Vatican slams 'deviant' Twilight

Nov 21, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: PR-inside.com

But the worldwide hype, along with masses of hysterical teenage fans, has drawn criticism from the Vatican, with officials urging parents to be more vigilant about the type of films their children are watching.

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Heather

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Nov 21, 2009
 

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"This film is nothing more than a moral vacuum with a deviant message and as such should be of concern."
I think that is more dependant on the people themselves rather than what it is they're watching.
Parents need to be more vigilant over how their child in interpreting the film, not the film itself. If it disillusions teenagers - and adults - into a romanticised view of the profane and draws them to esoteric magic, that's the individual. They're what needs to be regarded.

I have enjoyed The Twilight Saga and am not disillusioned. I, like many, can take a step back and assess things as a whole.

What they're saying will merely invoke criticism and is illustrative of the Church shunning things based on appearence without this level of thought. They would be a lot more respected if they tackled these considerations.

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Nov 21, 2009
 
Romans have twisted truth and fantasy for so long, now they can't tell which is which.........
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I read the books and intend to see all the movies. I enjoyed the story, although it wasn't a particularly original or clever plot. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. But the level of obsession I have observed in several of my daughter's friends is unhealthy. While the story is a decent beach read for a mature adult, judging by the legions of pre-adolescents who have found themselves "in love" with a fictional vampire, it is above the fiction-tolerance threshold for many of the children who have read it. While the Church may have been too hasty in censoring the book completely, no parent should give this book to his child without first reading it, because who knows better than a parent, what is good for a child?
Heather

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Nov 22, 2009
 
I totally agree. They do illustrate the phrase compulsively readable in my opinion. I couldn't put them down. I think it's because they focus more on the emotion and the feelings that are mutual with girls and women rather than the story itself. Edward seems like a very fatherly character to me as a lover, and I think girls really like that because he's not controlling either.:o) Luckily, I'm not in love with him though!
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When parents read and love stories about witches and demon spirits, magic and sorceries, and allow their children to read things that are condemned in the Bible, like Harry Potter and now the Vampire series, all the spriritistic movies and novels, you can only expect more horrible crimes and immoral conduct from the younger generation, the older generation is already corrupted morally, and messed up mentally. This is why this world is going to be destroyed very soon by Jesus King of heaven and ruling in righteousness.
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Nov 22, 2009
 
Martha,

1) Your premise (that Harry Potter and the Vampire series are condemned in the Bible and corrupt the youth) is patently ridiculous. The Bible does not condemn fiction. Jesus Himself taught with parables. What you are forgetting is that Harry Potter and the Vampire books are just fiction. Real magic and sorcery are not ok, because the Bible says they do not come from God, and therefore they must come from the devil. But stories about it, as long as they are only stories, aren't corrupting the youth. Harry Potter is a story where good triumphs over evil, and where love overcomes greed. That's what it teaches, not witchcraft. No one actually believes there is a Hogwarts or a Dumbledore or a Voldemort.
1b) I will concede, perhaps, that the Vampire series is a bit risque, and that sort of immorality is certainly condemned in the Bible. However, considering what today's youth are exposed to walking down any given street, I suspect a bit of softcore vampire romance won't significantly heighten their chances of being sucked into any "immoral conduct." In any event, if your children's faith is so shaky that reading the Twighlight series will lead them into adultery, you are remiss in your duties as a Christian parent. You should get off the internet and spend some time with them.

2) Your conclusion (That Jesus will come destroy the world because He is angry we let our kids read fantasy) does not logically follow, even if, ad arguendum, we accept your premise. God doesn't interfere on that level.(Note, as evidence of that, historical "horrible crimes" which did not result in the second coming: Roman persucution of the Christians, Christian persecution of the Jews, the Holocaust, the development and use of atomic and neuclear weapons, genocide in Rwanda, genocide in Darfur, 9/11...the list goes on) Jesus will come and rule the world in glory and righteousness, but not because of anything mankind does. To suggest that Twighlight will hasten his coming not only cheapens God, but elevates a silly novel far beyond where it belongs.

3) Your argument was badly presented. Your high school English teacher must be rolling over in his grave. To help you in the future, I have compiled a list of your mechanical shortcomings, complete with detailed explanations of the rules you have violated.
a) "...from the younger generation, the older generation is already..." should be "...from the younger generation; the older generation is already..." You cannot join to independant clauses with only a comma, as you did there. You must use a semicolon, a comma and a conjunction, or somehow subordinate one of the clauses.
b) "...corrupted morally, and messed up mentally" should be "corrupted morally and messed up mentally". You don't need a comma there because commas separate items in a series and two items do not constitute a series.(Note the comma-less two-item series in the above sentence)
c)"Jesus King of Heaven" should be "Jesus, King of Heaven," because King of Heaven is an appositive to Jesus, and appositive phrases (i.e. appositives comprised of more than one word) must be separated from the noun they modify by a comma.
d)"...and ruling in righteousness." That's wrong. It's so wrong, in fact, that I'm not quite sure what you were trying to do with it, so I can't even offer you any help with it. From context, I suspect you meant, "who will rule in righteousness," but I can't tell.

In conclusion, your argument is poorly presented and inherently flawed. Blind condemnation of anything that might vagely be a threat to Christianity is the reason people don't like Christians. People like you give us all a bad name. Go home, read some theology, and rethink your faith. Then, when you have some constructive, well-thought-out comments to make, make them, grammar-check them, and post them. Until then, for the love of God,(and I mean that quite literally) don't post.
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Nov 22, 2009
 
Hey, talk about your deviants!!

Well if they were no so culpable themselves-they might be listened to.

They burned those bridges willingly and methodically.

How dare they!!

You cannot un -ring those bells.
Hells bells.
Heather

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Nov 23, 2009
 
Martha wrote:
When parents read and love stories about witches and demon spirits, magic and sorceries, and allow their children to read things that are condemned in the Bible, like Harry Potter and now the Vampire series, all the spriritistic movies and novels, you can only expect more horrible crimes and immoral conduct from the younger generation, the older generation is already corrupted morally, and messed up mentally. This is why this world is going to be destroyed very soon by Jesus King of heaven and ruling in righteousness.
Summer has just summed up everything that came to mind when I read your post, Martha =D

Your post suggests that "horrible crimes and immoral conduct" are a consequence of this type of teenage fiction. That would completely undermine the heavily Christian morality expressed within these books. From redemption to a purity vow and much more. It was recently reported that these books have encouraged more girls to wait until marriage before sex.

Plus, there is a recent case (here in England) of a bunch of youths who tormented a woman and her disabled children until she committed suicide. It's not unreasonable to doubt these children would have spent their spare time delving into novels of any kind. It came from the upbringing these children had. It came from their parents inability to curb their behaviour.
If young girls a dabbling in magic because of the fiction they have read, then clearly that it an issue to do with them - not their books.
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Nov 23, 2009
 
It's not just magic that is concerning the Vatican. They have been ok with the last Harry Potter movie and Dan Brown's Angels and Demons. The Vatican is worried about the obsession level of this book that contains large amounts of lust (Jacob/Edward) and yes magic. I really don't think they care much about magic, just the overall plot of the book. It's not very moral through and through.
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Tyler wrote:
It's not just magic that is concerning the Vatican. They have been ok with the last Harry Potter movie and Dan Brown's Angels and Demons. The Vatican is worried about the obsession level of this book that contains large amounts of lust (Jacob/Edward) and yes magic. I really don't think they care much about magic, just the overall plot of the book. It's not very moral through and through.
They were concerned about Harry Potter and the books have caused an uproar with Christian groups because of esoteric magic and an interest in the supernatural.
The good vampires in the book are against the killing of humans and believe human life is sacred and Christian morality plays a big part in it.

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Nov 23, 2009
 
When I go to the movies I don't look for any messages other than "this movie is for your entertainment and enjoyment."
These religious people would try to make a case that the very air that everyone breathes is evil.
I say that since movies are just for entertainment then watch what you like.
I for one don't care for this young fad in movies and tv shows that they remake.
Next thing we know,Hollywood will remake the movie about General Patton instead of being old like he was in the time of WWII Hollywood will have Patton portrayed by a guy about the age of 25,ranting,cussing and being a SOB towards everybody like he was in the original.
One day the next James Bond movie will be portrayed by a 20 some year old guy that looks inexperienced instead of a guy in his 40's that shows experience in his field.
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If you are entertained by what God condemns, you are doing Satans will. The Bible is clear to a Christians conduct.

(Deuteronomy 18:10-13). . .There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, 11 or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God.
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(Ephesians 5:3-5) 3 Let fornication and uncleanness of every sort or greediness not even be mentioned among YOU, just as it befits holy people; 4 neither shameful conduct nor foolish talking nor obscene jesting, things which are not becoming, but rather the giving of thanks. 5 For YOU know this, recognizing it for yourselves, that no fornicator or unclean person or greedy person—which means being an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of the Christ and of God.
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Nov 27, 2009
 
Martha wrote:
If you are entertained by what God condemns, you are doing Satans will. The Bible is clear to a Christians conduct.
(Deuteronomy 18:10-13)...There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, 11 or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God.
Martha, I don't understand how anything you've quoted corresponds with these books. There is no divination or practicing of magic in them. These are accusations with little supporting them. The only magical powers are those which are possessed by the characters as natural gifts.

There is no fornication but the characters do not have sex until marriage, so the book (being written by a Christian author) upholds the importance of virture.

Murders are rejected and human life comes to be held as sacred by the vampires who hunt animals instead.

I think most books these days portray imperfect or apathetic characters who are materialist, proud, fornicaters and are not in pursuit of peace. Why is the attack always on fantasy even when it doesn't oppose Christanity?

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Martha wrote:
If you are entertained by what God condemns, you are doing Satans will. The Bible is clear to a Christians conduct.
(Deuteronomy 18:10-13). . .There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer, 11 or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead. 12 For everybody doing these things is something detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable things Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you. 13 You should prove yourself faultless with Jehovah your God.
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