Unsuspecting Judges Duped Into Accepting Bogus On-Line Anger Management Classes

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Jun 23, 2011
 
Southern California leads the nation in providing "fraudulent" Anger Management Completion Certificates for $25 with no questions asked. Judges and Prosecutors based on the limited amount of court time for each misdemeanor case are giving credit for these so called "courses" without verifying the legitimacy of the courses or the providers.

The California State Superior Court is one of the first courts in the nation to require that all providers of anger management must complete a 40-hour Anger Management Facilitator Certification Training followed by 16 hours of continuing education on a yearly basis. Further, each CAMF, Certified Anger Management Facilitator must use client workbooks and a Pre and Post Test for each client.

Prosecutors and other court officers should question the legitimacy of all anger management courses and providers nationwide.

George Anderson
Nada Yorke MSW

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Jun 23, 2011
 
George,
I appreciate your concern for legitimacy regarding Anger Management certificiations, however California does NOT have any legal requirements for anger managment-only Batterer Intervention Progras. It is the BIP which requires a 40-hr basic training and 16 hours of CEU per year (PC 1203.097/.098).

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Jun 23, 2011
 
Nada,
While there are no laws anywhere in the nation regulating the practice of anger management, the Superior Courts in California have decided on the guideline listed above. Contact any court in Los Angeles and ask for a copy of the Court list and you will have your own evidence.

Thanks for joining the forum.

George
Nada Yorke MSW

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Jun 23, 2011
 
GeorgeAnd wrote:
Nada,
While there are no laws anywhere in the nation regulating the practice of anger management, the Superior Courts in California have decided on the guideline listed above. Contact any court in Los Angeles and ask for a copy of the Court list and you will have your own evidence.
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I am from Kern County and am a retired Adult Probation Officer. I also know the Supervising Probation Officer in LA County who certifies the domestic violence programs. There is no specific certification for anger management in California. Because of your pioneering work on anger management you may well be on the list, but the law does not mandate the Superior Court Judges/Probation Depts. to use a particular program; hence, many people are often referred to BIP's to satisfy the anger management program.
How long do you recommend a person should spend in an anger management program?

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Jun 24, 2011
 
Nada,
Please click here and be kind enough to summarize this memo from the Superior Court: http://www.saccourt.ca.gov/family/docs/fl-cri...

There is no relationship between Batterers Intervention and Anger Management.
Can you imagine a woman arrested from road rage benefiting from a program designed for spousal abuse. It makes no sense at all and is not supported by the California Courts.

George
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Jun 24, 2011
 
There is nothing that is "evidence based" about "recovery" in the face of persistent and continued censorship. We have drug problems today due to censorship and people are angry about it... with good cause.

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Jun 24, 2011
 
Richard Wilmot wrote:
There is nothing that is "evidence based" about "recovery" in the face of persistent and continued censorship. We have drug problems today due to censorship and people are angry about it... with good cause.
Richard,
It is difficult to know how this relates.

George

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Jun 24, 2011
 
GeorgeAnd wrote:
Nada,
While there are no laws anywhere in the nation regulating the practice of anger management, the Superior Courts in California have decided on the guideline listed above. Contact any court in Los Angeles and ask for a copy of the Court list and you will have your own evidence.
Thanks for joining the forum.
George
Nada,
You may be interested in learning that I participating in writing 1203.097 and 098. Neither anger non anger management is mentioned in either code.

George
Nada Yorke MSW

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Jul 1, 2011
 
sorry for the later reply George, i just saw your post.

I didn't realize you worked with Alyce LaViolette on the DV codes. I'll have to tell her we've connected when I talk with her next week!

I know that 'anger' is not mentioned in those codes, but I only mentioned them because they are the ONLY penal codes (LAW) which details the basic training (40 hours)requirements, as well as the 16 hours of continuing education. You had referred to those requirements as being necessary for anger mananagment, when they are only referring to DV facilitators--which is why I mentioned them. There are no legislated requirements for anger management in California at this time. The anger management requiremnts are instituted by individual county probation departments and Child Welfare agencies.
I wasn't confused, but I was concerned that others might be due to the similar wording. Hope that clarifies what I was trying to convey with my references:)
Nada Yorke MSW

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Jul 1, 2011
 
GeorgeAnd wrote:
Nada,
Please click here and be kind enough to summarize this memo from the Superior Court: http://www.saccourt.ca.gov/family/docs/fl-cri...
There is no relationship between Batterers Intervention and Anger Management.
Can you imagine a woman arrested from road rage benefiting from a program designed for spousal abuse. It makes no sense at all and is not supported by the California Courts.
George
George,
I absolutely agree with your scenario of the road rage situation, although it's not out of the realm of possibility to wonder if her 'road rage' stops at the front door!

I appreciate the link--thank you for sharing. Interestingly, the criteria listed by the Court is exactly what I cover in my curriculum for DV...albiet it's over a 52-week period.

I think the confusion we're having is that the heading of the letter says "Superior Court of California" with "County of Sacramento" in small letters. The Courts must follow what is legislated and in the absence of legislation, they can develop their own criteria. In the county of Sacramento, they have chosen to adopt the criteria which you shared in your link; however, no other county in California is bound to Sacramento's decsion. I admit though, that the memo from Sac County is very comprehensive and other counties would do well to follow their lead!

Since the penal code mandates the DV programs to be certified by the Probation Department, my educated guess is that they also developed the criteria for the anger management. Basically, when it comes to plea bargains a person can get ordered to a 10 or 16 or 20 week anger management program when it really should have been a DV 52-week program. If all the anger management facilitators have to have basically the same training, it improves the outcomes in those cases significantly. Good for them!

Of course, the problem and misunderstandings we're discussing supports the contention that anger management should be legislated so that every county follows the same criteria!

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Jul 2, 2011
 
Your comments simply do not make sense.

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Nada Yorke MSW

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Jul 2, 2011
 
GeorgeAnd wrote:
Your comments simply do not make sense.
George
anything in particular?

My point is that you previously stated the state of California has a mandate on requirements for anger management facilitators. It does not--individual counties do.

The only place where the requirements you listed (40 hr basic training and 16 hours yearly training)are found, is in the California Penal Code where the statutes (PC 1203.097/.098) refer specifically to domestic violence facilitators.

I felt it was important to explain the confusion so people are not mislead.
Hopefully that makes sense.

Since there are no other comments,and this discussion has been only between you and I, this may be a moot point.
Karen L Brinkman MS LP

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Jul 3, 2011
 
I have been following your discussion and find it quite interesting. I'm not aware of any judges in MN that would allow someone to take Anger Management without some sort of face to face contact. There are no requirements other than the obvious professional requirements such as being an LP. LPCC or an LICSW. There should be, however. I do Anger Management, using a pre and post test, a workbook and individual sessions to process what the client is learning - or not in some cases. I use worksheets, the white board for illustrations and to drive home a particular point etc. I do not claim to be an expert but I am in a very rural area and multiple choices for therapy are not readily available. Thanks for your excellent discussion, with all the refinements, on this topic. There is a distinct difference between anger management and DV.
Nada Yorke MSW

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Jul 3, 2011
 
Karen L Brinkman MS LP wrote:
I have been following your discussion and find it quite interesting. I'm not aware of any judges in MN that would allow someone to take Anger Management without some sort of face to face contact. There are no requirements other than the obvious professional requirements such as being an LP. LPCC or an LICSW. There should be, however. I do Anger Management, using a pre and post test, a workbook and individual sessions to process what the client is learning - or not in some cases. I use worksheets, the white board for illustrations and to drive home a particular point etc. I do not claim to be an expert but I am in a very rural area and multiple choices for therapy are not readily available. Thanks for your excellent discussion, with all the refinements, on this topic. There is a distinct difference between anger management and DV.
Thank you Karen. It sounds like you do a good job of combining good practice with adult learning modalities which I'm sure helps the participants to consider changes to their thinking and hopefully behavior. Even with face to face contact I've known of some pretty poor sessions, so I'm glad to hear you use such a variety of ways to reach your clients! In California (and likely other states), the facilitator might only take an online course and 'hang a shingle'!!! Fortunatley, most probation departments are more aware and may require some more training, but they don't need to be a LP or more.
Glad the distinction between AM and DV came through the discussions! take care and good luck with the work you are doing:)
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Aug 4, 2011
 
Always fascinated to follow George on the Internet, spreading false information and confusion, while proclaiming himself to be the Guru of Anger Management, author of laws, leader of behavioral health in California, any any other title he chooses for himself on that particular day.
Alice Williams

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Jul 21, 2012
 
From following the thread it appears that although George is blatantly incorrect concerning the regulations of Anger Management providers, he chooses to spread false and confusing information. George, no, we are not signing up for your certification classes and are still doing great. Kudos and shame on you at the same time for being able to fool the masses.
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#18
Jul 22, 2012
 
Enough. When a supposedly intelligent discussion of what is, in fact, mandated regardless the authority turns into a personal attack upon Mr. Anderson - it is unwarranted, unprofessional and quite frankly, lacks character and dignity of the writer(s). There is not a single critic of Mr. Anderson's who has had the professional accomplishments, overcome adversity across seven decades nor has the clinical insight Mr. Anderson has brought to fields of therapy and psycho-therapy of children as well as attempting to legitimize anger management. Until the critic's professional accomplishments and personal character - meet or exceed those of Mr. Anderson - all that is offered is a professionally and personally deficient opinion.
Mr. Anderson and I have our differences of opinion however I have yet to meet a more insightful, intelligent, and personable human being for whom I have the utmost respect.
PS - Just a suggestion but sticking to the topic, as Mr. Anderson has demonstrated, will allow avoidance of limping from having 'shot yourself in the foot'.

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