Writer a spokesman for Watchtower

There are 20 comments on the Reading Eagle/Reading Times story from Sep 12, 2012, titled Writer a spokesman for Watchtower. In it, Reading Eagle/Reading Times reports that:

Editor: Concerning the letter from Clifford R. Lengel : Lengel is a spokesman for the Watchtower Society, part of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

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#21 Sep 19, 2012
kjw51 wrote:
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Same reasoning of the pharisees against the apostles and Jesus--They didnt attend the school of men to know truth and be teachers--- the true ones of God are lead by HS when God wills things to be known.
Did the HS will them to predict armageddon all those times? Did the HS will them to accept blood fractions when its so wrong for man to take blood? There are many things that could be said that would show you that the HS shows them nothing.

You cannot take a thing on like translating a bible when you have no education in it. the bible says..
2 Timothy 3:16, which says,“All Scripture is inspired by God [literally, God-breathed] and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.”

Just because men say they are covered by the HS to rewrite the bible does not make it so. They would have to have some kind of proof, and I am sorry but the GB has not shown proof. They were not being used to rewrite the bible, it had already been written, but they were changing it to reflect what they wanted their believers to believe.

Holy men were moved by the Holy Ghost. They were faithful to God. They experienced the hand of God in their lives.

You had Old Testament saints. Then you had New Testament saints. Old Testament saints looked forward to Christ’s coming. New Testament saints experienced Christ’s presence from the Throneroom and thus awaited the Rapture of the Church to escape future Wrath and Judgement.

Holy men kept records of God by writing books and letters. Old Testament saints made predictions and prophesied of the Messiah that God promised to come. New Testament saints wrote of the experience of God’s Grace they encountered after the death of a Savior and His exaltation to Heaven.

Holy men wrote the Bible because they were “moved” by the Holy Ghost. They kept records for God’s future use. They gave us evidence and truth about a living Christ in the Throneroom who rules and governs the members of His body.

Holiness of heart and conduct was essential for God to operate through and to keep these records. Holy men of the New Testament wrote their testimonies and experience of Christ in their lives. They all said the same thing. They all experienced the same Christ. All their letters confirmed each other.

The Epistles were records of New Testament saints. All New Testament saints testified of the power of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. They testified of Christ’s exaltation and enthronement. The very experience and blessing they had meant so much to them, they wrote Epistles and left records of truth…. written for our observation and study.

God was behind these holy men of God who wrote the Bible. The Bible is our source of knowledge about Christ to place our faith in. We have promises, and prophecy, and men’s experiences of Christ. All of such for edification and increase in the knowledge of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. Holiness is the reason why God’s written word is true. Holiness is the reason why men of God wrote the Bible.

Takenfrom ...http://ptl2010.com/2011/08/ 30/did-you-ever-notice-that-th e-bible-was-written-by-holy-me n-of-god/
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#22 Sep 19, 2012
Recently, Harold Camping put a date on a 100% true prophecy already in existence in Gods written word.

Is he a false prophet?
kjw51 wrote:
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The prophecy of Harmageddon is 100% real given to John in the book of revelation-- dating it is an error.
Are you saying that Harold Camping is only guilty of committing an error and is not a false prophet?
BUDGIE

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#23 Sep 19, 2012
kjw51 wrote:
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The JW leaders didnt make up any prophecys-- they put a date on a 100% true prophecy allready in existence in Gods written word.God made the prophecy--they erred by dating it. Mr Russell was the only human alive that saw that peace would be taken from the earth in 1914,because Jesus was going to cast satan to the earth and recieve his crown. How did he know that?
Thats what false prophets do pal. they get it wrong.. Thats how we identify them as false teachers and false prophets DUH...

The most stupid thing is that are all those who believe that the WTBTS is Gods mouthpiece,
Gods only channel, Gods prophet, to all on earth today,. Even when the record of this
controling cult shows a 100% failure of all their predictions.. Then accept the blame that
they "read too much into the writings". They even believed that the "prophet" was right
when 1925 would see the return of the old testament worthies,Watchtower April 01, 1923, from page 106 :

On top of that are all the pathetic excuses that are made to defend this false prophet like
"oh well they made mistakes", YEAH!!!?? thats what false prophets do , they get it wrong,
and despite the fact they are told plainly in God's word how to identify these false prohets,
(i.e. by getting all those predictions wrong), they still continue to hold the idol up, thinking its
the best thing since sliced bread.. and carry on swallowing the lies that are told them. How dumb
is that?.

We have Gods word to help us identify false prophets,,,you see,,
false prophets get it wrong ,,,easy is'nt it.

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#24 Sep 19, 2012
kjw51 wrote:
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Jesus taught-- Blessed are the meek for they will inherit the earth--- the Psalmist David wrote--The righteous will possess the earth and reside forever upon it.--- this discounts the teachings of heaven or hell as an end as false.
The kingdom of the heavens is Gods ruling govt persay--it will be over all of creation. You just assume it means heaven only. Why would there be a new earth( system of things)--- no one who died before Jesus died went to heaven.
Cute!

"Paradise earth" is a key phrase in Watchtower literature, appearing over 1,000 times on the Watchtower CD Library. However, the term never appears in the Bible. Neither is resurrection onto earth specifically discussed.

This is a man-made doctrine, like other jehovah's witness doctrines and is not supported by scripture.

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#25 Sep 19, 2012
BUDGIE wrote:
<quoted text>Thats what false prophets do pal. they get it wrong.. Thats how we identify them as false teachers and false prophets DUH...
The most stupid thing is that are all those who believe that the WTBTS is Gods mouthpiece,
Gods only channel, Gods prophet, to all on earth today,. Even when the record of this
controling cult shows a 100% failure of all their predictions.. Then accept the blame that
they "read too much into the writings". They even believed that the "prophet" was right
when 1925 would see the return of the old testament worthies,Watchtower April 01, 1923, from page 106 :
On top of that are all the pathetic excuses that are made to defend this false prophet like
"oh well they made mistakes", YEAH!!!?? thats what false prophets do , they get it wrong,
and despite the fact they are told plainly in God's word how to identify these false prohets,
(i.e. by getting all those predictions wrong), they still continue to hold the idol up, thinking its
the best thing since sliced bread.. and carry on swallowing the lies that are told them. How dumb
is that?.
We have Gods word to help us identify false prophets,,,you see,,
false prophets get it wrong ,,,easy is'nt it.
The JW teachers have made many corrections of error teachings. And in the end they will prove to be the ones who fullfilled this bible truth-Daniel 12:4-- not one other religion will change an error. The trinity religions all know a place of eternal torment is a lie but refuse to look bad and change to the truth.

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#26 Sep 19, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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Did the HS will them to predict armageddon all those times? Did the HS will them to accept blood fractions when its so wrong for man to take blood? There are many things that could be said that would show you that the HS shows them nothing.
You cannot take a thing on like translating a bible when you have no education in it. the bible says..
2 Timothy 3:16, which says,“All Scripture is inspired by God [literally, God-breathed] and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.”
Just because men say they are covered by the HS to rewrite the bible does not make it so. They would have to have some kind of proof, and I am sorry but the GB has not shown proof. They were not being used to rewrite the bible, it had already been written, but they were changing it to reflect what they wanted their believers to believe.
Holy men were moved by the Holy Ghost. They were faithful to God. They experienced the hand of God in their lives.
You had Old Testament saints. Then you had New Testament saints. Old Testament saints looked forward to Christ’s coming. New Testament saints experienced Christ’s presence from the Throneroom and thus awaited the Rapture of the Church to escape future Wrath and Judgement.
Holy men kept records of God by writing books and letters. Old Testament saints made predictions and prophesied of the Messiah that God promised to come. New Testament saints wrote of the experience of God’s Grace they encountered after the death of a Savior and His exaltation to Heaven.
Holy men wrote the Bible because they were “moved” by the Holy Ghost. They kept records for God’s future use. They gave us evidence and truth about a living Christ in the Throneroom who rules and governs the members of His body.
Holiness of heart and conduct was essential for God to operate through and to keep these records. Holy men of the New Testament wrote their testimonies and experience of Christ in their lives. They all said the same thing. They all experienced the same Christ. All their letters confirmed each other.
The Epistles were records of New Testament saints. All New Testament saints testified of the power of Christ’s death, burial, and resurrection. They testified of Christ’s exaltation and enthronement. The very experience and blessing they had meant so much to them, they wrote Epistles and left records of truth…. written for our observation and study.
God was behind these holy men of God who wrote the Bible. The Bible is our source of knowledge about Christ to place our faith in. We have promises, and prophecy, and men’s experiences of Christ. All of such for edification and increase in the knowledge of our Savior and Lord Jesus Christ. Holiness is the reason why God’s written word is true. Holiness is the reason why men of God wrote the Bible.
Takenfrom ...http://ptl2010.com/2011/08/ 30/did-you-ever-notice-that-th e-bible-was-written-by-holy-me n-of-god/
Why do the trinity religions teach a place of eternal torment when they know it isnt truth? Because they do not know God.

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#27 Sep 19, 2012
kjw51 wrote:
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Why do the trinity religions teach a place of eternal torment when they know it isnt truth? Because they do not know God.
You are a liar!

How does the Bible describe Hell?

There are two Greek words in the Bible that are often translated "hell." One word is "hades" and the other word is "gehenna." In the Greek Septuagint (Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament), the word "hades" is the Greek equivalent for the Hebrew word "sheol." Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament notes that the term "hades" often refers to "the realm of the dead," and in some cases "it denotes...the infernal regions, a dark...and dismal place... in the very depths of the earth...the common receptacle of disembodied spirits...." —Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, by Joseph H. Thayer, 2002ed Hendrickson Publishers, p. 11

MATTHEW 10:28: "And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [gehenna]." 1.
LUKE 12:5: "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who after He has killed has authority to cast into hell [gehenna]; yes, I tell you, fear Him!"
* If "hell" is simply mankind's grave, why would Jesus exhort us to "fear" it more than death?

MATTHEW 25:46: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." 2.
DANIEL 12:2: "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."

MATTHEW 3:12: "And His winnowing fork is in His hand...and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
MATTHEW 8:11-12, 28-29: " 'And I say to you, that many shall come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven; but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness, in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'...and when He had come to the other side...two men who were demon-possessed met Him....and behold, they cried out, saying,'What do we have to do with You, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?' "

MATTHEW 3:12: "And His winnowing fork is in His hand...and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."

MATTHEW 8:11-12, 28-29: " 'And I say to you, that many shall come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven; but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness, in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'...and when He had come to the other side...two men who were demon-possessed met Him....and behold, they cried out, saying,'What do we have to do with You, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?' "

How do we know that these descriptions of Hell are not symbolic?

Jesus described the "torment" of "gehenna" with severe illustrations and the acute language. It is evident that He did not regard such a place as a figurative expression of symbolism. Take note of the following passage:
"...it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell [gehenna], into the unquenchable fire....it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell,[gehenna] where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched. For everyone will be salted with fire." —Mark 9:43, 47-49

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#28 Sep 19, 2012
AT DEATH DO THE WICKED GO TO ‘ETERNAL PUNISHMENT’ OR ‘EVERLASTING CUTTING-OFF’?–-Does Matthew 25:46 support the Watchtower’s view of annihilation?

NEW AMERICAN STANDARD BIBLE
“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

NEW WORLD TRANSLATION
“And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.”

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS ARGUMENT:
From the beginning, Jehovah’s Witnesses have hated the Christian doctrine of eternal punishment in hell. They have substituted this doctrine for the concept of everlasting annihilation of the wicked, and they use various Scriptural proof texts that are taken out of context, along with an erroneous translation of the Scriptures, to support their point of view. Such is the case with Matthew 25:46 that reads in the New World Translation of Jehovah’s Witnesses:“And these will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life.” While most Bible translators render the Geek word kolasis (&#954;&#8057;&#95 5;&#945;&#963;&#95 3;&#962;) as “punishment,” the translators of the Jehovah’s Witness Bible chose to render it “cutting-off” to justify their belief in annihilation. The following is an excerpt from one of their publications stating why they chose to translate this passage differently:

“Matt. 25:46, KJ:‘These shall go away into everlasting punishment [“lopping off,” Int; Greek, ko´la·sin]: but the righteous into life eternal.”(The Emphatic Diaglott reads “cutting-off” instead of “punishment.” A footnote states:“Kolasin … is derived from kolazoo, which signifies, 1. To cut off; as lopping off branches of trees, to prune. 2. To restrain, to repress.… 3. To chastise, to punish. To cut off an individual from life, or society, or even to restrain, is esteemed as punishment;—hence has arisen this third metaphorical use of the word. The primary signification has been adopted, because it agrees better with the second member of the sentence, thus preserving the force and beauty of the antithesis. The righteous go to life, the wicked to the cutting off from life, or death. See 2 Thess. 1.9.’)”—Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1989,p.171

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#29 Sep 19, 2012
BIBLICAL RESPONSE:

Those who plan to talk with Jehovah’s Witnesses on a regular basis may want to become familiar with the arsenal they can expect to encounter in spiritual combat with the average Witness who comes to his or her door. Jehovah’s Witnesses will usually be equipped with a New World Translation of the Scriptures (the Jehovah’s Witness Bible), a Reasoning from the Scriptures book (The Watchtower Society’s publication quoted above that is used to defend the unique doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses), and a Kingdom Interlinear or Emphatic Diaglott which are two Greek/English Interlinears that are published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Each Interlinear presents the Greek text and the English translation for each word underneath the Greek text in the left column, and a complete English translation in the right column. The Emphatic Diaglott, quoted in the Watchtower’s Reasoning book (above) was translated by Benjamin Wilson who held beliefs similar to the Christadelphians. Christadelphians believe much like the Jehovah’s Witnesses in that they deny hell and the immortality of the soul. Later, the rights to the Emphatic Diaglott Interlinear were purchased by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and published in 1942. There are various concerns that arise with the translation of the verse at hand: Translational, Hermeneutical, Linguistic, and Logical.

Translational: The Greek word kolasis (&#954;&#8057;&#95 5;&#945;&#963;&#95 3;&#962;) used in this passage is derived from kolaz&#333; (&#954;&#959;&#955 ;&#8049;&#950;&#96 9;) which means “to curtail, prune, dock… to check, restrain, punish”—Vines Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, p. 497. Although the Watchtower Society is correct in noting that kolaz&#333; can mean “to prune,” it is most commonly rendered “to punish” or “punishment” in Scripture. Even the Jehovah’s Witness New World Translation Bible correctly renders kolaz&#333; as “to punish” at Acts 4:21. Yet, it goes against its own rendering of this word in one passage to translate its derivate word kolasis (&#954;&#8057;&#95 5;&#945;&#963;&#95 3;&#962;) as “cutting-off” in Matthew 25:46, justifying this rendering by stretching the “pruning” concept to “cutting-off.” This is clearly unsupported in the Greek text as W.E. Vine notes:“Kolasis (&#954;&#8057;&#95 5;&#945;&#963;&#95 3;&#962;, 2851), akin to kolaz&#333; (PUNISH, No. 1),‘punishment’ used in Matt. 25:46,‘(eternal) punishment.’””—Vines Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, p. 498. But even if one were to grant such an erroneous translation, to deduce from this that a cessation of existence occurs is to impose something into the text that is simply not there.

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Hermeneutical: This is the study of how one interpretation of a Biblical passage compares with the rest of Scripture. How does the translation of “punishment” versus “cutting-off” compare with the rest of God’s Word? At Luke 16:22-28 Jesus tells a story of a poor man named, Lazarus who was comforted after his death while the rich man who failed to care for Lazarus’ needs ended up in a conscious torment in “Hades.” This and many other passages speak of Hades and Hell (Gehenna) being a place where there would be “weeping and gnashing of teeth”(Matthew 8:12; 22:3; 24:51; 25:30). If one takes the meaning of these Scriptures literally, one would be required to accept the existence of a conscious afterlife of torment for those who reject Jesus Christ and his payment for sin. Yet, when presented with these passages, Jehovah’s Witness customarily respond with a metaphorical, non-literal interpretation based upon the Watchtower’s Society’s literature. Note the following explanation regarding Luke 16 presented from the Society’s Live Forever publication:

“The rich man in the illustration stood for the self-important religious leaders who rejected Jesus and later killed him. Lazarus pictured the common people who accepted God’s Son. The death of the rich man and of Lazarus represented a change in their condition. This change took place when Jesus fed the neglected Lazarus-like people spiritually, so that they thus came into the favor of the Greater Abraham, Jehovah God. At the same time, the false religious leaders “died” with respect to having God’s favor. Being cast off, they suffered torments when Christ’s followers exposed their evil works.”—You Can Live Forever In Paradise On Earth, 1982, pp. 88-89

Instead of accepting the simple truth of Scripture, the Watchtower Society is force to impose a twisted meaning onto the text of Scripture to validate their unbiblical belief of annihilation for the wicked and conditional immortality for the righteous.

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#31 Sep 19, 2012
Bite My Jehovah wrote:
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You are a liar!
How does the Bible describe Hell?
There are two Greek words in the Bible that are often translated "hell." One word is "hades" and the other word is "gehenna." In the Greek Septuagint (Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament), the word "hades" is the Greek equivalent for the Hebrew word "sheol." Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament notes that the term "hades" often refers to "the realm of the dead," and in some cases "it denotes...the infernal regions, a dark...and dismal place... in the very depths of the earth...the common receptacle of disembodied spirits...." —Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, by Joseph H. Thayer, 2002ed Hendrickson Publishers, p. 11
MATTHEW 10:28: "And do not fear those who kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell [gehenna]." 1.
LUKE 12:5: "And I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who after He has killed has authority to cast into hell [gehenna]; yes, I tell you, fear Him!"
* If "hell" is simply mankind's grave, why would Jesus exhort us to "fear" it more than death?
MATTHEW 25:46: "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." 2.
DANIEL 12:2: "And many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt."
MATTHEW 3:12: "And His winnowing fork is in His hand...and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
MATTHEW 8:11-12, 28-29: " 'And I say to you, that many shall come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven; but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness, in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'...and when He had come to the other side...two men who were demon-possessed met Him....and behold, they cried out, saying,'What do we have to do with You, Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?' "
MATTHEW 3:12: "And His winnowing fork is in His hand...and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
MATTHEW 8:11-12, 28-29: " 'And I say to you, that many shall come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven; but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness, in that place there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'...and when He had come to the other side.
"...it is better for you to enter life crippled, than having your two hands, to go into hell [gehenna], into the unquenchable fire....it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into hell,[gehenna] where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched. For everyone will be salted with fire." —Mark 9:43, 47-49
You see those who know the allmighty true God Jehovah know this truth about him---- deut 32:4-- All of Gods ways are justice--God showed exactly what that Justice was-- an eye for an eye-- a set of balanced scales= perfect justice--Lets apply the true God to the eternal torment teaching------- On one side 70-90 years of unrepented sin-- on the other side trillions x trillions x trillions x trillions etc of never ending years of punishment---- do you see any balance on that scale--No, Thus the eternal torment teaching is a sadistic lie taught about the true God by religions that do not know him. Hell is symbolism about what it means to be eternally cut off from God--because Gods word teaches this truth-- Broad and spacious the path that leads to destruction, many are entering it. You see destruction not eternal life of suffering.

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#32 Sep 19, 2012
kjw51 wrote:
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You see those who know the allmighty true God Jehovah know this truth about him---- deut 32:4-- All of Gods ways are justice--God showed exactly what that Justice was-- an eye for an eye-- a set of balanced scales= perfect justice--Lets apply the true God to the eternal torment teaching------- On one side 70-90 years of unrepented sin-- on the other side trillions x trillions x trillions x trillions etc of never ending years of punishment---- do you see any balance on that scale--No, Thus the eternal torment teaching is a sadistic lie taught about the true God by religions that do not know him. Hell is symbolism about what it means to be eternally cut off from God--because Gods word teaches this truth-- Broad and spacious the path that leads to destruction, many are entering it. You see destruction not eternal life of suffering.
How can a loving God send people to Hell?

This question is misleading in that it implies that God "sends" people to Hell. As we just discussed, God does not send people to Hell. It is our sin and wickedness that cause us to be condemned before the perfect and righteous standard of God's holy law, and cause us to be tainted in a way that will not allow us to enter God's presence where His glory dwells.

"As it is written,'there is none righteous, not even one; there is none who understands, there is none who seeks for God....' Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin....for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."—Romans 3:10-11, 19-20, 23
We must recognize that God is just as much a God of righteousness and true justice as He is a God of love and mercy. Just as oil cannot mix with water, neither can God overlook sin and allow it to dwell in His presence. It is for this reason that God in His love and mercy provided a means by which His justice could be fully satisfied.

Scripture declares that, "...without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness."—Hebrews 9:22 Thus, the only way God could extend love and mercy to sinful humanity, was to redeem mankind by allowing the blood of His Son to be shed to pay the price for our sin. All who have embraced the free gift of forgiveness granted in Jesus Christ will be spiritually cleansed from their sins and will thus be able to dwell in God's presence forever in everlasting life.(See Romans 6:23; John 5:24; 1 John 1:9; Hebrews 10:20, 14) Those who reject the cleansing offered in Christ, however, will have no other choice than to enter everlasting punishment in hell as this is the only place that they will be able to reside with their sin and impurity apart from the presence of God.

Just as hell stands for everything that is evil and wicked, so God stands for everything that is righteous, pure and holy. By rejecting God and His provision for spiritual cleansing in His Son, those who will end up in hell, have made the decision to reject everything that is good and righteous. Thus, on judgment day, God merely confirms the decision they have already made by allowing them to dwell in everlasting punishment away from His presence and virtue. Thus, hell (which encompasses all pain, suffering and wickedness) becomes the everlasting abode of those who reject God.

"And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." —Matthew 25:46 2.

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#33 Sep 19, 2012
Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the concept of a literal "hell," often rationalize Biblical passages on this subject by claiming that they merely symbolize the "destruction" of a complete "annihilation" of the human soul in judgment. However, in reality, the Jehovah's Witness concept of "annihilation" results in an avoidance of judgment, rather than the righteous recompense for various degrees sin. If "annihilation" of the human soul and the repudiation of one's character after death is to be equated with righteous judgment, one would question how this type of judgment would be "torment" when people today often commit suicide in this life as a means of "escape" from reality.

Furthermore, if annihilation were God's permanent judgment against those who reject Him, how would this type of judgment be righteous as it would treat everyone alike — regardless of the kind of life he or she lived here on earth? How could God be righteous to allow someone who lived a relatively moral life to undergo the same kind of judgment of "annihilation" that a person like Adolph Hitler who killed over 6 million Jews through his Nazis regime would receive?

As can be seen, such reasoning does a disservice to the righteous character of God as it fails the test of equitable standards in judgment. Scripture is clear that not only is hell a literal place of torment, but there will be degrees of punishment based on one's level of sin in this life. In closing, we ask Jehovah's Witnesses, if indeed "annihilation" is the "destruction" of "everlasting fire" spoken about in the Scriptures, why does Scripture speak of degrees of punishment? One cannot have degrees of annihilation, can he?

LUKE 10:12, 14: "I say to you, it will be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city....But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the judgment, than for you."
HEBREWS 10:26-27, 29, 31: "For if we go on sinning willfully...there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries....How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God....And again,'The LORD will judge His people.' It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

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#34 Sep 19, 2012
Bite My Jehovah wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses who deny the concept of a literal "hell," often rationalize Biblical passages on this subject by claiming that they merely symbolize the "destruction" of a complete "annihilation" of the human soul in judgment. However, in reality, the Jehovah's Witness concept of "annihilation" results in an avoidance of judgment, rather than the righteous recompense for various degrees sin. If "annihilation" of the human soul and the repudiation of one's character after death is to be equated with righteous judgment, one would question how this type of judgment would be "torment" when people today often commit suicide in this life as a means of "escape" from reality.
Furthermore, if annihilation were God's permanent judgment against those who reject Him, how would this type of judgment be righteous as it would treat everyone alike — regardless of the kind of life he or she lived here on earth? How could God be righteous to allow someone who lived a relatively moral life to undergo the same kind of judgment of "annihilation" that a person like Adolph Hitler who killed over 6 million Jews through his Nazis regime would receive?
As can be seen, such reasoning does a disservice to the righteous character of God as it fails the test of equitable standards in judgment. Scripture is clear that not only is hell a literal place of torment, but there will be degrees of punishment based on one's level of sin in this life. In closing, we ask Jehovah's Witnesses, if indeed "annihilation" is the "destruction" of "everlasting fire" spoken about in the Scriptures, why does Scripture speak of degrees of punishment? One cannot have degrees of annihilation, can he?
LUKE 10:12, 14: "I say to you, it will be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city....But it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the judgment, than for you."
HEBREWS 10:26-27, 29, 31: "For if we go on sinning willfully...there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a terrifying expectation of judgment, and the fury of a fire which will consume the adversaries....How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God....And again,'The LORD will judge His people.' It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God."
I guess the only thing i can do is pray for you, i am sorry to see that you could possibly think a God of love could create a literal hell, but now i realize what your name is saying so i really dont desire to speak with you anymore--so sad.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#35 Sep 19, 2012
Hey Mr. JW PR rep kjw51, I asked you a couple of questions...

Recently, Harold Camping put a date on a 100% true prophecy already in existence in Gods written word.

Is he a false prophet?

kjw51 wrote:
The prophecy of Harmageddon is 100% real given to John in the book of revelation-- dating it is an error.

Are you saying that Harold Camping is only guilty of committing an error and is not a false prophet?
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#36 Sep 19, 2012
kjw51 wrote:
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I guess the only thing i can do is pray for you, i am sorry to see that you could possibly think a God of love could create a literal hell, but now i realize what your name is saying so i really dont desire to speak with you anymore--so sad.
On the other hand, your satanic god is going to destroy 99.9% of the world's population because they have rejected the Jehovah's Witnesses and their Governing Body.

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

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#37 Sep 19, 2012
kjw51 wrote:
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I guess the only thing i can do is pray for you, i am sorry to see that you could possibly think a God of love could create a literal hell, but now i realize what your name is saying so i really dont desire to speak with you anymore--so sad.
I don't want prayers from one who does not even know who God is!

PLEASE don't pray for me!

You don't have to believe me, just read scripture without cult literature and you will see the truth too.

Oh, and God's name is not the PAGAN name, "jehovah"!

“Christmas ONLY for Christians!”

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#38 Sep 19, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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On the other hand, your satanic god is going to destroy 99.9% of the world's population because they have rejected the Jehovah's Witnesses and their Governing Body.
You are wasting your time. He is indoctrinated to believe lies.

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#39 Sep 19, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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On the other hand, your satanic god is going to destroy 99.9% of the world's population because they have rejected the Jehovah's Witnesses and their Governing Body.
Thats sick thinking---- God has warned the earth of what is coming and how to avoid being destroyed, the warning is 2000 years old.--Its because they reject God and his son- they choose to walk that path out of free will. They refuse to listen to Jesus for ear tickleing lies.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#40 Sep 19, 2012
On the other hand, your satanic god is going to destroy 99.9% of the world's population because they have rejected the Jehovah's Witnesses and their Governing Body.
kjw51 wrote:
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Thats sick thinking---- God has warned the earth of what is coming and how to avoid being destroyed, the warning is 2000 years old.--Its because they reject God and his son- they choose to walk that path out of free will. They refuse to listen to Jesus for ear tickleing lies.
Don't confuse rejecting Jehovah's Witnesses and their Governing Body with rejecting Jesus.

Your cult teaches sick thoughts:

October 15, 1958 Watchtower
Pages 614-615

*** What Will Armageddon Mean for You?***

On Satan’s side will be all the rest of mankind, more than 99.9 percent, even as we read:“The whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one.” That includes all the governments of the world together with their supporters, the commercial, religious and social institutions. Even the professedly Christian organizations? Yes...

The Governing Body wrote and published this sick stuff.

I only reported what they wrote.

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