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Since the 1997 international accord to fight global warming, climate change has worsened and accelerated -- beyond some of the grimmest of warnings made back then.
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Darren

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Global warming as a human induced event is not accurate.

This article is a complete fabrication and I do not understand how the DISPATCH could be so ignorant as to make it front page news.

I simply cannot believe the stupidity written in this story.

Since: Aug 08

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Darren wrote:
This article is a complete fabrication.......
During a period of low PDO AND La Nina, AND with the sun radiating at 2 parts per 1000 BELOW normal for a LIFETIME event extending for 2 years.......at the same time, Australia went through 2 summers of very high & record day AND early morning temperatures, the normally sopping Northwest U.S. had 5.5 months of little precipitation AND over-warm temperatures setting highest recorded day & early morning temperatures, AND oceans were recorded at their highest temperatures.

Your post is a complete fabrication.....so much so, that it wasn't worth repeating in its entirety.
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Climate research is important and should continue to be supported, but the scientists are going to need to start a 12 step program to purge themselves of the addiction to be political activists and enablers of politicians who want to regulate daily life.

This is going to be painful to do, but if they do not start this process they will destroy both themselves and those around them.

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And the fear mongering continues. Global Warming has gotten worse even though the global mean temperature had been flat for the last ten years. How's that work?

Oh that right, if it's warming it's man made, if it isn't it is normal variation covering up man made global warming.

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litesong wrote:
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During a period of low PDO AND La Nina, AND with the sun radiating at 2 parts per 1000 BELOW normal for a LIFETIME event extending for 2 years.......at the same time, Australia went through 2 summers of very high & record day AND early morning temperatures, the normally sopping Northwest U.S. had 5.5 months of little precipitation AND over-warm temperatures setting highest recorded day & early morning temperatures, AND oceans were recorded at their highest temperatures.
Your post is a complete fabrication.....so much so, that it wasn't worth repeating in its entirety.
so why did we have 2 years of record breaking rain in the UK after you people predicted the worst drought for centuries? you ecoloonies couldn't predict Christmas with a calendar. Not ONE of Gore's crazy predictions has come true.
Darren

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@litesong:

Seriously, do you have any idea what you're babbling about? If you don't know, and are just trying to repeat the crap you read on some site someplace, don't do it, it makes you sound like a complete dolt.

The fact of the matter is that humans DO NOT consume even a fraction of the energy naturally present (solar and geothermic in origin). Want simple proof? Try lighting your backyard on any given night and see what it takes versus what happens the instant the sun rises in the morning. As such, since the planet is a hybrid closed system, our effect on the climate cannot be as stated or rather as apocalypticasized. And don't give me that balderdash about the buildup of CO2 in the atmosphere over time. First off, it's a trailing indicator not a front runner, and secondly, the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere, even with all of evil modern conveniences, is so small to even be negligible.

The REAL story here is that internal emails of the global warming crowd show that they have been falsifying information for years to promote their scams and social engineering agendas. I like how the DISPATCH runs an article right above this one that seems to show that those emails are something that they're not reported to be. What a crock. If something like that came out about a conservative leaning group, they would immediately taken as fact without so much as stitch of investigation.

Beyond all that, if you really delve into an honest accounting of the "global warming" physics and realities and understand what might occur with a true warming of the environment, you would see that the benefits FAR FAR outweigh any supposed negatives. IN FACT, the benefits are such that we as a species should be striving to create global warming instead of eschewing it.
Darren

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Say litehouse?

Can you tell me your opinion of what should be done to stop that evil GHG (greenhouse gas) di-hydrogen monoxide?

It has a much greater capacity of retaining heat yet we hear more about CO2 on average. Tell me what we should reduce those levels to?

And what of methane? It's a vastly greater retainer of heat. And its' levels have gone up more than CO2.

Amazing that the idiots in congress, following the lead of the Goreacle, want to use this lie to tax the batcrap out of all of us.
throw them out

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It is now clear that all of this climate-change hysteria is exaggerated if not faked, a pseudoscientific Reichstag fire intended to justify the imposition of one-world government, socialist economics and the dictatorship of an oligarchy of professors, starlets and pompous gasbag politicians. Documentary proof that climate data has been manipulated and even made up has now been produced, and it is time to unmask these frauds and remember the admonition ofr Czech president Vaclav Klaus that Green is the new Red.

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

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EMAIL #1120593115:

"From: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
To: John Christy <john.christy@nsstc.uah.edu >
Subject: This and that
Date: Tue Jul 5 15:51:55 2005

John,
There has been some email traffic in the last few days to a week - quite
a bit really, only a small part about MSU. The main part has been one of
your House subcommittees wanting Mike Mann and others and IPCC
to respond on how they produced their reconstructions and how IPCC
produced their report.
In case you want to look at this see later in the email !

Also this load of rubbish !

This is from an Australian at BMRC (not Neville Nicholls). It began from the attached

article. What an idiot.

**********

The SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY WOULD COME DOWN ON ME IN NO
UNCERTAIN TERMS IF I SAID THE WORLD HAD COOLED FROM 1998.

OK IT HAS BUT IT IS ONLY 7 YEARS OF DATA AND IT ISN'T STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT.

**********

The Australian also alerted me to this blogging ! I think this is the term ! Luckily I don't live in Australia."
Bill

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Dispatch...How can you print a front-page story tht essentially says that global warming is a done deal and scare people with a lead statement that spells doom and gloom without also publishing data and conclusions from scientists on the other side of the issue, and there are many of them. Just not very good journalistic integrity, unless of course this is actually an editorial and you are taking sides on the issue. If so, PUT IT IN THE EDITORIAL SECTION WHERE IT BELONGS AND SAY THAT THIS IS THE DISPATCH"S POSITION!!! Thank you.
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Gore Blimey wrote:
........ 2 years of record breaking rain in the UK........
AGW theory predicts warming oceans leading to greater precipitation.
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/vie...
Oregon,alone is the size of the U.K. Australia is 30 times the size of the U.K. Of course, the oceans are 1000 times the area of the U.K.
So you're self-righteous for a tiny area of the Earth.

“Team YOU'RE D.E.N.I.E.D.”

Since: Oct 09

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This is pretty obviously the same station (well OK.. apart from the duff early period, but I've
got used to that now). But look at the longitude! That's probably 20km! LUckily I selected
'Update wins' and so the metadata aren't compared. This is still going to take ages, because although
I can match WMO codes (or should be able to), I must check that the data correlate adequately - and
for all these stations there will be questions. I don't think it would be a good idea to take the
usual approach of coding to avoid the situation, because (a) it will be non-trivial to code for, and
(b) not all of the situations are the same. But I am beginning to wish I could just blindly merge
based on WMO code.. the trouble is that then I'm continuing the approach that created these broken
databases. Look at this one:
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Here, the expected 1990-2003 period is MISSING - so the correlations aren't so hot! Yet
the WMO codes and station names /locations are identical (or close).

What the hell is
supposed to happen here? Oh yeah - there is no 'supposed', I can make it up. So I have :-)

If an update station matches a 'master' station by WMO code, but the data is unpalatably
inconsistent, the operator is given three choices:

<BEGIN QUOTE>
You have failed a match despite the WMO codes matching.
This must be resolved!! Please choose one:

1. Match them after all.
2. Leave the existing station alone, and discard the update.
3. Give existing station a false code, and make the update the new WMO station.

Enter 1,2 or 3:
<END QUOTE>

You can't imagine what this has cost me - to actually allow the operator to assign false
WMO codes!!

But what else is there in such situations? Especially when dealing with a 'Master'
database of dubious provenance

(which, er, they all are and always

will be)."
Earthling

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Lightsout continues to spread his wisdom as his one good leg is about to give way under the strain.

Hey, lightsout, isn't it time you learned to read?
You could then discover that your beloved church of Glowbull Whining is about to close its doors and leave its congregation out in the cold.
So it's back to the teepee for you.
Darren

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@litehouse:

Seriously, can you please type things that are cogent so that we might better be able to understand your points?

To mention that AGW theory predicts something is a relatively moot point. AGW theory has at one time or another predicted the following:

More Hurricanes
Less Hurricanes
More Tornadoes
Less Tornadoes
More Rain
Less Rain
Drought
Flooding
Higher Temps
Lower Temps (I know, I don't get it either)
More Snow
Less Snow
Higher Oceans Levels
Lower Ocean Levels
More Wind
Less Wind
More Severe Storms
Less Severe Storms
More Cloudy Days
Less Cloudy Days
More Pests
Less Pests
More Trees
Less Trees
More Humans
Less Humans

I think that about covers it. No matter what happens, or doesn't happen, or what might happen, or what might not happen, AGW theory has a prediction for it. I'm not kidding here. All of these things listed above at one time or another have been claimed to be the direct result of AGW. In some cases, two rather contradictory items have been mentioned in the same paragraph.

Tough to be wrong when you cover all the bases.
Just The Facts

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Guess what? We're all going to die, anyway. And our children, too. Life doesn't last forever. People age and die. The earth changes and goes through cycles. Quit freaking out!
Tom Karasek

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The promulgation of deliberate falsehoods by the far right has become a flood and far too many people think there must be some truth in it all, when there is little or none.
People now think global warming is real but many think it is part of a natural cycle. And carbon dioxide increase is confused with global warming even though there is no explanation for it except man.
All we moderates can do is talk it up between friends, but I'm convinced that doing so is a powerful force.
Darren

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@Tom:

Care to enlighten us with just a single deliberate falsehood put forth by the far right?

And, by your own comment, you need to ensure that said falsehood is deliberate.

Actually, there are lots of explanations for CO2 increase that do not involve human society.

If you're ignorant about the facts maybe you ought not talk among your friends unless you are doing so deliberately.
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Tom Karasek wrote:
All we moderates can do is talk it up between friends, but I'm convinced that doing so is a powerful force.
We've been trying very hard to do that for years, but mostly all we ever get for our painstaking efforts are insults and alarmists, telling us, "you don't know science."
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I guess if a hoax starts falling apart, there is no other choice than to pile on wild unproven claims to try fanning the fire again. Meterologists can't predict the weather with total accuracy from one week to the next, let alone predict the whole earth's climate, or man's effect on it. Wasn't it back in '79 that the earth was cooling & we wouldn't be able to grow enough food to survive? The polar bears have increased in numbers by the way. Just one example of the lies spread in this hoax.

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Earthling wrote:
We've been trying very hard to..........
,,,,,,,,,,to be pukey proud racist pigs, & dirtling, earthling has no brain, eart hling (alien with no affinity to Earth),'injun killer'(with no love of humans) is a specially low product of broken AGW denier morality. Here are pukey proud denier dirtling's racist & lying words proving dirtling's continuous guilt:

So it's back to the teepee for you. He no like transplanted euro injun killers. Lightsout have problem, jealous of mememine69, lightsout not get enough sex, maybe needs Bi-Lateral Orchiectomy, that solve problem, but may give him high pitched voice, can join tribal choir as soprano. Lightsout envious of Brian_G, lightsout not invited to belong to anyone's gang, lightsout sad person. Lightsout think Exxon bad medicine, he no understand way of world or how some of his tribe managed to learn to use internet. Lightsout very sad person. Lightsout have problem with humour, he no understand it. Lightsout think all world against him. Lightsout believe euro bad people, he no understand accident of birth theory. Lightsout put wrong baccy in peace pipe, drink bad firewater, make head fuzzy. Lightsong need visit medicine man, drive out evil spirits. Lightsong, him not religious man, he no understand forgiveness, only fear and hate.

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