38 am, Wednesday, July 4, 2012:
RE: Will U.S. sex ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses spark Canadian cases?
..... In countries that have separation between state and religion it's up to their justice system, certainly not any of the many religious denominations, to enforce the criminal code (or equivalent). And unless/until a person has been found guilty in court, a person in many countries is deemed to be innocent. While a church is responsible/liable in some countries for the misdeeds of their employees, as I keep repeating, it was up to the victims AT THE TIME to then help the police get enough evidence for conviction in court of any lawbreakers. Keeping it secret helped lawbreakers to continue and continue.
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Candace Conti says the abuse began when she was 9 years old, distributing Bibles door to door with a fellow churchgoer, a loud, hulking man named Jonathan Kendrick.

It was the mid-1990s in Fremont, Calif. Conti’s parents were having marital problems, her mother was sick and distracted. So the little girl found family in her tight-knit Jehovah’s Witness congregation — and Kendrick found a victim.

For two years, Conti says, Kendrick repeatedly molested her, most frequently when she went out with him to proselytize. When he hugged her, she was afraid of being crushed.

“I was very scared,” Conti, now 26, told the Star from California.

She later learned she was not Kendrick’s first victim, that he had been convicted in 1994 of child molesting. That led to her suing the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc.— the corporation that oversees Jehovah’s Witnesses — on the grounds that the elders of her congregation knew of Kendrick’s record and did nothing to protect her.

Last month, in a landmark ruling, a California jury sided with Conti, ordering the Watchtower to pay nearly $25 million in damages and Kendrick to pay about $3 million.

“This was about telling the Watchtower … that they gotta change,” said Conti’s lawyer, Rick Simons.“They’re the last ones to be keeping this secret.”
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Unlike sex abuse cases involving the Catholic Church, which have received wide public attention in recent years, Conti’s case shines a rare spotlight on sexual abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Conti, who as a sex abuse victim had the right to have her name kept out of the media, chose instead to go public with her case. She deliberately wanted to focus public attention on what she sees as church’s extreme secrecy: elders hushing up victims, abused children having to produce independent witnesses, victims being made to confront their abusers face to face.

She also alleged the Watchtower had a policy, since 1989, of instructing elders to keep accusations of child sex abuse secret.

Lawyers for the Watchtower are appealing last month’s verdict, but observers say the church’s defeat in court could lead to more lawsuits, some of them in Canada.

“They’re sure getting a bloody nose over this one,” said retired University of Lethbridge professor James Penton, himself a former Jehovah’s Witness and the author of three books on the denomination.“This will cause many people to have nothing to do with them, and many people within the movement to question what’s going on.”
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The independent search after truth, unfettered by superstition or tradition; the oneness of the entire human race, the pivotal principle and fundamental doctrine of the Faith; the basic unity of all religions; the condemnation of all forms of prejudice, whether religious, racial, class or national; the harmony which must exist between religion and science; the equality of men and women, the two wings on which the bird of humankind is able to soar; the introduction of compulsory education; the adoption of a universal auxiliary language; the abolition of the extremes of wealth and poverty; the institution of a world tribunal for the adjudication of disputes between nations; the exaltation of work, performed in the spirit of service, to the rank of worship; the glorification of justice as the ruling principle in human society, and of religion as a bulwark for the protection of all peoples and nations; and the establishment of a permanent and universal peace as the supreme goal of all mankind—these stand out as the essential elements [which Bahá'u'lláh proclaimed].
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Barbara Anderson, a former Jehovah’s Witness who worked at the Watchtower, runs a website called WatchtowerDocuments.com from her Tennessee home. She told the Star that since the Conti ruling, her 10,000-member discussion board, which includes many Canadians, has lit up with people telling their own stories of abuse and wanting to know how to pursue action.

Conti’s lawyer Simons said he’s had calls from people around the world saying they went through a similar experience in their Jehovah’s Witness congregations.

All this publicity is precisely what Conti had hoped her suit would achieve.“Nothing was going to get accomplished if it was kept silent,” she said, defending her decision to go public with her story.“In my mind it’s a good start to obtaining a goal to protect children in the future.”

Here in Canada, Vicki Boer had hoped to shine a light on abuse within Jehovah’s Witness communities when she filed a civil suit against the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Canada and the elders of her congregation more than a decade ago over how her complaint of sexual abuse had been handled.

Boer told the court how in the 1980s, between the age of 12 and 16, she was abused by her father. They belonged to a Jehovah’s Witness congregation in Shelburne, Ont. and when she told church elders, she was forced go over her allegations in detail in front of her father.

“It was the process that was damaging … them putting me in a room, making me sit in front of my father when I was explaining the abuse, when I went to them first because I was suffering,” she said from Fredericton, where she now lives.

The Jehovah Witnesses have a strict rule that the accused produce an independent witness of the alleged wrongdoing. As well, Watchtower policy states that when a Jehovah’s Witness is accused of abusing a child, elders must meet with both the accused and the accuser — individually and then together.

“If during that meeting the accused still denies the charges and there are no others who can substantiate them, the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time,” says the Watchtower’s online child-protection statement.“Why not? As a Bible-based organization, we must adhere to what the Scriptures say, namely,‘No single witness should rise up against a man respecting any error or any sin …’”

According to former members, elders have told children and their families that if there are no witnesses to the alleged abuse then they should not speak about it as that would be slanderous. To do so can be grounds for “shunning”— whereby the outcast follower is cut off from friends, family, his or her former way of life.

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10:38 am, Wednesday, July 4, 2012:
RE: Will U.S. sex ruling against Jehovah's Witnesses spark Canadian cases?
..... In countries that have separation between state and religion it's up to their justice system, certainly not any of the many religious denominations, to enforce the criminal code (or equivalent). And unless/until a person has been found guilty in court, a person in many countries is deemed to be innocent. While a church is responsible/liable in some countries for the misdeeds of their employees, as I keep repeating, it was up to the victims AT THE TIME to then help the police get enough evidence for conviction in court of any lawbreakers. Keeping it secret helped lawbreakers to continue and continue.
Fortunately, some countries allow civil redress, if the authorities are unable, or unwilling to prosecute. If, as is common in closed society religions, like JW's, Amish, Mennonite, etc., they try to handle things in house, those religions themselves can become liable to civil judgements, as was just proved in the recent Conti case.

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The public is learning the filthy underbelly of this cult.
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Can someone direct me to a source that describes how the vatican caught a priest sexually assaulting an underage child and was subsequently taken to the authorities for prosecution? I'm not aware of the Vatican outwardly prosecuting child molesters yet?
You may want to start with Washington Times June 29 1989

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The public is learning the filthy underbelly of this cult.
Not if they read the case files.

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The independent search after truth, unfettered by superstition or tradition; the oneness of the entire human race, the pivotal principle and fundamental doctrine of the Faith; the basic unity of all religions; the condemnation of all forms of prejudice, whether religious, racial, class or national; the harmony which must exist between religion and science; the equality of men and women, the two wings on which the bird of humankind is able to soar; the introduction of compulsory education; the adoption of a universal auxiliary language; the abolition of the extremes of wealth and poverty; the institution of a world tribunal for the adjudication of disputes between nations; the exaltation of work, performed in the spirit of service, to the rank of worship; the glorification of justice as the ruling principle in human society, and of religion as a bulwark for the protection of all peoples and nations; and the establishment of a permanent and universal peace as the supreme goal of all mankind—these stand out as the essential elements [which Bahá'u'lláh proclaimed].
Sounds like the destruction of Babylon the Great to me.

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Unlike sex abuse cases involving the Catholic Church, which have received wide public attention in recent years, Conti’s case shines a rare spotlight on sexual abuse within the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Conti, who as a sex abuse victim had the right to have her name kept out of the media, chose instead to go public with her case. She deliberately wanted to focus public attention on what she sees as church’s extreme secrecy: elders hushing up victims, abused children having to produce independent witnesses, victims being made to confront their abusers face to face.
She also alleged the Watchtower had a policy, since 1989, of instructing elders to keep accusations of child sex abuse secret.
Lawyers for the Watchtower are appealing last month’s verdict, but observers say the church’s defeat in court could lead to more lawsuits, some of them in Canada.
“They’re sure getting a bloody nose over this one,” said retired University of Lethbridge professor James Penton, himself a former Jehovah’s Witness and the author of three books on the denomination.“This will cause many people to have nothing to do with them, and many people within the movement to question what’s going on.”
The Washington Times, June 29, 1989 (Front page story ...
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to makes the truth unknown... good morning. the reason why this is happening in the church- when the scandal originally broke, many Catholics went public. there were protests and many Catholics spoke out on national tv how disgusted they were. we all were. many of us spoke out to our priests in the parishes and voiced disgust. some of the things out into place are a book for all children and adults that speaks about no touching etc. there are new rules in effect for young men who want to enter the seminary to become a priest. i along with others i know have stopped placing money in the basket. i refuse to pay for any lawyer who will represent a pedophile and as far as i am concerned i give it to a children's hospital. there are rules regarding priests and as this high priest now found out--no one will stand up for one who is going to hide what another one did. it is sad but as i have said many times.. every place you have children. churches, schools, parks, malls you will find these pedophiles. the laws have to be changed. there was a child molester several years back who wanted to be chemically castrated because he told the warden and parole board he would offend again.. it was turned down. unfortunate with the front door back door policy and the for each day you are good we take away a day of your sentence, there will always be problems.
i no longer consider myself as do others a roman catholic. i am a catholic. i refuse to feel badly for them even though they are priests. but this is the biggest problem i have seen here with the org. it is hush hush dont tell.. well now that this happened the governing body is going to have to make some new changes otherwise, there is no trust.
i know many other faiths have come together and sit and discuss this problem and find solutions to the problems. all other faiths have had the high up's go public with a statement on TV and have apologized. a little too late but at least they are taking steps to stop it.

the org is now tainted as all others are. it is time someone -whether the attorney or one of the high up leaders come forward and say yes we also have this problem. if not now that it is public there is no trust. take care
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Dream-weaver wrote:
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Not if they read the case files.
Oh but alice, they are and they are disgusted.
See journalists have educations, they are independent.
They don't let some "governing demons" tell them how to interpret the lawsuit.
They read it themselves and are educated on just how evil the jehovah's witness cult is.

Every child of a dimwitted jehovah's Witness sleeps a little safer because of Candace Conti's courage.

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