Former right-wing leader warns of rel...

Former right-wing leader warns of religious right violence: "Anyone can be killed"

There are 13 comments on the rawstory.com story from Oct 14, 2009, titled Former right-wing leader warns of religious right violence: "Anyone can be killed". In it, rawstory.com reports that:

Frank Schaeffer is an outspoken critic of the politicized Christian evangelical right.

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Light Sensitive

Bronxville, NY

#1 Oct 14, 2009
the man is right...dont be surprised if one/many of the mercs in any of these corporate militia/armys (Xe) is instructed to commit some domestic terrorism in or der to get us "right again."

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#3 Oct 14, 2009
This is a surprise to nobody. The phony Christians use the Jesus Camps to raise up a generation of suicide bombers.
Just like the wacky Muslims who are told if they die for their God, they will get a special reward.

Since: Nov 07

Chicago, IL

#4 Oct 14, 2009
Schaeffer isn't being all that prophetic - there already has been violence from the Christian Right - McVeigh, Operation Rescue, Clinic bombings, assassination of doctors, etc. "Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end." (Coven - from "Billy Jack") http://bit.ly/nw6ZE
Listen To This

Peach Creek, WV

#5 Oct 14, 2009
BOO! LOL! This is all so ridiculous! I thought you guys thought the Christians were the real "paranoids." Now, come on! Surely you don't believe Christians could be so dangerous? Please!
Time will tell

United States

#6 Oct 15, 2009
Light Sensitive wrote:
the man is right...dont be surprised if one/many of the mercs in any of these corporate militia/armys (Xe) is instructed to commit some domestic terrorism in or der to get us "right again."
There is much I usually don't agree with you on, but I'm in agreement with you on this one.
Time will tell

United States

#7 Oct 15, 2009
WDRussell wrote:
This is a surprise to nobody. The phony Christians use the Jesus Camps to raise up a generation of suicide bombers.
Just like the wacky Muslims who are told if they die for their God, they will get a special reward.
Yes, and you used the key word that most seem to overlook or wink at[for whatever reason]: "phony".
Time will tell

United States

#8 Oct 15, 2009
SongBookz wrote:
Schaeffer isn't being all that prophetic - there already has been violence from the Christian Right - McVeigh, Operation Rescue, Clinic bombings, assassination of doctors, etc. "Do it in the name of heaven, you can justify it in the end." (Coven - from "Billy Jack") http://bit.ly/nw6ZE
Which brings to mind: SongBookz, have you ever read the book titled, The Third Terrorist, by Jayna Davis? Extremely interesting read; and it definitely makes one wonder.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9 Oct 15, 2009
WDRussell wrote:
This is a surprise to nobody. The phony Christians use the Jesus Camps to raise up a generation of suicide bombers.
Just like the wacky Muslims who are told if they die for their God, they will get a special reward.
Your paranoia is hilarious.

How will they do this exactly. With a Church Bus? With a guitar filled with explosive?

You guys need to take off your tin foil hats. There are REAL terrorists out there and it aint us.
Time will tell

United States

#10 Oct 15, 2009
Listen To This wrote:
BOO! LOL! This is all so ridiculous! I thought you guys thought the Christians were the real "paranoids." Now, come on! Surely you don't believe Christians could be so dangerous? Please!
Not if you can read between the lines. The elite could then accomplish that which was not feasible in the past: More control over the so-called Christian majority. Afterall, they[the one group/Christians] would be the cause of the Gov't implementing the inevitable: Exec. Orders/Fema/martial law/denial of right to bear arms/etc.... Scapegoats have been used in the past so that a plan would come together.

Since: Nov 07

Chicago, IL

#11 Oct 15, 2009
Time will tell wrote:
<quoted text>Which brings to mind: SongBookz, have you ever read the book titled, The Third Terrorist, by Jayna Davis? Extremely interesting read; and it definitely makes one wonder.
I'll look for it. Currently reading Red Letter Christians by Campolo - then I'm going to read something fiction, then we'll see. I've bought about a dozen more books for my Kindle that I've yet to read (and downloaded a boatload from Gutenberg).
Listen To This

Peach Creek, WV

#12 Oct 16, 2009
Time will tell wrote:
<quoted text>Not if you can read between the lines. The elite could then accomplish that which was not feasible in the past: More control over the so-called Christian majority. Afterall, they[the one group/Christians] would be the cause of the Gov't implementing the inevitable: Exec. Orders/Fema/martial law/denial of right to bear arms/etc.... Scapegoats have been used in the past so that a plan would come together.
I don't see Christians trying so much to take away the rights of the people as I do these leftists coming in who are associated with Communism, Marxism, Socialism, and Progressivism. Matter of fact, the only rights I see really trying to be taken away are the rights of the Christians and the Conservatives. Not all Conservatives are Republicans, believe it or not. Things are moving further and further away from the original plan of the formation of our country. Communism is within us. It wants to take over. It wants all we own. Some people go on and on without stopping to think that they are actually supporting the furtherance and progression of Communism. It's not the doing of the Right that's bringing it on. The Right has played a few games and turned their heads from the issues for too long. While it did so, the devil crept in. He's using the Left to get a lot of damage done. I am sorry if you disagree. Do you know what I think? It's not so much a "party" issue as much as it is a "moral" issue, these days. Getting further away from moral soundness is going to take us down. American will be judged as a nation for it's sin. There's no way of getting out of it. I believe in God. Two Chronicles 7:14 says that if we turn from our wicked ways and humble ourselves before God, pray, and seek His face, He'll hear us from Heaven and heal our land. I really do believe this. Some Christians are Democrats. Some Conservatives are not Christians. Christians are not to blame for the problem we are having. One of our main problems is that we are becoming more immoral as we become more diverse. And, if that's so, then, most certainly, our freedom of speech needs to stay in place--because somebody needs to speak for God and keep in contact with Him for the benefit of the people and of our country. Listen! Radicals are overurnning our government. I am not a Radical. I believe in morality and peace. Real Christians do! We also believe in Ecclesiastes 3. There is a time to speak and a time to refrain from speaking. Right now, we are speaking, trying to warn our country not to embrace radical views. We will ALL suffer for these views, because we will be judged as a nation. I hope you can understand what I am trying to say. The major issue with Christians voicing their opinions so much right now is not intended to control people. It is solely to prevent our wonderful country from going down into ruins through judgement for embracing evil, radical, or immoral ways. For those who do not believe me nor do they believe in God, I would just like them to remember that two major things that defeat a country is internal weakness and external attack. Sometimes, I think external attackers have infiltrated us to attack us from within.
Time will tell

United States

#13 Oct 17, 2009
Listen To This wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see Christians trying so much to take away the rights of the people as I do these leftists coming in who are associated with Communism, Marxism, Socialism, and Progressivism. Matter of fact, the only rights I see really trying to be taken away are the rights of the Christians and the Conservatives. Not all Conservatives are Republicans, believe it or not. Things are moving further and further away from the original plan of the formation of our country. Communism is within us. It wants to take over. It wants all we own. Some people go on and on without stopping to think that they are actually supporting the furtherance and progression of Communism. It's not the doing of the Right that's bringing it on. The Right has played a few games and turned their heads from the issues for too long. While it did so, the devil crept in. He's using the Left to get a lot of damage done. I am sorry if you disagree. Do you know what I think? It's not so much a "party" issue as much as it is a "moral" issue, these days. Getting further away from moral soundness is going to take us down. American will be judged as a nation for it's sin. There's no way of getting out of it. I believe in God. Two Chronicles 7:14 says that if we turn from our wicked ways and humble ourselves before God, pray, and seek His face, He'll hear us from Heaven and heal our land. I really do believe this. Some Christians are Democrats. Some Conservatives are not Christians. Christians are not to blame for the problem we are having. One of our main problems is that we are becoming more immoral as we become more diverse. And, if that's so, then, most certainly, our freedom of speech needs to stay in place--because somebody needs to speak for God and keep in contact with Him for the benefit of the people and of our country. Listen! Radicals are overurnning our government. I am not a Radical. I believe in morality and peace. Real Christians do! We also believe in Ecclesiastes 3. There is a time to speak and a time to refrain from speaking. Right now, we are speaking, trying to warn our country not to embrace radical views. We will ALL suffer for these views, because we will be judged as a nation. I hope you can understand what I am trying to say. The major issue with Christians voicing their opinions so much right now is not intended to control people. It is solely to prevent our wonderful country from going down into ruins through judgement for embracing evil, radical, or immoral ways. For those who do not believe me nor do they believe in God, I would just like them to remember that two major things that defeat a country is internal weakness and external attack. Sometimes, I think external attackers have infiltrated us to attack us from within.
I agree with much of what you say; excellent post!

Since: Nov 07

Chicago, IL

#14 Oct 17, 2009
Listen To This wrote:
<quoted text>I don't see Christians trying so much to take away the rights of the people as I do these leftists coming in who are associated with <snip to allow room for a reply>
You're kind of all over the map here.

I'll touch on only a few points:

No political party has an "in" with God. The problem is, is that after Civil Rights passed, white Christians in the South formed whites only Christian schools to circumvent desegregation, then Carter threatened to tax such schools whose only purpose was to segregate. This angered Jerry Falwell who formed the Moral Majority, after he lost that war, he turned his attention to abortion and eventually homosexuality.

Eventually, the Christian Right threw in their lot with the Republican Party and pretty much took it over. The problem is, by doing so they turned their back on God and began to trust in politics. Instead of "go ye therefore," they went to the polls. Instead of bringing a heart-changing message, they brought lobbyists to change laws.

As to Socialism, Communism, etc., God could care less (except we are to obey the government of wherever we find ourselves)- He didn't want a king in Israel either. Christianity is a Kingdom. Biblically, Christians are only nominally citizens of the countries they were born to and, rather, citizens of a higher Government.

The concept of a "Christian Nation" as a physical nation is an oxymoron. Regardless of what the Founders of America may or may not have intended. America is not a Christian Nation. It can't be. Jesus said, "My Kingdom is not of this world." A Christian must "turn the other cheek," forgive his enemies, not return anger for anger, etc., and an earthly nation cannot do that and survive.

As to Left or Right, if you read the Bible and pay attention to what Jesus said, He was very Liberal: Heal the sick, feed the poor, render to Caesar what is Caesar's (pay your taxes). The Bible requires fair wages, and business regulation (honest weights & measures). The early Church itself was Socialist: they sold all they had and everyone was given what they needed because they believed that what they had wasn't theirs, but God's and they, themselves, were not free but God's "personal property" (translated "peculiar people" in the King James.

The Christian Right, is, essentially, a reinterpretation of Christianity to accommodate American materialism - just as the Southern Baptist Church was founded to accommodate slavery. And, in that sense, it is heretical. The Left is not innocent - all too often we trust in government instead of God in different areas than does the Right, but God gets second place either way.

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