Seacliff neighbors sue over county's housing plans

The fight over new housing in this seaside community is hardly over. A group of residents has filed suit against the county for its decision last month to commit four acres of mostly undeveloped land off State Park Drive to high-density, affordable homes.

[FINALLY]

yes, yes, yes!!

Agree Cow!

S c r e w the county and frickin copa!

[realistic]

Yes, everyone knows that the boomer denial of age knows no bounds -- those crazy 85 year old gangsters with their knives and botox and walkers !

[No Projects]

Villa San Carlos, Chestnut Street, The Farm...some of the low income "affordable housing" projects that the socio-engineers built to make themselves feel good. All were inhabited by illegals and anchor babies and gangsters, all are/were a major problem, and do not served the general American public!

Is this what Aptos wants? If it is built, that is EXACTLY what you will get. Better hire more cops and firefighters right now if you plan on building this, because down in the "project" you will have filth and crime pretty darn quickly.

[disabuser and realistic]

Do you honestly think the County is going to live up to the senior housing part of this deal? haha You two are really ignorant..The county will dangle the seniors only carrot then turn around and make it a section 8 breeding ground for resource sucking lazy asses and their little gangster brats.
btw- If you don't live in Aptos then s t f u

[The Attorneys]

EcoPimps, Esq.

[South county resident]

disabuser and realistic wrote:

Do you honestly think the County is going to live up to the senior housing part of this deal? haha You two are really ignorant..The county will dangle the seniors only carrot then turn around and make it a section 8 breeding ground for resource sucking lazy **** and their little gangster brats.
btw- If you don't live in Aptos then s t f u

Who posted this garbage - KSCO caller Harold in Aptos? I don't live in Aptos, but don't expect me or anyone else who doesn't live there to "s t f u". But don't worry, oh witless one, Ellen Pirie and other Mid-county elitists will probably find a way to dump this project on the outskirts of Watsonville like she did by shifting the Par 3 housing project to Atkinson Lane. Just keep piling it on Watsonville with your supervisorial majority, then tsk tsk how poor, crowded and crime-ridden we are.

[Thirsty]

Dear COPA, South Co Housing, Penn Housing and all you idiots who want low income housing in Aptos but don't actually live here-
There are one hundred and one good reasons NOT to build this project but here's one to think about. Take a drive through Aptos (all over the county actually) and look for the signs posted on several corners (Center/State Park for instance) asking US (all of US) to conserve WATER because we currently have a shortage. The water issue is getting worse yet they want to build MORE housing that will use MORE water??? Does that make sense to you?

[MDD]

Yeah, someone with kahonies to stand up to the County !!!

[Brynn]

Get off this arguing about where the housing gets shifted. Government housing projects do not belong ANYWHERE. Especially a Santa Cruz County government housing project.

[siats]

You need to dig deeper. The justifications for the housing expansions are contained in several reports, only some of which are on the counties website. Partial documents. The reasoning was that all the low income housing needed to be done on the coast, because valley towns like soledad had more reasonable housing costs! THis is definitely social engineering to integrate across socioeconomic "classes".

The more interesting thing was that when the county went looking for pay compatibility - they looked at bay area pay like san francisco and san mateo, when they went looking for income and housing comparisons they went to soledad. This is so clearly agenda driven. where are the supes? THe system is very very broken...

Lastly, the county has *never* denied themselves anything when it comes to rezoning. Why wouldn't the counties rezoning requests be denied at the same rate as those done by the public? Clearly *abuse* of power.

[Carl Bendix]

Thirsty wrote:

Dear COPA, South Co Housing, Penn Housing and all you idiots who want low income housing in Aptos but don't actually live here-
There are one hundred and one good reasons NOT to build this project but here's one to think about. Take a drive through Aptos (all over the county actually) and look for the signs posted on several corners (Center/State Park for instance) asking US (all of US) to conserve WATER because we currently have a shortage. The water issue is getting worse yet they want to build MORE housing that will use MORE water??? Does that make sense to you?

Well... it's because they have to satisfy the "Housing Quota" mandated by Sacramento. Our state gubmint dictates how many new units and what type must be built every year in order to accommodate our growing population of low income folks. If they don't, the federal gubmint won't kick down. At some point all this housing mandate business got voted into law (maybe as a rider no one bothered to read). Anyway it makes California a very attractive destination for low income or no income folks.

[Driftwad]

All the county officials want (and cares about)is tax revenue that will flow into their coffers. Seacliff residents may as well give up now because it's going to happen at some point. Sadly.
Look at their stupid tourist railroad idea...the plans are still on the table..and they'll get it because, over time, people will become tired of fighting it. Same with the SeaCliff high density housing plan. The county will have meetings and maybe a few delays but the project will go through...in time!

[siats]

Carl Bendix wrote:

<quoted text>Well... it's because they have to satisfy the "Housing Quota" mandated by Sacramento. Our state gubmint dictates how many new units and what type must be built every year in order to accommodate our growing population of low income folks. If they don't, the federal gubmint won't kick down. At some point all this housing mandate business got voted into law (maybe as a rider no one bothered to read). Anyway it makes California a very attractive destination for low income or no income folks.

I'm pretty sure this is incorrect. See above post. The quotas are spread over santa cruz and Monterrey county. The county decided all the housing need to go on the coast - not the state for the feds. No idea why they linked santa cruz and monterrey. why not santa cruz and santa clara, since thats probably where the most employment exchange occurs.

[Deej]

So the County and State want high density housing in Aptos. I hope the people of Aptos stop this development which will ruin Aptos. Why is it not allowed to build houses anymore? Whats wrong with homes and neighborhoods of family's?

[Paula]

Carl Bendix wrote:

<quoted text>Well... it's because they have to satisfy the "Housing Quota" mandated by Sacramento. Our state gubmint dictates how many new units and what type must be built every year in order to accommodate our growing population of low income folks. If they don't, the federal gubmint won't kick down. At some point all this housing mandate business got voted into law (maybe as a rider no one bothered to read). Anyway it makes California a very attractive destination for low income or no income folks.

I agree it is the the democrats that want the low income housing. I am ok with low income if it goes to retirment people who are on fixed income.

[Pet Kattle]

The State mandate for Counties to build more available housing is not mandatory. It is only mandatory if a County wants to get funds to do so. The poor Counties are going after the funds because they need them. The wealthy Counties say "no, we are not interested" thus not having to build high-density, low-income schlock - which is sure to help degrade their citizens quality of life (i.e.~ all the negatives that come with low-income earners). My hunch is that this is all by design and the areas that are taking the State funds are going to end up being the Barrios communities. So in the long run folks Santa Cruz County seems to have already acknowledged what its future identity is going to be - to take handouts from the State for affordable housing. Of course, the County could say no and develop other means for generating income such as trying to create a 1st rate tourist industry or an international bio-tech hub linking UCSC and all the vacant commercial space. Not going to happen though - I have to train first to swim the Channel and then go throw another roadblock in front of Barry Swenson.

[Keep Up The Fight]

Deej wrote:

So the County and State want high density housing in Aptos. I hope the people of Aptos stop this development which will ruin Aptos. Why is it not allowed to build houses anymore? Whats wrong with homes and neighborhoods of family's?

It's not just Aptos that will suffer the consequences, but the neighboring towns, too. The County is losing much of its charm due to overbuilding. These "affordable" complexes (Cabrillo Commons, Capitola Beach Villas, Atkinson Lane, etc.) are nothing more than feather-in-the-cap panaceas so the Supervisors can say they did something about affordable housing. According to the latest foreclosures, sadly, there are many homes that are going up for auction at "affordable" prices.

More power to this group who have filed suit!

[msm]

Most comments above - sound like a bunch of selfish whiner yelping. "Oh no - the Barrio!" ... racist stuff). Just because you got here a bit earlier - It's now time to lock the gates? Is this project really going to put you out? Really? and now the big concern about water?

[measure J program]

Deej wrote:

So the County and State want high density housing in Aptos. I hope the people of Aptos stop this development which will ruin Aptos. Why is it not allowed to build houses anymore? Whats wrong with homes and neighborhoods of family's?

agree. why not build measure J homes? that way real hard working Americans can buy afford a home below market rate instead of at inflated prices that are usually out of reach. no more high density projects please.

[WONDERING]

msm wrote:

Most comments above - sound like a bunch of selfish whiner yelping. "Oh no - the Barrio!" ... racist stuff). Just because you got here a bit earlier - It's now time to lock the gates? Is this project really going to put you out? Really? and now the big concern about water?

WHERE DO YOU LIVE?