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Envoy Nursing Home Abuse Charges Filed - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and Weather

There are 35 comments on the NBC29 Charlottesville story from Aug 10, 2012, titled Envoy Nursing Home Abuse Charges Filed - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and Weather. In it, NBC29 Charlottesville reports that:

A Staunton man who worked at an area nursing home faces charges Friday because police say he assaulted patients there.

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citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#22 Aug 11, 2012
As medical science improves people are living longer in nursing homes. In recent years people have often been able to return home to their families as a result of progress that has been made with diseases like Alzheimer's, diabetes and nervous system afflictions. One year in a good nursing home can now cost over 70,000 dollars and it is a good idea to look at this coverage after a person turns 40 or so.

Unless of course you want to roll the dice by holding out for a "Medicare bed" which is what most do around here. Ask you doctor what your last days will be like if you die in a Medicare bed. You won't see the liberal media atound here talking about things like this any time soon.

Problem is most voters around here are truly stupid and they bet on their welfare carrying them to their grave----and it will-----but the free ride gets most uncomfortable in it's final years.
god fearer

Charlottesville, VA

#23 Aug 11, 2012
Ona Roll wrote:
Some points to ponder.
A. Every nursing home has some great employees, and they have some really bad ones. There is bit of good in the worst of them and a bit of bad in the best of them.
You can be at Envoy, or you can be at Westminster, trust me, I have had to deal with both types.
B. The "average" nursing home receives ABOUT $5,000.00 per month to care for a MEDICAID resident (our tax dollars), so thats about TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS PER ROOM !
Ah, the BIG question, where do we start making changes ? HOW do we start making changes ?
1. FAMILY INVOLVMENT !
2. PATIENT CARE PLANS, this is the document that
will put in writing the plan the faciliity will follow in your loved ones care, and if they don't, you must REPORT THEM TO LICENSING !
3.Start a FAMILY COUNCIL MEETING, it only takes TWO people to have a meeting and there are FEDERAL LAWS to help protect those that SPEAK UP when things are not being done correctly!
4. The FACILITY must be held ACCOUNTABLE for POOR care provided, BUT, Family Members must SPEAK UP and report any suspected abuse!
The administrator as well as ANY employee that was aware of the residents concerns should be held responsible for FAILING to report it...its the law!
THANKS for the helpful guidance!

Wonder if A ROMNEY - RYAN (since Mr Ryan states that he wants to diminish Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid) Administration would strip away those patient and family protections?

Bets?
god fearer

Charlottesville, VA

#24 Aug 11, 2012
citizen wrote:
As medical science improves people are living longer in nursing homes. In recent years people have often been able to return home to their families as a result of progress that has been made with diseases like Alzheimer's, diabetes and nervous system afflictions. One year in a good nursing home can now cost over 70,000 dollars and it is a good idea to look at this coverage after a person turns 40 or so.
Unless of course you want to roll the dice by holding out for a "Medicare bed" which is what most do around here. Ask you doctor what your last days will be like if you die in a Medicare bed. You won't see the liberal media atound here talking about things like this any time soon.
Problem is most voters around here are truly stupid and they bet on their welfare carrying them to their grave----and it will-----but the free ride gets most uncomfortable in it's final years.
As responsible party of several family elders, we are well aware that
- it is critical to have Medicare Supplemental insurance along with Medicare
- the post hospitalization benefit covering rehab/recovery in nursing home is a good Medicare benefit
- that it still takes a lot of 'push' to ensure that the nursing home care achieves its best quality
- that the hospice coverage under Medicare is a good benefit
- that even with these good Medicare benefits, additional costs of additional nursing home stay, are huge
- that some - and by far not all -can afford long term care insurance, and therefore, long term insurance industry should be working to find ways to reduce costs of health care and reduce costs of their insurance products

Voters have indicated their wish that elders and persons with disabilities not be left in unsafe or sordid conditions in ANY nursing home. The argument that 'if you don't buy insurance you DESERVE unsafe and sordid care and sexual assault in your nursing home bed' is IMMORAL. AND, if you are an insurance agent, UNETHICAL.
Joe Friday

South Saint Paul, MN

#25 Aug 11, 2012
citizen wrote:
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I pay 200 a month and it will cover me for life. Why not do real research for a change and then share that with the public? John Hancock and other companies cover tens of millions of people that are far from wealthy. Your comments fail to cite actual quotes and instead deal with the usual liberal agenda. My DBA, daily benefit amount, is now about 260 dollars and since I have the inflation protection the DBA goes up five per cent per cent so as to protect me from inflation. If I stay in a nursing home for 30 years (something very few can pull off) I am totally covered. As with pretty much all plans I have a 90 day waiting period so I will pay for the first 3 months but that is R&C (reasonable and customary) for the industry.
Conceivably my long term care plan can pay out more than several million dollars for my living care-----which sounds comparable to what I see Charlottesville's SSDI majority spending on their alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs and lottery tickets as they go through their taxpayer paid lives.
Don't forget to check out MetLife's excellent plans as well. Blathering about topics like guns, Romney and wealthy people are not going to save you when a big burly nurse's aide like the hero in this story decides he has heard enough of your senile political ravings and starts giving you the kind of applied therapy that the so called justice system should be dishing out. So save yourself by buying a long term care plan, along with real health insurance, instead of pursuing the usual vicarious lifestyle that the welfare majority around here so love to invest in.
Otherwise you have no complaints when Cro-Magnon CNA's start using you for a football.
I see a bright future for you on the Charlottesville city council.
....and now :just the Facts".... good luck with plan my friend ! Hey listen, I got a deal for you on a ocean front condo in Arizona !!! ha ha ha ha.... lets see what happens when you have to actually USE the plan/benefits! Soooo my guess is you work for an INSURANCE COMPANY. I really have only one suggestion, IF you are thinking of buying a long term care insurance plan, buy a big magnifyer first to read ALL the fine print! Oh andd BTW, many many reputable companies NO LONGER even offer coverage for long term care and IF they do.....be aware of the details....FYI, but hey...if it makes you feel better living under the delusion you have coverage and that you will get good care because of it....I guess its worth your money! Cheers@
marvin

Fairfield, VA

#26 Aug 11, 2012
make sure that this low life is put under the jail. even if he is placed gently with his butt up, it would not satisfy me if that were my parent that he approached. RIP

Since: Jul 09

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#27 Aug 11, 2012
god-fearer wrote:
This is the type of health care that the Republicans think the middle class deserves, if they can't afford the private pay rates at the best nursing homes. Ask Romney? Ask Allen? about their detailed plans to cover good quality long term care for the middle class ... NOTHING.
You are kidding right? This is the kinda care obama will set up with obamacare. Cheap nursing homes so that means cheap scuzzy staff.
Darwin

Charlottesville, VA

#28 Aug 11, 2012
Jackasses and misfits really dumb-up the gene pool don't they?
citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#29 Aug 11, 2012
Joe Friday wrote:
<quoted text>....and now :just the Facts".... good luck with plan my friend ! Hey listen, I got a deal for you on a ocean front condo in Arizona !!! ha ha ha ha.... lets see what happens when you have to actually USE the plan/benefits! Soooo my guess is you work for an INSURANCE COMPANY. I really have only one suggestion, IF you are thinking of buying a long term care insurance plan, buy a big magnifyer first to read ALL the fine print! Oh andd BTW, many many reputable companies NO LONGER even offer coverage for long term care and IF they do.....be aware of the details....FYI, but hey...if it makes you feel better living under the delusion you have coverage and that you will get good care because of it....I guess its worth your money! Cheers@
There seem to be two basic types of people in Charlottesville---one works, pay taxes, lives within their means, doesn't make more children than they can afford to raise, doesn't buy things like alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs, blunts etc. and tries to not be a burden to others by insuring themselves against the uncertainties of what old age might have in store for them.

Then there is the other type that cries because they don't get enough given to them and this group is the voting majority. This value set is reflected in the bum loving city council.

I pay less for my health insurance and long term care than most of the people in this town spend on their various substance abuses. The four hundred a month that I pay is nothing compared to what the average voter spends on cigarettes, alcohol, illegal drugs, blunts, lottery tickets and other vicarious living standards that I see being bought every day.

By the way I don't work for anybody and I retired some years ago since I lived responsibly and within my means---got out of the system before I was even 55 due to good old fashioned values. Now I merely go to the gym every day, drink coffee and relax at the shopping centers.

As I tried to point out earlier, people are now living a lot longer than they used to and the progress that medical science has made against diseases means that people in the future will not only be staying in nursing homes longer but many of them will be cured to the point that they can leave nursing homes and return to their families. This is already happening.

Most of the folks in this area love to talk about their so called rights but nobody wants to talk about their responsibilities---one of those is to not make more children than you can afford to raise since others will have to raise them with public tax money. I see the Charlottesville city council saying very little about issues such as this.

It is nice knowing that the ants will have a safe place to be in their old age while the welfare sucking, public housing grasshoppers get to grapple with large nursing assistants. No, that is not unethical thinking at all but rather the hard work values this country was built upon instead of the socialism that the blunt buyers hope to hide behind when their drugs finally overpower their immune systems.
citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#30 Aug 11, 2012
Joe Friday wrote:
<quoted text>....and now :just the Facts".... good luck with plan my friend ! Hey listen, I got a deal for you on a ocean front condo in Arizona !!! ha ha ha ha.... lets see what happens when you have to actually USE the plan/benefits! Soooo my guess is you work for an INSURANCE COMPANY. I really have only one suggestion, IF you are thinking of buying a long term care insurance plan, buy a big magnifyer first to read ALL the fine print! Oh andd BTW, many many reputable companies NO LONGER even offer coverage for long term care and IF they do.....be aware of the details....FYI, but hey...if it makes you feel better living under the delusion you have coverage and that you will get good care because of it....I guess its worth your money! Cheers@
Oh, by the way, I read all the fine print, and so did others. As a retired federal employee I have the Office of Personnel Management as my agent to ensure that the provider lives up to their contractual obligations. My plan is no longer offered but I am grandfathered in, for life, and that is a nice feeling.

For those of you out there that are smart enought to plan for your future here are some points for consideration. Benefits for Medicare will continue to be tweaked by democrats and republicans alike since the system is now at the breaking point. Everybody is climbing onto the disability and SSI bandwagon and now the water flow is slowing down. They just gotta get onto disability before they can ride the Medicare "health insurance". In the future it may well be worth the effort to stay with private insurance carriers since many of the best doctors and nursing homes won't be accepting Medicare patients in the future. This is why more than a few million Americans have retired overseas since their private insurance buys them more in a warm tropical setting than Medicare buys here in the states. I know people in the Philippines that have a full time caretaker for their elderly loved one and they pay several hundred dollars a month instead of the many thousands a retirement home charges here in the USA. As luck would have it, my policy is good for the tropical countries I have in mind, as well as home care, so it looks like I chose wisely indeed!

Some American insurance companies have finally figured out that they can cut costs and give better care by building large nursing homes and retirement communities in certain Asian and Latin American countries-----took them way too long to wake up but they finally did.

I am set----but are you?
Joe Friday

South Saint Paul, MN

#31 Aug 11, 2012
citizen wrote:
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There seem to be two basic types of people in Charlottesville---one works, pay taxes, lives within their means, doesn't make more children than they can afford to raise, doesn't buy things like alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs, blunts etc. and tries to not be a burden to others by insuring themselves against the uncertainties of what old age might have in store for them.
Then there is the other type that cries because they don't get enough given to them and this group is the voting majority. This value set is reflected in the bum loving city council.
I pay less for my health insurance and long term care than most of the people in this town spend on their various substance abuses. The four hundred a month that I pay is nothing compared to what the average voter spends on cigarettes, alcohol, illegal drugs, blunts, lottery tickets and other vicarious living standards that I see being bought every day.
By the way I don't work for anybody and I retired some years ago since I lived responsibly and within my means---got out of the system before I was even 55 due to good old fashioned values. Now I merely go to the gym every day, drink coffee and relax at the shopping centers.
As I tried to point out earlier, people are now living a lot longer than they used to and the progress that medical science has made against diseases means that people in the future will not only be staying in nursing homes longer but many of them will be cured to the point that they can leave nursing homes and return to their families. This is already happening.
Most of the folks in this area love to talk about their so called rights but nobody wants to talk about their responsibilities---one of those is to not make more children than you can afford to raise since others will have to raise them with public tax money. I see the Charlottesville city council saying very little about issues such as this.
It is nice knowing that the ants will have a safe place to be in their old age while the welfare sucking, public housing grasshoppers get to grapple with large nursing assistants. No, that is not unethical thinking at all but rather the hard work values this country was built upon instead of the socialism that the blunt buyers hope to hide behind when their drugs finally overpower their immune systems.
HEY BUDDY, A BIT OF ADVICE FOR YOU...ITS GONNA HURT WHEN YOU FALL OFF THAT HORSE OF YOURS...IT IS A VERY HIGH HORSE AT THAT!!! For the record, I retired at 62, I too hit the gym, stay active etc....but are you really retired ? I mean, you seem to have become a FULL TIME JUDGE....get a life!
citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#32 Aug 11, 2012
Joe Friday wrote:
<quoted text>HEY BUDDY, A BIT OF ADVICE FOR YOU...ITS GONNA HURT WHEN YOU FALL OFF THAT HORSE OF YOURS...IT IS A VERY HIGH HORSE AT THAT!!! For the record, I retired at 62, I too hit the gym, stay active etc....but are you really retired ? I mean, you seem to have become a FULL TIME JUDGE....get a life!
I will compare my life with yours at any time. Yes, retired on full pension at age 54, BC/BS Anthem (the good variant)for the rest of my natural life, once a year I get to change health plans if I want (2 dozen or so are offered every year), long term care plan with unlimited benefits for an unlimited time period (joint John Hancock/MetLife plan) and a major medical back up plan of two million dollars. Also 2 hospital indemnity plans through Banker's Life and a supplemental cancer plan through Mutual of Omaha. I think I am covered. My LTC plan includes ten years coverage should I be overseas at 80% DBA what I get in the US. Home care payout is at 80% of DBA. Since I have the inflation protection clause I get a 5% increase in all benefits annually. Yes, instead of living like most of the hope and changers I spent time arranging my finances so I would not be a burden on others in my old age. Too bad guys like me are a rarity since that means folks like YOU will be paying ever more money through taxes to feed, clothe, house and give health care to the hope and changers around here that fill the downtown mall, U Corner and the Crime Times.

When you pay your dues and get your payoff you are more than entitled to judge Charlottesville's welfare majority---and I enjoy it.

Unlike so many around here I spent more time delivering on my responsibilities than crying about my rights; which around here means hanging out at the social services and social security office to see what new payouts I can apply for.

As for life, I will be spending all of November in Latin America. You????
citizen

Charlottesville, VA

#33 Aug 11, 2012
By the way, Joe, I did all this for LESS than what the average person pays for cigarettes.

Lest I forget, my health plans are TAX QUALIFIED so I get to deduct them every year. Yep, feels real good.

So I have no pity when I see the good SSDI majority of Cville lining up to buy their tobacco, alcohol, fistfuls of lottery tickets, blunts, you get the idea.

Did you know (I am sure you and the others in this thread do) that the disability rolls have swollen by over 150% recently so now the entire social security/disability/Medicare/M edicaid/SSI dream is getting super shaky? That's why the democrats, and yes some republicans as well, are now crying. What was originally designed as a safety net for old people that worked all their lives has been hijacked, essentially, by artful slackers and substance abusers that stayed in the Age of Aquarius too long and now they are so screwed up mentally and physically that they QUALIFY for disability and Medicare----that YOU and the ever fewer actual workers get to pay for.

So Joe, welcome to the welfare state, where you get to pay for others that didn't work or contribute to society. Give generously to the man with the cardboard sign that lives in section eight housing, is on disability, and gets FREE MEDICARE that you are paying for. After all, these are the darlings of the city council and leftist media since they always vote democratic.

Since: Jan 10

United States

#34 Aug 11, 2012
citizen wrote:
By the way, Joe, I did all this for LESS than what the average person pays for cigarettes........ What was originally designed as a safety net for old people that worked all their lives has been hijacked, essentially, by artful slackers and substance abusers that stayed in the Age of Aquarius too long and now they are so screwed up mentally and physically that they QUALIFY for disability and Medicare----that YOU and the ever fewer actual workers get to pay for..
I don't agree with the many abuses of the system. John Q. Citizen needs to begin turning in the many abuses they see.

I have a retirement plan through my job, but it is not even close to what you have planned for. I don't have the benefits that you were entitled to when you worked. My children my eventually have to depend on one of these nursing facilities, but I assure you they will be diligent, if that is what it takes.
TYJ

Ruckersville, VA

#35 Aug 11, 2012
god-fearer wrote:
This is the type of health care that the Republicans think the middle class deserves, if they can't afford the private pay rates at the best nursing homes. Ask Romney? Ask Allen? about their detailed plans to cover good quality long term care for the middle class ... NOTHING.
Really! This not political, this is criminal and people like you are just SICK, mentally, who say this kind of junk!
TYJ

Ruckersville, VA

#36 Aug 11, 2012
god fearer wrote:
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A health research firm reported (in 2007) that Virginia ranked 37th among the states, for overall quality of its Medicaid
programs. Out of a possible 1000 points, Virginia had a score of just over 400. Most people do not know that Medicaid is one of the largest payers for elderly health care, particularly medical and custodial care in nursing homes; amounting to nearly a third of the entire Virginia Medicaid expenditures. The elderly are very vulnerable to aged poverty.
Medicare and Social Security that most older people know about were established to help prevent aged poverty. And, these are among the most successful programs in accomplishing their goals, of any US government program.
But, if states follow the Republican plan - to radically dismantle Medicare, and Social Security, and to reduce oversight of state Medicaid programs - the aged, and their families, are headed into deep poverty.
Do you even realize what you are saying? Obamacare will be a glorified Medicaid just like VA has now. Are you for real? You are arguing for the very thing you are criticizing........ I work w/ the "system" now and
it will only be worse for elderly! Get a grip.3296

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