Sandi Patty leaving Anderson

[Springer fan]

John1717 wrote:

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Take a look at our church's history and present practice concerning divorce and remarriage.
Once the church started to ignore God’s Word on that, they are now trying to ignore His Word on homosexuality.
Twenty-five years ago, the clergy was not allowed to perform weddings for people who were divorced.
While there are many scriptural references
"forbidding the remarriage of divorced persons," the clearest is found in the gospel of Luke;
“Anyone who divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery.”
What's more, in Luke’s gospel, these are not Luke's words, they are not Moses' words, or Peter's or Paul's. These words are attributed straight from the mouth of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God.
Hence, the Church did not perform remarriages, because it believed that to do so, would be to bless a union that Jesus Himself describes as adulterous.
In the gospel of Luke, Jesus makes it clear that the new marriage is viewed by Him to be adultery. So what happened?
Our culture changed. While divorce was rare 50 years ago, it is no longer rare anywhere.
The result is; now our pews are being populated by couples in second, third and fourth marriages. We stopped seeing these marriages as Jesus Himself sees them, as adulterous unions.
How can the Church join unions that Jesus Himself, according to Luke, defined as adulterous, I ask you? The Word of God will not change, even if the Church does!
http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html
http://www.marriagedivorce.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Once, I saw a very heart touching episode of the Jerry Springer show. It was about a woman (Amanda) who wanted to divorce her husband (Chris) only because he (Chris) was not rich enough and could never keep a job. She also cheated on him with another man. Nowadays, when I think of Scripture and what it says about remarriage, and especially if Chris read the scriptures and realized what it was saying, assuming Amanda divorced Chris and was getting married to another man, I could easily imagine Chris showing up at Amanda's second wedding with a large homemade wooden vat filled with gasoline topped with roses to conceal it's true identity, and then just as the second vows were being made, I could easily imagine Chris lighting the vat and simultaneously tipping it over right on bride, groom, and pastor, engulfing all three and sending a massive fireball over the altar and into the air, and at the same time, Chris shouting; "Burn in Hell, you partners in adultery!"

Of course, seeing how proud families of second marriages are capable of being, I would also imagine Chris would likely get arrested, and if he escaped, his name and face broadcast in the news, wanted posters with his name all over the place, and such. I can also imagine Chris likely even getting sentenced for any of 2 scenarios.

Scenario #1; Amanda, new husband, and pastor survive; 60 years minimum to possibly life without parole, up to 3 mile radius restraining order.

Scenario #2; 1, 2, or all 3 die of their injuries; the death penalty.

[buck]

Scenarios do we need them?
it's cut and dry

[Preacher]

John1717 wrote:

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God has not allowed them to move on...His Word forbids it!!!
Marriage is a COVENANT FOR LIFE!
http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html
http://www.marriagedivorce.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Marriage is NO COVENANT AT ALL!!! It is IDOLATRY!!! Man has FAILED to replace Satan as Earth's ruler, therefore man has FORFEITTED the covenant of marriage, as well as the right to multiply upon the Earth! I warn EVERYONE!!! Marriage; even a first marriage, is a Continuous, Nonstop State of Idolatry! And all Idolatrers will end up in Hell!

[buck]

preacher man you are a wolf in sheep's clothing
take your pack of lies and get somewhere else.
you don't know NOTHING!! NOTHING AT ALL!

[Luke1618]

Preacher wrote:

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Marriage is NO COVENANT AT ALL!!! It is IDOLATRY!!! Man has FAILED to replace Satan as Earth's ruler, therefore man has FORFEITTED the covenant of marriage, as well as the right to multiply upon the Earth! I warn EVERYONE!!! Marriage; even a first marriage, is a Continuous, Nonstop State of Idolatry! And all Idolatrers will end up in Hell!

Marriage IS A COVENANT...

Malachi 2:14

"You ask,'Why?' It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage COVENANT"

Proverbs 2:16-19

"It [wisdom] will save you also from the adulteress, from the wayward wife with her seductive words, who has left the partner of her youth and ignored the COVENANT she made before God. For her house leads down to death and her paths to the spirits of the dead."

The COVENANT is “till death do you part”...

1 Corinthians 7:39

“A wife is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.”

http://www.cadz.net/mdr.html

http://www.youtube.com/JoshReadVideo

[buck]

thank you Luke1618

[Preacher]

Luke1618 wrote:

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Marriage IS A COVENANT...

Not anymore it's not! It is IDOLATRY!!!(Mark 10:17-31)

Man has FAILED the Lord in the Garden of Eden, straight through Adam and Eve, therefore, man has Permanently FORFEITTED the Covenant of Marriage! It was in fact WRONG for Adam and Eve to even reproduce at all! Look what happened between Cain and Abel! Cain murdered Abel, God had to punish Cain, a couple thousand years later, man became so totally evil that God actually had no choice but to send a huge flood!

Even today, it is preached, straight from Jeremiah, that the human heart is Deceitful above everything and Desparately Evil!

[lastblast]

David Cannon wrote:

Whoever you are, you don't understand repentance and forgiveness. Yes, there is a lot of greasy grace in the Christian world, with a lot of sloppy excuses. But not Sandy and Don. Sandy's broken-hearted repentance permeates her every comment. NOT MANY leaders who have fallen have faced up to as deeply as she has. When I read what a lot of fallen "leaders" and "starts" have to say about what they did, I see glib excuses. When I read what Sandy has to say about her sin, I see genuine repentance and true humility. Anyone who doesn't recognize that shouldn't recognize David's either. I wonder what you'd think of ripping the Psalms out of the Bible and tossing them in the bin.
When a Christian falls, it's a terrible thing, don't get me wrong. The wreckage is terrible. Sandy and Don know that in a way that you may not. I think they also know God's forgiveness in a way that you may not.
David Cannon (Moonlight_Academy_DC@hotmail. com)
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The problem is MOST Christians regarding this ONE sin do not rightly apply repentance. They think if they just feel REALLY bad, publically confess, their adulterous UNION somehow magically turns into a lawful marriage joined by God as One Flesh. Problem is that there is NO scripture to justify this stance. Jesus calls the RELATIONSHIP: adultery. Adultery defined means: to have UNLAWFUL relations with another person's spouse (or to have unlawful relations with one who is NOT your spouse). People seem to believe that having a piece of paper legalizing this ONE sinful relationship gives it validity. Some of the professing Church also believes the same about homosexual marriage. God does not join adulterers as One Flesh any more than He joins homosexuals as One Flesh. Both are UNLAWFUL relationships, not valid, in spite of what man's laws say to the contrary. The early Church taught this truth---that only original marriages were valid, until the death of one of them. How far the professing church has fallen away from the Lord and into grave sin. Those who aren't in this sin, now are approving of it in vast numbers. Sad..........

[lastblast]

JonBoy wrote:

Ah, yes. Right so far. But scriptural context demands that we include the allowance for divorce for the reason of adultery. Adultery trashed the marriage. Divorce is allowed. The marriage is no more. They are no more "one." Each is free to remarry. Repentence is another issue.
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Really? Was Herodias STILL Philip's wife after she committed adultery by divorcing him and marrying Herod? What did John the Baptist say to Herod?

Was the 1st wife still the COVENANT wife even after her husband divorced her and married another woman (Mal 2:9-17)?

Did Paul teach the husband whose wife remarries is now free (and she as well) in Rom. 7:2-3?

Is the wife of Mt. 19:9 (the innocent wife who is wrongly put away) FREE to marry again? What does Jesus say about the man who marries her (even though her 1st husband remarries)?

How about Michal? Did David sin by taking her away from her 2nd husband?(she was an adulteress by definition)

Conclusion: adultery does NOT dissolve, nor give right to dissolve a marriage made one flesh by God---for life. The early church practiced separation of bed and board for UNREPENTANT adultery, but taught the marriage bond STILL endured until death. If the "innocent" one remarried, THEY would become adulterers as well..........just exactly what Jesus and Paul both taught.

[buck]

WTG lastblast thanks for joining in
what kind of christians say any divorce and remarriage is ok and blessed in the sight of GOD?
people are falling away from the truth and that says one thing THE END IS NEAR!

[Preacher]

lastblast wrote:

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Really? Was Herodias STILL Philip's wife after she committed adultery by divorcing him and marrying Herod? What did John the Baptist say to Herod?
Was the 1st wife still the COVENANT wife even after her husband divorced her and married another woman (Mal 2:9-17)?
Did Paul teach the husband whose wife remarries is now free (and she as well) in Rom. 7:2-3?
Is the wife of Mt. 19:9 (the innocent wife who is wrongly put away) FREE to marry again? What does Jesus say about the man who marries her (even though her 1st husband remarries)?
How about Michal? Did David sin by taking her away from her 2nd husband?(she was an adulteress by definition)
Conclusion: adultery does NOT dissolve, nor give right to dissolve a marriage made one flesh by God---for life. The early church practiced separation of bed and board for UNREPENTANT adultery, but taught the marriage bond STILL endured until death. If the "innocent" one remarried, THEY would become adulterers as well..........just exactly what Jesus and Paul both taught.

You better also take a good long look at Mark 10:17-31!
One of the many things Jesus said to give up is your spouse! That means marriage is Idolatry! Anything that comes either before or after God is idolatry! Jesus even says, point blank! It is easier for a CAMEL to fit through the Eye of a NEEDLE than for a rich and/or happy person to enter into Heaven! And in fact, it is even easier for a mosquito to bust through a 1,000+ mile thick wall made of solid cast bronze than it is for any person who has lived a so called "long, happy, and fulfilling life" to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven! That expressively includes those who married!

[lastblast]

Preacher wrote:

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You better also take a good long look at Mark 10:17-31!
One of the many things Jesus said to give up is your spouse! That means marriage is Idolatry! Anything that comes either before or after God is idolatry! Jesus even says, point blank! It is easier for a CAMEL to fit through the Eye of a NEEDLE than for a rich and/or happy person to enter into Heaven! And in fact, it is even easier for a mosquito to bust through a 1,000+ mile thick wall made of solid cast bronze than it is for any person who has lived a so called "long, happy, and fulfilling life" to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven! That expressively includes those who married!

We are told not to ADD to the Word of God, Preacher. Nowhere does the passage about the camel speak of marriage, nor happiness, so I'm not quite sure where you are getting your information. Is it true that we cannot put ANYTHING before Jesus? Yes-----He speaks very clearly of this and that we will lose many precious things in this life, like our close relationships, when we follow Him. However, NOWHERE in all of scripture is marriage called "idolatry". Matter of fact, Jesus used marriage as an illustration of His relationship to the Church/His Body.

I don't know what your situation is but from past experience, usually those who have presented the permanency of marriage as a form of idolatry, it was because they valued God's One flesh with contempt (some were in many different marriages due to their contempt of the biblical marriage covenant). I hope that is not the case with you, or that you believe/teach that ALL should be single and not married, because that too is unbiblical.

[buck]

lastblast my advice to you is ignore this person who calls himself "preacher" he don't know truth.
and he is twisting and turning the word of GOD and that is a sure sign of the devil's advocate.
Let us not give any room to the devil!
and idolatry is a form of worship not marriage duh
worshipping something higher than GOD!
not to say it cannot happen but this preacher person is twisting it all around and the Bible does state in the latter days some will forbid to marry and that my friend lastblast is not of GOD!
food for thought

[Holdin Dons Donkey]

Don's donkey left Anderson once, but he brought it back.

[Sarah]

This is so gross! YOU ARE ALL GOSSIPS! I feel like i walked into a room with... porn or something else slimy. Shut up! Grow up! I heard SP lived in my town now and Googled to find out - oh how i wish they hadn't sent me her to HolierThanThou dot com.

Hopefully you have all found better things to do with yourselves since this, and sometimes i really wonder WHY in the world God bothers to love us when so much of humanity is frankly just disgusting.:(

[Sarah]

buck wrote:

preacher man you are a wolf in sheep's clothing
take your pack of lies and get somewhere else.
you don't know NOTHING!! NOTHING AT ALL!

And you don't know proper grammar.
If you don't know nothing, that means you do know something. Everyone shut up and go study.

[buck]

OK Sarah this is not a school classroom duh
sounds like you dondone the lies of this "preacher man" or are you riding the fence and don't know who's side you're on? Maybe you need more Bible study time. what gives you the right to tell anyone to shut up if we all kept quiet nothing would get done another duh
did you forget "freedom of speech"? chew on that

[Purpleseedling]

Sorry to intrude. I didn't realize this is where the morons hang out.

[buck]

purpleseedling you wasted forum space with that ridiculous comment. go intrude somewhere else and maybe you're the moron go chew on that.
you had nothing to say, really!

[Preacher]

lastblast wrote:

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We are told not to ADD to the Word of God, Preacher. Nowhere does the passage about the camel speak of marriage, nor happiness, so I'm not quite sure where you are getting your information. Is it true that we cannot put ANYTHING before Jesus? Yes-----He speaks very clearly of this and that we will lose many precious things in this life, like our close relationships, when we follow Him. However, NOWHERE in all of scripture is marriage called "idolatry". Matter of fact, Jesus used marriage as an illustration of His relationship to the Church/His Body.
I don't know what your situation is but from past experience, usually those who have presented the permanency of marriage as a form of idolatry, it was because they valued God's One flesh with contempt (some were in many different marriages due to their contempt of the biblical marriage covenant). I hope that is not the case with you, or that you believe/teach that ALL should be single and not married, because that too is unbiblical.

Well then why in blazes did Jesus preach about eunuchs? Even Jesus's own apostles had the idea that it was right to never marry! And when that happened, Jesus exclusively pointed out that there are eunuchs, some of whom even made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven!

The book of 1John even tells us not to love the world, as it is passing away. Marriage is part of the world, and even Jesus said that nobody will be getting married in Heaven (Nobody will be getting married in Hell, either).