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FBI traces members of abortion murder suspect's study group

There are 96 comments on the KansasCity.com story from Aug 31, 2009, titled FBI traces members of abortion murder suspect's study group. In it, KansasCity.com reports that:

They met in one anothers homes on Saturdays, their Sabbath, for potluck dinners and scripture study sessions.

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“The sheep need protection.”

Since: Dec 08

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#83 Sep 11, 2009
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/11/michigan....

Wow, I found another terrorist.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#85 Sep 11, 2009
The Hero wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/ 09/11/michigan.shooting/index. html
Wow, I found another terrorist.
I think you are purposely missing the point.. Mr. Roeder was inspired to shoot Doctor Tiller after absorbing the hate and inflammatory rhetoric from ProLife Movement leaders and his group.

What happened here was one that is a crime and I hope that when convicted he never walks free again.

Does this now make it easier to see the difference? Or does it still confuse you?

“The sheep need protection.”

Since: Dec 08

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#86 Sep 12, 2009
What you are purposely doing is guessing Roeder's intention along with all the others in the article's Bible Group and all Pro-Life Organization. You have no proof of those people's intentions who have broken the law against abortion doctors and clinics. No more understanding than I have of this killers intention.

You make leaps and bounds of assumptions because there is no evidence to back your arguement. There is no proof of backroom plan to have acts of violence and murder.

There are individuals with free will who make evil choices. Until you accept that, you will not believe in Freedom.

The confusion is yours, I see the big picture.
kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you are purposely missing the point.. Mr. Roeder was inspired to shoot Doctor Tiller after absorbing the hate and inflammatory rhetoric from ProLife Movement leaders and his group.
What happened here was one that is a crime and I hope that when convicted he never walks free again.
Does this now make it easier to see the difference? Or does it still confuse you?

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#87 Sep 12, 2009
The Hero wrote:
What you are purposely doing is guessing Roeder's intention along with all the others in the article's Bible Group and all Pro-Life Organization. You have no proof of those people's intentions who have broken the law against abortion doctors and clinics. No more understanding than I have of this killers intention.
You make leaps and bounds of assumptions because there is no evidence to back your arguement. There is no proof of backroom plan to have acts of violence and murder.
There are individuals with free will who make evil choices. Until you accept that, you will not believe in Freedom.
The confusion is yours, I see the big picture.
<quoted text>
That is why they are being investigated..

Don't worry hero.. You delusion will be kept intact.. There will be no one except the martyr that will take the fall.

After all a true martyr wants to die alone as a way to show how "loyal" and what a "true believer" he is to every one..

It doesn't go well when you have to share the stage with others that might be culpable as well.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#88 Sep 12, 2009
The Hero wrote:
What you are purposely doing is guessing Roeder's intention along with all the others in the article's Bible Group and all Pro-Life Organization. You have no proof of those people's intentions who have broken the law against abortion doctors and clinics. No more understanding than I have of this killers intention.
You make leaps and bounds of assumptions because there is no evidence to back your arguement. There is no proof of backroom plan to have acts of violence and murder.
There are individuals with free will who make evil choices. Until you accept that, you will not believe in Freedom.
The confusion is yours, I see the big picture.
<quoted text>
And just for your own FYI I do live in freedom.. And you unfortunately live are only looking at the picture that you like and missing the rest as that might conflict with what you want it to be for you.

“The sheep need protection.”

Since: Dec 08

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#89 Sep 12, 2009
Your denial of and hate towards other views are well documented by your comments.

I live in the real world and see the whole picture.

When you pull your fingers out of your ears. Then stop yelling. Maybe you may be ready for reality.
kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
And just for your own FYI I do live in freedom.. And you unfortunately live are only looking at the picture that you like and missing the rest as that might conflict with what you want it to be for you.
FORMER KANSAN

Concord, NH

#90 Sep 12, 2009
Kansas is definitely not the real world. I have lived in many states and many residents there are some of the most insular, closed-minded, socially regressive, passive-agressive, egotistic I know. The only reason I visit is because I still have family there that will never move anywhere else. It is quite sad.

Ladidio

Since: May 09

Howell, NJ

#91 Sep 12, 2009
The Hero wrote:
What you are purposely doing is guessing Roeder's intention along with all the others in the article's Bible Group and all Pro-Life Organization. You have no proof of those people's intentions who have broken the law against abortion doctors and clinics. No more understanding than I have of this killers intention.
Uh, perhaps Roeder's mindless blathering on websites clued us to his "intentions"? He "intended" to kill a doctor that provides abortions, in the mistaken belief that he was a "baby killer". One doesn't have to be a genius to discern this.
The Hero wrote:
The confusion is yours, I see the big picture.
<quoted text>
Actually, the "big picture" is that extremist PL are getting more and more desperate, more and more irrational, and more and more violent. They recognize that the law is not on their side, and never will be, and are getting frustrated.

What the freak did to the pro-life protestor was clearly a crime, and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#92 Sep 12, 2009
The Hero wrote:
Your denial of and hate towards other views are well documented by your comments.
I live in the real world and see the whole picture.
When you pull your fingers out of your ears. Then stop yelling. Maybe you may be ready for reality.
<quoted text>
Please.. My views are well documented by whom? You? You have nothing better to do?

I do facts and my opinion on Roeder stands.. As the facts thus far have shown.. As you seem to have "Well Documented" my responses there is no need to go through them..

Unfortunately you are starting to project your anger and opinions on me.. This is generally the beginning for some Prolife when they realize that their position is weak and have no real arguments.. I was really hoping and still am that this is not the case with you..
FORMER KANSAN

Concord, NH

#93 Sep 12, 2009
In my opinion, extreme social conservatism and liberalism are both very messed up ideologies. I am glad to be a centrist Independent and I agree with your line of reasoning regarding Roeder, kathwynn.

“The sheep need protection.”

Since: Dec 08

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#94 Sep 13, 2009
Prove it. Show me Roeder's blogs. Just put a link up. Should be easy enough. All I ask is statement from him or his Bible group saying they are going to kill an abortion doctor. Blow an abortion provider's building.
Ladidio wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh, perhaps Roeder's mindless blathering on websites clued us to his "intentions"? He "intended" to kill a doctor that provides abortions, in the mistaken belief that he was a "baby killer". One doesn't have to be a genius to discern this.
<quoted text>
Actually, the "big picture" is that extremist PL are getting more and more desperate, more and more irrational, and more and more violent. They recognize that the law is not on their side, and never will be, and are getting frustrated.
What the freak did to the pro-life protestor was clearly a crime, and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

“The sheep need protection.”

Since: Dec 08

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#95 Sep 13, 2009
Your views are on previous post. I did not believe I had to point out the obvious, but it seems you need the help.

There is not anger on my side. All I ask is proof and you give assumptions. I show you crimes against Pro-Life advocates. You blow it off.

You point out acts against abortion providers and building, you call it terroism. You still have no proof.

I do see a gimmer of hope that at least you had not projected it on me. As you have clearly noticed, I have never advocated this clowns actions.
kathwynn wrote:
<quoted text>
Please.. My views are well documented by whom? You? You have nothing better to do?
I do facts and my opinion on Roeder stands.. As the facts thus far have shown.. As you seem to have "Well Documented" my responses there is no need to go through them..
Unfortunately you are starting to project your anger and opinions on me.. This is generally the beginning for some Prolife when they realize that their position is weak and have no real arguments.. I was really hoping and still am that this is not the case with you..

“The sheep need protection.”

Since: Dec 08

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#96 Sep 13, 2009
Is this why you go by drk sometimes on your post? You are not proud of where you have been what you have done? Do you post as Former (insert state name) in other areas too?

You are the perfect example of an intellectual snob. Believing you are better than others who do not believe in the same ideas as you. Dismissing them as inferior to you.

What is sad, is your superiority complex. I would venture to guess you never deal with anyone who makes under 300,000 a year. I am sure you look at farmers and ranchers as just people who were not smart enough to find a real job. Anyone who makes mininum wage, in your opinion, would be individuals the government needs to help because they are not smart enough to find a real job.

Your real world is to look down at inferior people, which are those who disagree with you.

Your world is so small it is about to implode.
FORMER KANSAN wrote:
Kansas is definitely not the real world. I have lived in many states and many residents there are some of the most insular, closed-minded, socially regressive, passive-agressive, egotistic I know. The only reason I visit is because I still have family there that will never move anywhere else. It is quite sad.

“Proud to be a Wiccan Priest”

Since: Jul 09

Jonesboro AR

#97 Sep 13, 2009
The Hero wrote:
Your views are on previous post. I did not believe I had to point out the obvious, but it seems you need the help.
There is not anger on my side. All I ask is proof and you give assumptions. I show you crimes against Pro-Life advocates. You blow it off.
You point out acts against abortion providers and building, you call it terroism. You still have no proof.
I do see a gimmer of hope that at least you had not projected it on me. As you have clearly noticed, I have never advocated this clowns actions.<quoted text>
I did not "blow it off". As in the case of the scumn that shot (yes scum) that shot the proLifer. I hope he rots in a cell.. As i hope reoder does..

If it proves out that there was a group of 'friends' that urgd him or was using inflammatory rhetoric to promote voilence. against the prolife movement. then yoes he will be considered in my eyeas as a terrorist..
See the difference here hero. i can look unflinchingly in the eyes of reality ad say that..

however roeder was part of a group. the Leadership of ProLife use inflammatory rhetoric and is not above praying for the death of people. In the ProChoice Side. Such things are not acceptable. Such things are not welcomed.

Roeder little group is being investigated.. Even if the group has dissolved. The former members could still be culpable to the crime.

And from the looks of those who have committed similar crimes rally around this roeder I would say that he is making himself look like, again my opinion, an domestic terrorist.

Twist all you want.. Deny it as you choose.

however the facts as they have emerged over the years points to a growing domestic terrorist that is willing to cause harm and damage over an issue that was settled years ago.
FORMER KANSAN

Concord, NH

#98 Sep 13, 2009
You don't have a clue what my background is. In fact, my grandparents have an agrarian background in ranching in rural NW Kansas. I also live in a rural area of NH and am pretty self-sufficient. I am not a super high earner, but I have to commute to my job in a larger town nearby. The main problem I have with the middle part of the country is that so many people are complacent and lazy. They are content with just the status quo and never really travel much at all. The key to getting out of such a bland place like KC is through EDUCATION and ENTREPREUNRIALISM. I own my own business and I have worked hard to achieve my own personal goals.

The problem I have with you is that you like to project negative thoughts onto others that you know absolutely nothing about. You can't deny that the JOCO bubble does not exist when it obviously does. I am not going to refute my personal experiences living there either.

You have a lot of hubris to pigeon-hole my personal poltical beliefs which are far more complex than you could even begin to imagine. Like I said, before I am an Independent voter. I am a fiscal moderate, social libertarian, and fairly strict constitutionalist.

In conclusion, I associate with people of all socio-economic levels as I live in a rural area that contains individuals of all income stratifications. We don't have elite zoning requirements like you do in JOCO. In NH, a rural road might contain the follow types of dwellings: raised ranch, modular, cape, contemporary, double wide, colonial, etc. NH is the safest state in the country and ranks first in quality of life. I can't say I would ever want to live in KS again. That is not snobbery, but an overall quality of life issue for me.
The Hero wrote:
Is this why you go by drk sometimes on your post? You are not proud of where you have been what you have done? Do you post as Former (insert state name) in other areas too?
You are the perfect example of an intellectual snob. Believing you are better than others who do not believe in the same ideas as you. Dismissing them as inferior to you.
What is sad, is your superiority complex. I would venture to guess you never deal with anyone who makes under 300,000 a year. I am sure you look at farmers and ranchers as just people who were not smart enough to find a real job. Anyone who makes mininum wage, in your opinion, would be individuals the government needs to help because they are not smart enough to find a real job.
Your real world is to look down at inferior people, which are those who disagree with you.
Your world is so small it is about to implode.
<quoted text>
FORMER KANSAN

Concord, NH

#99 Sep 13, 2009
The Hero wrote:
Is this why you go by drk sometimes on your post? You are not proud of where you have been what you have done? Do you post as Former (insert state name) in other areas too?
You are the perfect example of an intellectual
I am well traveled and yes I am an intellectual. I get awfully tired of the anti-intellectual attitude that Republicans often have.

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