“I don’t believe God hates me anymore”

“I don’t believe God hates me anymore”

There are 69 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from May 24, 2010, titled “I don’t believe God hates me anymore”. In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

On the cusp of summer in 2004, more than a year into his latest tour as a Christian pop star, Ray Boltz took a break for what was supposed to be a family vacation. All through the previous months, plying the country with two semi-trailers and a dozen musicians and crew members, playing hits like “Thank You” and “The Anchor Holds,” Mr. Boltz had felt something unbearable, something paralyzing.

Carol Boltz, his wife of 30 years and his best friend, sensed the isolation and yet could not reckon its cause. The life Ray was leading, after all, was the life they had set out on together way back when he was a teenager with a guitar at a Christian coffeehouse near their Indiana hometown. That life had brought awards, gold records, a comfortable home for their four children.

So she gathered herself and asked him what was wrong. “If I tell you about certain things I’m going through,” he told her, as she recalled in a recent interview, “you won’t love me anymore.”

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Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#1 May 24, 2010
A touching story. He's obviously a brave man.
Frank Stanton

Omaha, NE

#2 May 24, 2010
And my beloved Christain God hates no one. Christianity Rocks!

PEACE!

:)
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#3 May 24, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
And my beloved Christain God hates no one. Christianity Rocks!
PEACE!
:)
Stop that !

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#4 May 24, 2010
Congratulations. You've figured out that you can decide that the gods can agree with you on whatever you want them to.
Frank Stanton

Omaha, NE

#5 May 24, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
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Stop that !
You stop that !

PEACE!

Frank

:)
Frank Stanton

Saratoga Springs, NY

#6 May 24, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
<quoted text>
You stop that !
PEACE!
Frank
:)
LOL

Don't make me come back to Nebraska and get you now !(I used to live in Hay Springs).

“The Buybull is innerrrent.”

Since: Jun 08

Schaumburg, IL

#8 May 24, 2010
Frank Stanton wrote:
And my beloved Christain God hates no one.
Oh that's where the "Christians" come in to take up the slack.

He pings my gaydar, but in country music circles they apparently can't tell a straight man with 70s clone mustache and mullet from a closeted man with a 70s clone mustache and mullet.
Disgusted American

Philadelphia, PA

#9 May 25, 2010
God can't hate you..because there is NO god....its a mythe,a man-made book of fables...the only person that can hate you, is YOU.
sunny

Ashland, KY

#10 Jul 19, 2010
sad you are so lost
OPEYEMI

Nigeria

#11 Apr 17, 2013
so sad you are so lost,God cant hate man,but can only hate the sin in man...THERE IS A GOD
buck

AOL

#12 Apr 17, 2013
why did God harden Pharaoh's heart?
because he shows mercy to whom he will
Romans 9:13 says Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated. hmmm
and Proverbs chapter 6 mentions the kind of people God hates, yes they are called things.
but then again, isn't a false witness a person? hmmm
hands that shed innocent blood isn't that referring to a person?
God has mercy on whom he will
buck

AOL

#13 Apr 17, 2013
yeah but the guy in the story Ray Boltz is now living a gay lifestyle and thinks it's ok with God. read the whole story.
buck

AOL

#14 Apr 17, 2013
the thing is many are misled and led away into false beliefs of what God says.
how can the man say it's ok with God that he lives a gay lifestyle?
buck

AOL

#15 Apr 17, 2013
hell has opened her mouth wide, many are headed there, and then you hear them say oh a loving God would not send anyone to hell. better think and read again.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#16 Apr 17, 2013
buck wrote:
how can the man say it's ok with God that he lives a gay lifestyle?
Because everyone speaks for their own gods, in their own voice.

Everyone who believes in a god, believes that their god supports and agrees with everything that they themselves support and agree with.

If a person believes that non-white races are inferior to whites, you can be sure that they think that their god believes the same thing. If a person believes that eating pork is forbidden, they will also believe that their god will back them up in that belief.

You'll never find a person who hates everything their god commands, yet obeys anyway. Every believer is always in perfect agreement with their chosen god, even believers who believe contradictory things yet claim to have the SAME god. A "god" is just a personal reflection of a person's own beliefs, enlarged to cosmic size in an attempt to intimidate others into the same beliefs.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#17 Apr 17, 2013
buck wrote:
hell has opened her mouth wide, many are headed there, and then you hear them say oh a loving God would not send anyone to hell. better think and read again.
A loving god wouldn't have created the place to begin with.

Christians believe that their god is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving.

That means that with his all-powerful capabilities, he created human beings, beings who are capable of love and fear, joy and sorrow, happiness and suffering. He also created Hell, as a place of eternal punishment for those who don't believe in him.

With his all-knowing foresight, he knew who would be headed for Hell, even before creating them. Even before creating the universe itself, he already knew which of these beings, capable of suffering, would be headed for eternal suffering.

And with his all-loving motivations, HE DID IT ALL ANYWAY.

This is a contradictory assessment. Such a god would be an immoral monster, unworthy of worship. However, contradictory and illogical gods are not likely to exist.

Worship such vicious and inhumane nonsense if you like, but don't expect such hollow scare-tactics to work on those who have spent time looking these claims over and found them to be baseless and irrational.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#18 Apr 17, 2013
buck wrote:
why did God harden Pharaoh's heart?
because he shows mercy to whom he will
Romans 9:13 says Jacob I have loved, but Esau I have hated. hmmm
and Proverbs chapter 6 mentions the kind of people God hates, yes they are called things.
but then again, isn't a false witness a person? hmmm
hands that shed innocent blood isn't that referring to a person?
God has mercy on whom he will
All man made falsehoods. God does NOT have mercy on "whom he will" but on ALL. God loves ALL people, not just "favorites." God doesn't hate anyone.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#19 Apr 17, 2013
buck wrote:
the thing is many are misled and led away into false beliefs of what God says.
how can the man say it's ok with God that he lives a gay lifestyle?
BEING GAY IS NOT A LIFESTYLE!!! That you use this ignorant term proves you've NOT followed Christ. To follow Christ is to treat others with love, which starts with at least trying to get a basic understanding of what sexual orientation is. It's not a "lifestyle." It's something nobody chooses and nobody can change. The idea that it's not "OK with God" is preposterous, God MADE them this way, on purpose. Of course it's OK with God. There are thousands and thousands of outstanding Christians who happen to be gay. Ministers and bishops, seminarians and Bible scholars, and many ordinary Christians. The idea that Christianity requires one to be heterosexual is as silly as thinking one has to be right-handed.

“Romans 13: 8-10”

Since: Feb 08

Oklahoma City, OK

#20 Apr 17, 2013
EdmondWA wrote:
<quoted text>
A loving god wouldn't have created the place to begin with.
Christians believe that their god is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving.
That means that with his all-powerful capabilities, he created human beings, beings who are capable of love and fear, joy and sorrow, happiness and suffering. He also created Hell, as a place of eternal punishment for those who don't believe in him.
With his all-knowing foresight, he knew who would be headed for Hell, even before creating them. Even before creating the universe itself, he already knew which of these beings, capable of suffering, would be headed for eternal suffering.
And with his all-loving motivations, HE DID IT ALL ANYWAY.
This is a contradictory assessment. Such a god would be an immoral monster, unworthy of worship. However, contradictory and illogical gods are not likely to exist.
Worship such vicious and inhumane nonsense if you like, but don't expect such hollow scare-tactics to work on those who have spent time looking these claims over and found them to be baseless and irrational.
Please understand that many, many Christians do NOT agree with the man-made myth of "hell." It was added into the Bible after Christ died as a way for church "leaders" to scare people into following them, not Jesus.

“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#21 Apr 17, 2013
OkieDarren wrote:
Please understand that many, many Christians do NOT agree with the man-made myth of "hell." It was added into the Bible after Christ died as a way for church "leaders" to scare people into following them, not Jesus.
If you say so. Others will say you're wrong, and that Hell DOES exist. Unfortunately, there's no way to determine which of you is correct.

It's much more likely that the entire book is man-made myth, like so many other similar books on the planet. People are prone to creating myths. I don't see that Christianity is any different. Every Christian simply interprets their scripture and religion however they please, to support beliefs they already hold.

Besides, EVERYTHING in the Bible was added "after Christ died". The whole thing was collected from various writings around the Middle East, compiled by kings and emperors and popes who decided what would be included and what would be discarded (and often destroyed), and then collected into the book we know today. It's not as if Jesus carried around his own version of the Bible, which had things like Hell "added" to it later. Every word was added "later", under the "authority" of religious figures who would probably warn you not to undermine what they proclaim to be true.

People don't need to "follow" ancient mythological figures in order to be kind and cooperative with their fellow humans. Jesus also told his followers to give up all their worldly possessions, but I don't see many modern Christians doing that. We only need to realize what WE want in a free and peaceful society, and try to provide that for others. No religion required. Religion only provides people an excuse to tell others that they're living wrong, on the say-so of invisible, intangible supernatural beings who appear to give contradictory information to each person they speak to. Without religion, we must turn to OTHER PEOPLE to find out what they need for them to be happier. We won't find anything productive in asking such questions through "prayers", which are only going to return responses from our own brains, telling us what we want to hear.

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