Let's stay in the 'real world' when d...

Let's stay in the 'real world' when discussing real issues

There are 28 comments on the Asheville Citizen-Times story from May 7, 2009, titled Let's stay in the 'real world' when discussing real issues. In it, Asheville Citizen-Times reports that:

Regarding the letter, 'Consider the greater good in the interrogation debate,' : Hey, torture works for Jack Bauer in '24' and for Liam Neeson in 'Taken,' so we should do it in real life, right? Heaven forbid we should listen to trained interrogators, who say coerced information is less reliable than that obtained by other means.

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CJOHNNY

Hickory, NC

#1 May 8, 2009
What the public needs to listen to is: Let the military do their job and getting info should be classified.

PERIOD
jimbo6096

Arden, NC

#3 May 8, 2009
P.O.W.s are a military concern noy a civilian one.Civilian interferance has causeed thousands of lives ovre the 100 years we have been under the Geneva Convention.It has extended every war we have been in thereby increasing the inhumanity of them.The best way to get information from an Islamist is to put an x of pigs blood on his head ,point your pistol and cock it.We courtmarshaled a soulder for putting pig gease on his bullets. We should have followed his example.bioth wars wuold be over now and the inhumanity ended.
alekas

Glen Ellyn, IL

#4 May 8, 2009
this letter makes about the most illiterate point regarding harsh tactics on record. Who has even thought about, let alone discussed, the use of the tactics seen on tv and in the movies where terror detainees are concerned? That discussion is confined to waterboarding, who definition remains very much a matter of opinion rather than fact.

This writer attempts to continue the tactic of howling 'torture' long enough and hoping that, with the help of some outlandish comparisons, her opinion will transform into fact. The Liam Neeson character, by the way, used certain tactics in attempting to find his daughter. Show me the parent who wouldn't do whatever was necessary to rescue a kidnapped child.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#5 May 8, 2009
CJOHNNY wrote:
What the public needs to listen to is: Let the military do their job and getting info should be classified.
PERIOD
We should not torture. PERIOD!
jimbo6096

Arden, NC

#6 May 8, 2009
tarheelborn wrote:
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We should not torture. PERIOD!
Tell us that when the nukes are falling on your head.
Tom Sullivan

Maxton, NC

#7 May 8, 2009
FM 2-22.3 HUMAN INTELLIGENCE COLLECTOR OPERATIONS

5-75. If used in conjunction with intelligence interrogations, prohibited actions include, but are not limited to—
•Forcing the detainee to be naked, perform sexual acts, or pose in a sexual manner.
•Placing hoods or sacks over the head of a detainee; using duct tape over the eyes.
•Applying beatings, electric shock, burns, or other forms of physical pain.
•“Waterboarding.”
•Using military working dogs.
•Inducing hypothermia or heat injury.
•Conducting mock executions.
•Depriving the detainee of necessary food, water, or medical care.

5.77.[...]
CAUTION: Although no single comprehensive source defines impermissible coercion, certain acts are clearly prohibited. Certain prohibited physical coercion may be obvious, such as physically abusing the subject of the screening or interrogation. Other forms of impermissible coercion may be more subtle, and may include threats to turn the individual over to others to be abused; subjecting the individual to impermissible humiliating or degrading treatment; implying harm to the individual or his property. Other prohibited actions include implying a deprivation of applicable protections guaranteed by law because of a failure to cooperate; threatening to separate parents from their children; or forcing a protected person to guide US forces in a dangerous area. Where there is doubt, you should consult your supervisor or servicing judge advocate.

Since: Oct 08

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#8 May 8, 2009
jimbo6096 wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us that when the nukes are falling on your head.
So, I guess your more of an expert on the subject of torture than an ex-CIA agent who clearly states that it does not work?

It certainly feels like nukes are falling on my head each and every time I read one of your responses.
alekas

Glen Ellyn, IL

#9 May 8, 2009
tarheelborn wrote:
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We should not torture. PERIOD!
so far, it remains debatable whether the tactics used constitute torture. A batch of lawyers, asked to give an opinion, did not summarily decide "it's illegal, but who cares" and approve the use of harsh tactics.

On a broader front, the majority would agree with you, that we should not adopt the tactics used by the jihadists. But many would disagree with you regarding a characterization of water torture. Once again, this is a policy decision and the Obama administration has decided on a different policy.

I can disagree all day long, but that is the president's prerogative. Even if something bad happens as a result of the policy, bad does not equal illegal when the issue is one of policy.
Local-not-Local

Spartanburg, SC

#10 May 8, 2009
jimbo6096 wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us that when the nukes are falling on your head.
Who would Jesus, torture, jimbo? You always go on about how we should be like Him. So who would He torture? You need to reconcile your disparate passions, boy.
jimbo6096

Arden, NC

#11 May 8, 2009
alekas wrote:
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so far, it remains debatable whether the tactics used constitute torture. A batch of lawyers, asked to give an opinion, did not summarily decide "it's illegal, but who cares" and approve the use of harsh tactics.
On a broader front, the majority would agree with you, that we should not adopt the tactics used by the jihadists. But many would disagree with you regarding a characterization of water torture. Once again, this is a policy decision and the Obama administration has decided on a different policy.
I can disagree all day long, but that is the president's prerogative. Even if something bad happens as a result of the policy, bad does not equal illegal when the issue is one of policy.
I was arunt as a child. thye first thing Ilearned is ther is no such thingb as a fair fight.If you need an equilizer get one ,if you don't get one.
bruce wayne

Hendersonville, NC

#12 May 8, 2009
The letter writer is the typical liberal touchy, feel good nieve peacenik. They spout off from the mouth things about which they know nothing and can't understand why we won't go along with their theory. If interrogation of enemies that are willing to strap bombs on their children, parents and themselves to kill as many of us as possible includes what these airheads call torture, then I say torture them. There is no reasoning with people like this. To think otherwise is plain stupid. I guess we will have to suffer more 9/11 attacks to realize just what a bunch of morons we now have making the laws in this country. I'm not sure they would change if we lost a million people.
Citizen Blogger X

United States

#13 May 8, 2009
alekas wrote:
this letter makes about the most illiterate point regarding harsh tactics on record. Who has even thought about, let alone discussed, the use of the tactics seen on tv and in the movies where terror detainees are concerned? That discussion is confined to waterboarding, who definition remains very much a matter of opinion rather than fact.
This writer attempts to continue the tactic of howling 'torture' long enough and hoping that, with the help of some outlandish comparisons, her opinion will transform into fact. The Liam Neeson character, by the way, used certain tactics in attempting to find his daughter. Show me the parent who wouldn't do whatever was necessary to rescue a kidnapped child.
It would have to take an illiterate to understand an illiterate point I guess but make no mistake that waterboarding is a crime not opinion , It is fact in Civil,Military, and international law, Only those guilty and those who appease it wish it to be opinion .
You're a real work of art ! You lash out at the writer for exposing the use of torture on TV and movies as reason for using it in real life which posters right here have done as "Outlandish" Then in the very next breath YOU do the that very thing LOL Do you wear a gas mask while watching 24 LMAO !! Yep you're a real work of art LOL
Tom Sullivan

Maxton, NC

#14 May 8, 2009
“Do not. Do not. DO NOT use as your guide anything other than the training you’ve received since you’ve come in the service. In the real world, those things work on occasion, but you pay an enormous price every time you do it. Because every time you do it, you’re pulling a little bit off of who you are as a country. You’re pulling a thread out of the flag. You’re eroding the constitutional protections that you hope to have for your own people in this country.”


– Ken Robinson served a twenty-year career in a variety of tactical, operational, and strategic assignments including Ranger, Special Forces, and clandestine special operations units. His experience includes service with the National Security Agency, Defense Intelligence Agency and the Central Intelligence Agency. Ken has extensive experience in CIA and Israeli interrogation methods and is a member of the U.S. Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/media/usls/20...
alekas

Glen Ellyn, IL

#15 May 8, 2009
Citizen Blogger X wrote:
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It would have to take an illiterate to understand an illiterate point I guess but make no mistake that waterboarding is a crime not opinion , It is fact in Civil,Military, and international law, Only those guilty and those who appease it wish it to be opinion .
You're a real work of art ! You lash out at the writer for exposing the use of torture on TV and movies as reason for using it in real life which posters right here have done as "Outlandish" Then in the very next breath YOU do the that very thing LOL Do you wear a gas mask while watching 24 LMAO !! Yep you're a real work of art LOL
you have no good arguments, so you respond with name calling, mischaracterizations, and outright stupidity.

At least three lawyers and a whole lot of other people decided waterboarding was NOT torture, so your say-so on the matter is hardly the last word. It is merely your opinion. Let's ask Nancy Pelosi who had no issue with the use of waterboarding and who, in fact, was an advocate of even harsher measures. So when you start your show trials, be ready for her to be among the defenants.

Secondly, I did not lash out at anyone. I pointed out a movie in which a character was pretty extreme in going after his daughter's kidnappers. Maybe he should have just called DSS. If it were my kid and I had the know-how, damn right I would do the same thing. Find me the parents who wouldn't and I'll show you parents weeping over a dead child.
alekas

Glen Ellyn, IL

#18 May 8, 2009
Ghost Dog wrote:
All persons who do not believe waterboarding is torture should be waterboarded for at least 15 minutes, non-stop, then there would be no question about whether it is torture or not. It has now been 15 days since that "Chickenhawk" loudmouth Hannity said he would be "glad to submit to waterboarding for charity, for the families of dead soldiers", when is the date for him to undergo that "wetting of the head"?? Hmmmmmmm? Guess he was just kidding, he wouldn't last 10 seconds, even in a safe controlled environment. Alekas wouldn't last 6 seconds! Jack Bauer would last 10 seconds either and he's going back to jail for violating his parole!
nobody was waterboarded for 15 minutes non-stop. And you have no idea what I could stand. I've tolerated you for a couple of years which ought to be ample evidence that one can endure torture in multiple forms if necessary.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#19 May 8, 2009
alekas wrote:
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nobody was waterboarded for 15 minutes non-stop. And you have no idea what I could stand. I've tolerated you for a couple of years which ought to be ample evidence that one can endure torture in multiple forms if necessary.
If you're comparing tolerating message board fodder to water boarding then no wonder you're clueless on the subject of torture. Maybe you and Hannity can do a "2 for 1"?
Jim Greenwood

AOL

#20 May 8, 2009
alekas wrote:
<quoted text> I've tolerated you for a couple of years which ought to be ample evidence that one can endure torture in multiple forms if necessary.
Hear, hear!!
alekas

Glen Ellyn, IL

#21 May 8, 2009
tarheelborn wrote:
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If you're comparing tolerating message board fodder to water boarding then no wonder you're clueless on the subject of torture. Maybe you and Hannity can do a "2 for 1"?
I didn't realize this thread needed the presence of Topix self-appointed den mother. Apparently, you lack the capacity to understand exaggeration when reading it. And, you're belief that waterboarding is torture remains just that, no matter how many times you and Dog repeat the line.
CJOHNNY

Hickory, NC

#22 May 8, 2009
jimbo6096 wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us that when the nukes are falling on your head.
Thanks Jim.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#23 May 8, 2009
alekas wrote:
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I didn't realize this thread needed the presence of Topix self-appointed den mother. Apparently, you lack the capacity to understand exaggeration when reading it. And, you're belief that waterboarding is torture remains just that, no matter how many times you and Dog repeat the line.
Newsflash, sweetie, we aren't the only 2 repeating that line. There happen to be quite a few experts on the subject who concur 100%.

And apparently you lack the capacity to understand that a response to an exaggeration could be an exaggeration, itself.

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