Killing the white man's red man

The Senate Committee on Indian Affairs this month passed a resolution apologizing to all Indian nations for violence perpetrated by citizens of the United States of America. Full Story
Reality

United States

#24 Aug 23, 2009
Doinky wrote:
How about acknowledging the systemic rape of native culture and RIP OFF of Native assets, crooked dealings from day one. Put us on a Rez, then kick us off, then the invaders decide who still has enough blood to be recognized as a tribe and who is not.
You OWE us. You have handed us the worst your culture has to offer and still we survive. Time to OWN your systemic disenfranchisement, poverty and genocidal acts.
IHS was sterilizing Native women in the 1970's for no other reason than to drop the Native birth rate. Women were sterilized without their knowledge or consent, women were sterilized while undergoing other procedures. For us, the US has been like Hitler - reservations not concentration camps, poverty and discrimmination, not jobs and dignity.
Time for you to OWN it. You survived and prospered by using and abusing us.
500 years' worth of guilt and shame to catch up on, people. 500 years of Reality Check. The only reason you tolerat Nates now is commodif*ckation - we make stuff you can sell so you can show off how 'genuine' you are.
Y'all can stay down on your knees begging your fantasy daddy in the sky for 'forgiveness'.
I ain't gonna give it to you.
You've got the professional victim act down perfect.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#25 Aug 23, 2009
Doinky wrote:
How about acknowledging the systemic rape of native culture and RIP OFF of Native assets, crooked dealings from day one. Put us on a Rez, then kick us off, then the invaders decide who still has enough blood to be recognized as a tribe and who is not.
You OWE us. You have handed us the worst your culture has to offer and still we survive. Time to OWN your systemic disenfranchisement, poverty and genocidal acts.
IHS was sterilizing Native women in the 1970's for no other reason than to drop the Native birth rate. Women were sterilized without their knowledge or consent, women were sterilized while undergoing other procedures. For us, the US has been like Hitler - reservations not concentration camps, poverty and discrimmination, not jobs and dignity.
Time for you to OWN it. You survived and prospered by using and abusing us.
500 years' worth of guilt and shame to catch up on, people. 500 years of Reality Check. The only reason you tolerat Nates now is commodif*ckation - we make stuff you can sell so you can show off how 'genuine' you are.
Y'all can stay down on your knees begging your fantasy daddy in the sky for 'forgiveness'.
I ain't gonna give it to you.
Ugh. Doinky go on warpath.

We no have guilt.

Join us or die fighting us.
WoZ

Oakland, CA

#26 Aug 23, 2009
greenday wrote:
Hmm, what about the violence perpetrated by indigenous peoples on settlers, trappers, and those just passing through? Do we get an apology from the tribes?
Nope !!!

Should have read the NO trespassing sign
yahdilah

Santa Fe, NM

#27 Aug 23, 2009
I thought that we americans were all over the race issue. everyone here is just too scary, makes me afraid and ashamed to be an american. I think that we all should be more concerned with our fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, uncles and aunties, and even grandparents who are fighting for our country, and who are fighting for all of us AMERICANS whether we are black, brown, yellow and white.
so get over yourselfs and PRAY FOR OUR TROOPS ACROSS THE OCEAN FIGHTING TO PRESERVE AND COUNTRY.
Koko

Santa Fe, NM

#28 Aug 23, 2009
Sure is alot of anger, what's done is done. I think the feds should have nothing to do with native american tribes, let them become their own soveirgn nations and stay out of it. I don't also don't apologize for something I didn't do, I didn't kill them, push them off their land I didn't so no apology.
Felipe

Albuquerque, NM

#29 Aug 23, 2009
I have heard on PBS (Chanel 5) that all the folks that are described as "American Indian" originally came across the ice bridge "Bering Strait" and colonized all North America and South America from Mongolia. Is this actually true? Did they really attack each other? Or, were they they really all peaceful and stuff?

Jane (my daughter) wants to Know the actual truth.
NMlocal

Seattle, WA

#30 Aug 24, 2009
Felipe wrote:
I have heard on PBS (Chanel 5) that all the folks that are described as "American Indian" originally came across the ice bridge "Bering Strait" and colonized all North America and South America from Mongolia. Is this actually true? Did they really attack each other? Or, were they they really all peaceful and stuff?
Jane (my daughter) wants to Know the actual truth.
Topix is not the appropriate location to get the 'actual truth,' especially about such a sensitive topic.

From what I understand, there are current ancestry studies based on genetic analysis that make this assumption (about NA coming across the Bering Strait). However, we understand very little about human ancestry based on genetics because the field is so new. Ancestry is based on statistics and the output is only as good as the information available and put in.

The study that made these claims was completed at ASU. The investigators WRONGLY used the DNA of a single Native American tribe for their study - there is now and enormous lawsuit against ASU for using their DNA.

Not only would Native Americans deny this claim but the investigators are limited in making this claim and can only make assumptions.
jazzjude

Syracuse, NY

#31 Aug 24, 2009
Well, my goodness doinky, then I won't bother apologizing. Round and round we go, where we stop nobody knows.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#32 Aug 24, 2009
I wonder what percentage of Indian women prefer the white man's world over the old ways of life.

Ugh. Doinky dumb. He go on warpath, white man sneak into village and tell Indian woman how pretty she is.
kinajin

Hazen, ND

#33 Aug 24, 2009
It never happened Green Day. But believing lies is what 'whites' do. :-)
walatowa

Albuquerque, NM

#34 Aug 24, 2009
Doinky said it! I'm saying SCREW your Doctrines of Discovery, your Papal Cateri Bulls--- from European religious fanatics! I pray our 40-60 million ancestors, Indigenous People you genocided comes back to haunt you America! Just like empires die so will America because of their greed, guilt and shame "if" you do not correct your wrongs to Indigenous populations this country is responsible for! America is in serios denial. I pave the way! It's a matter of time! I may not live to see it but my children and their children will know the truth and will expose the truth about America. Fix your past America or you will never survive your atrocities!
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#35 Aug 24, 2009
elvatoloco wrote:
<quoted text>You native americans think the people of the world owe you something. Until recently your casinos and the caretaking of "motherearth" is appalling. I am an American and I refuse to be included in this blanket apology. Natives continue to the victims of the past, time to grow people. My culture owes you nothing and as history unfolds, it seems that your spiritual values are going out the window by establishing "gaming" as a way of life.
wow... here is an immigrant from the eastern eurpoe that don't like to aplogize... prolly a decendant from the nazi party... his family prolly came here to avoid persecution.... hiding from the real truth back home, huh???? fraking loser....
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#36 Aug 24, 2009
greenday wrote:
<quoted text>
A stone age culture, meets a culture from the enlightenment.
The hunter gatherers/ raiders couldn't respect the rights of pioneering peoples to pass through. And paid for it with new structures imposed upon their way of life. Whether this is right or wrong, we debate it now.
This is the history of the modern world, and all history for that matter.
More advanced cultures overcome, absorb, and subsume those more primitive.
In the future, our culture and society will no doubt be absorbed by others.
It is evolution.
Are you part of the change, or left to your prayer beads?
The borg always wins.
you say the more advanced culture oversomes???? so i guess that is the reason we failed in vietnam or the current war in middle east... we are sure kicking those arabs buts... yeah the ones with outdated arms and intellingence...yeah the same ones who attacked us on 9/11.... you are so narrow minded person and can't see everything as a whole... without us natives to guide the clueless lewis and clark... you wouldn't have conquered the west so easily.... and the structures bulit??? WTF is that all about... you think cuz you have all the money in the world entitles you to everything... guess what, once all of the resources are gone and the economic giant falls, who will be living in the 18th century again??? gud luck settler, i hope you survive.... cuz i kno we can... hahaha
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#37 Aug 24, 2009
Very Concerned Citizen wrote:
why are we always apologizing to the friggin indians????
why doesn't pojoaque pueblo (who maybe aren't even REAL indians) apologize to the
"white man" who are part of their b****** lawsuit for water???? they b i t ched and moaned for YEARS that there wasn't enough water.. yet they built a hilton hotel and 2 18 hole golf courses in the desert!
if the indians apologize to me? then i will apologize to them... otherwise... screw you cochise.. we duke it out on the plains.
yo transplabnt in santa fe... i suggest that you say that comment to all of the people selling at the portal and see who walks out from the plaza... i suggest you move back to where ever you came from and smell the roses there... no one asked you to move out here... prollyt a fake a** santa fean who thinks they know everything bout NM... so hey bring it and i will add to my scalp collection... HAHAHA
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#38 Aug 24, 2009
Arnoldo wrote:
Also,Not all native tribes have casinos.And no we don't get checks from the Govt. every month like some idiots think! And yes we pay taxes!
yeah these checks go to the trailer trash peeps living in the midwest and to the illegal aliens who are living everywhere in the us.... haha
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#39 Aug 24, 2009
Toucan Tango wrote:
The Indians were saved from decimation by inter-tribal massacres when the peoples from the West took control of the Americas. The "white man" also saved the extiction of several species due to the practices of Indians (most notably the buffalo).
You're welcome.
oh really, and do you think why the speices dwindled so low???? oh thts right, the white settlers killing off everything in sight... for what??? the skins and the tounges of these animals... where us ndns would use everything the animal offered... so i think it was out of guilt that the "white man" saved the buffalo, so they can say... ummm what you just said... freaking fool... learn your history b4 you get on here and start prreaching your retard opinions you have... haha
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#40 Aug 24, 2009
Reality wrote:
<quoted text>
You've got the professional victim act down perfect.
yeah next time well get a high priced lawyer from Cali to take you punk a**es to court and well be living in your homes soon... so pack up your s**t and get the landing right... India.... now you will kno how it feels being shipped round the world with thousands of you dorks in a ship destined to paradise... don't jump ship cuz dem sharks in the indian ocean luv pink meat.... LOL
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#41 Aug 24, 2009
Koko wrote:
Sure is alot of anger, what's done is done. I think the feds should have nothing to do with native american tribes, let them become their own soveirgn nations and stay out of it. I don't also don't apologize for something I didn't do, I didn't kill them, push them off their land I didn't so no apology.
but you are living on lands that used to belong to the indian tribes... no matter your part, every race haas it low points and for the most part... the US is winning in that catagory....
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#42 Aug 24, 2009
Felipe wrote:
I have heard on PBS (Chanel 5) that all the folks that are described as "American Indian" originally came across the ice bridge "Bering Strait" and colonized all North America and South America from Mongolia. Is this actually true? Did they really attack each other? Or, were they they really all peaceful and stuff?
Jane (my daughter) wants to Know the actual truth.
then i suggest you follow the so called route from mongolia and see waht you find... but i doubt you will be able to cross the bridage cuz i think it has melted away... mayb well see you the next ice age.... lol
casper

Albuquerque, NM

#43 Aug 24, 2009
Dave Nelson wrote:
I wonder what percentage of Indian women prefer the white man's world over the old ways of life.
Ugh. Doinky dumb. He go on warpath, white man sneak into village and tell Indian woman how pretty she is.
prolly so, especially wen you use your cash crop and meth to seduce the women to go with you.... or the lies that she will live a better life in espanola... give me a break, i rather live on the rez then to live in a third world town.... we should have just kept your people out of here the first time round, but i guess feeling sorry for you was our mistake... but next time will be very different.... pack dem lowriders up cuz you going back across the border....lol

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