Lincoln: 'Flawed Emanicipator'?

Lincoln: 'Flawed Emanicipator'?

There are 53 comments on the Examiner.com story from Oct 5, 2013, titled Lincoln: 'Flawed Emanicipator'?. In it, Examiner.com reports that:

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Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#49 Oct 23, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Did you see the film, Lincoln?....Daniel Day Lewis's portrayal was magic....
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No, I didn't yet.

Thanks for the heads up about the performance of Daniel Day Lewis.

How did you like the movie, Lincoln?

After you watched this movie in its entirety, did you think that Abraham Lincoln was portrayed in an idealised way?

Did this movie show Abraham in a very sanitized & watered down way?

Despite Lincoln being against slavery.---- He, the other Republican & Democrat politicians did not consider African Americans to be equal.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#50 Oct 23, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>W.E.B. Du Bois makes a similar argument, if I recall, in BLACK RECONSTRUCTION. A conflict between agrarian inteests based on slavery, and industrial interests based on the exploitation of "free labor".
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What W.E.B. Du Bois stated, he was correct.

Du Bois was another African American leader which the Establishment considered to be a threat.

Frantz Fanon was considered a threat.

Frantzs wife, Josie, was also considered a threat.

The African American leader Booker T. Washington was not considered a threat.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#51 Oct 23, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Abolitionists and some others were moved by moral motivations.
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Correct.

The White abolitionists were against slavery. But, they didn't consider African Americans to be equal.

The White abolitionists still fully supported the United States racial caste system.

The White abolitionists still fully supported the United States social strata ladder, pecking order & food chain.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#52 Oct 23, 2013
Savant wrote:
<quoted text>Capitalists were not, but their own interests eventually became incompatible with slavery--with CHATTEL slavery, not "wage slavery."
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You are absolutely correct.

What you stated above, is yet another example.---- That moral or ethical considerations were not the main cause of the outbreak of the United States Civil War. That moral or ethical undertones were not the main cause of the Civil War being fought throughout its duration.

Banking & businesses were at the forefront.

The banking & businesses interests of the North. Against the banking & business interests of the South.

Rivalry over the territory of the western United States.

Since: Oct 12

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#53 Oct 24, 2013
Johnny wrote:
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Excuse me, I meant the other Daly, Chuck. Back in around June, 2010 we blogged about Bill, the attorney & Deputy Commissioner & chief legal officer of the National Hockey League. Also, about Chuck Daly.
I meant Chuck. Chucks Detroit Piston team from the autumn, 1988 till spring, 1990.
How that Piston team stressed defense. How they were able to dominate over the Los Angeles Lakers & over the Chicago Bulls.
Yes, he was a favorite business client of mine, he was a true gentleman and a funny guy.....he used to tell me that Micheal and Scotty became just too much for so many years.....he told me about how the money, makes some players uncoachable.....fascinating soul....RIP Chuck.....

Since: Oct 12

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#54 Oct 24, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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No, I didn't yet.
Thanks for the heads up about the performance of Daniel Day Lewis.
How did you like the movie, Lincoln?
After you watched this movie in its entirety, did you think that Abraham Lincoln was portrayed in an idealised way?
Did this movie show Abraham in a very sanitized & watered down way?
Despite Lincoln being against slavery.---- He, the other Republican & Democrat politicians did not consider African Americans to be equal.
I found the movie transforming, but i studied Lincoln heavily in school....I believe he was our finest President by far....the movie is gritty and does'nt spare anyone's feelings....a fascinating portrait of how difficult his task and keen his wit....as an American, i would have felt disloyal, not to have seen it.....
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#56 Oct 29, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> Seem's that Chicago Blackhawks have been the ones to make the most progress.
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Apart from the Chicago Bulls from 1990 till 1998.---

Chicagos most dominant sports franchise from 1960 till now, it would have been the Chicago Blackhawks.

The Blackhawks primarily from 1998 till now.

Hey Blue, I'd say that the top Blackhawk teams where these.---

1. 1961 Blackhawks team. Their top players.----

Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, Pierre Pilote, Glen Hall & Ted Lindsay.

2. Blackhawk team from the late 1980s / early 1990s.----

Dominick Hasek, Ed Belfour, Jeremy Roenick, Steve Larmer & Chris Chelios.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#57 Oct 29, 2013
Go Blue ----

You said "I found the movie transforming".----

Mind if I ask, in what way? In any particular way (Or ways) specifically?

You said "but I studied Lincoln heavily in school".----

Really?

When you were in school, did the classes have a lot of information on Abraham Lincoln?

Or, did you obtain the books outside of the classes? Study on your own?

As in, an interest of your own?

You said "I believe he was our finest President by far".----

Clearly, one judging the United States former presidents, this is subjective.

But, I do see your angle about this.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#58 Oct 29, 2013
Go Blue ----

You said "The movie is gritty and doesn't spare anyone's feelings".----

Okay.

You said "a fascinating portrait of how difficult his task".----

Oh yeah, Abraham having to face the divide in the United States. Which lead to the outbreak of the Civil War & its duration.---- Sure was quite a task.

You said "and keen his wit...as an American".---- Okay.

Blue, via what you were told in the classrooms about Abraham Lincoln. Via what you read outside of the classrooms. As in other books or other scholarly material.----

Did it appear that the movie was quite accurate?
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#59 Oct 29, 2013
Go Blue ----

You said "he was a favorite business client of mine".----

Oh yeah. When you were at Mercedes Benz. Sold Chuck his cars. You even fixed one for him.

You said "he was a true gentleman and a funny guy".---- Oh, I bet.

You said "he used to tell me that Michael and Scotty became just too much for so many years".----

In what way? In regards to their attitudes?

Or, in regards to their performance on the court for the Bulls, over Chucks Piston team from 1990 till 1992?
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#60 Oct 29, 2013
Go Blue ----

You said "he told me about how the money, makes some players uncoachable".----- No doubt.

You said "fascinating soul...RIP Chuck...".---

Yep, RIP.

Blue, getting back to you about the Chicago Bulls team of the 1990s.----

Clearly, there have been critics of the 1990s Bulls. These critics have primarily stated that the 1990s Bulls didn't face the high level of competition which the teams of the 1980s faced.

These critics have primarily pointed out that the 1980s Los Angeles Lakers & 1980s Boston Celtics faced greater levels of competition & talent.

But, the 1995-1996 Bulls team was very great.

I'd say that the 1990s Bulls team dynasty could be broken into 2 time frames.----

1. The Bulls team from the autumn, 1990 till the spring, 1993.----

Was more offensively oriented.

2. The Bulls team from early, 1995 till the spring, 1998.----

Was more defensively oriented.

The Bulls team from the autumn, 1990 till the spring, 1993.---- Was very good.

But, the Bulls team from 1995-1996 was very great.
Johnny

Milwaukee, WI

#61 Oct 29, 2013
Go Blue ----

Some last points about the Chicago Bulls team from early, 1995 till spring, 1998.----

The number of very top players which this team had.----

In early, 1995.--- The Bulls picked up Dennis Rodman & Jack Haley.

In the leadup to the start of the 1995 season.----This Bulls team stressed defense.

Bulls team from the autumn, 1995 till spring, 1998.---- Some other very notable players.---- Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr & Luc Longley.

This team, which had this very high caliber of top players.----

Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Dennis Rodman, Jack Haley, Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Luc Longley, Horace Grant, Will Perdue, John Paxson, Ron Harper & BJ Armstrong.----

A team which meshed perfectly. A team which played perfect team play with assists & defense.

Especially the Bulls team of 1995-1996.---- A very, very great team.

Since: Oct 12

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#62 Oct 29, 2013
Johnny wrote:
<quoted text>
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Apart from the Chicago Bulls from 1990 till 1998.---
Chicagos most dominant sports franchise from 1960 till now, it would have been the Chicago Blackhawks.
The Blackhawks primarily from 1998 till now.
Hey Blue, I'd say that the top Blackhawk teams where these.---
1. 1961 Blackhawks team. Their top players.----
Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, Pierre Pilote, Glen Hall & Ted Lindsay.
2. Blackhawk team from the late 1980s / early 1990s.----
Dominick Hasek, Ed Belfour, Jeremy Roenick, Steve Larmer & Chris Chelios.
I can only remember back to Stan Makita, Bobby Hull and Eric Nesterinko.....later, Tony Esposito....Keith Magnasan.....i don't live in Chicago anymore.....

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