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Assange Underground in Toronto: next stop Australia

There are 230 comments on the Crikey story from Sep 11, 2012, titled Assange Underground in Toronto: next stop Australia. In it, Crikey reports that:

Julian Assange probably can't slip out of the Ecuadorian embassy to enjoy London's attractions, but at least there's movie night.

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Mark

Tullamarine, Australia

#130 Oct 13, 2012
huh wrote:
<quoted text>
Every time I read your posts I hear a little 'MEOW'. I refer to your first sentence ;)
HOWEVER, you might, in the interest of fairness, have added the glaringly obvious omission of the AUSTRALIAN government's inability to act responsibly and in the best interests of one of its own citizens. Perhaps even for the 'greater good'. Your lack of mention smacks of the kind of nationalism that is so nauseatingly prevalent in Australians - it's always the fault of Great Britain, or the U.S. because OI OI OI and etc. This is precisely what I referred to earlier.
So this is the last bit of information you'll get from me because I am becoming bored with the conversation: You could begin by examining the way that language is used to persuade; Pilger has some good texts available for this, particularly his later works, in which his language becomes quite manipulative. The study of linguistics will help you with this.
Then you might take a look at Marshal McLuhan's "The Medium is the Message". Some of it has been argued pretty effectively but the basic concept is intriguing. You could also look at "Manufacturing Consent" by Chomsky, for interest.
And then there's the money trail... always interesting to follow the money. Who really has it? What government paid him for the information that he obtained by whatever means? The study of economics, religious and political history textbooks will help you here.
But in the end, I'm not really interested in changing your mind about anything. I don't need to. You're entitled to your heroes. I just don't need them.
If you want to call someone a pussy, just do it outright. It might make you feel better.

Yip, Australian Government actions are also shameful. Problem is its run by politicians who merely pursue their own agenda while maintaining the status quo. Like all politicians, why would being separated by geography make them any different? The people are not though, they’re a good sort. Clever, friendly and enjoy a laugh; much like the English and Americans. You can keep trying to pigeonhole me mate, you might get close eventually, but I’d rather just stick to the topic.

You’ve already agreed that Wikileaks provides good information, being an advocate of Marshall McLuhan’s material is congruent with this. The published material is free to be interpreted from all angles. It provides free scientific and analytical examination to determine if power is used responsibly. I think we agree this was made possible by Assange.

You insist that he is my hero because of this. To clarify, I believe he does not deserve the persecution he is suffering because of this. I believe the attention on him is a misdirection and a media attempt to marginalise Wikileaks. I don’t want a hero. I’d rather have never even learned his name and be grateful that Wikileaks exists without being tainted by a smear campaign. But that is not happening. It is like Galileo being trailed for heresy. Instead of creating a big deal out of this one man, we should all take a step back to view the material for what it is and determine its validity.

Cheers for the reference though. Always a learning opportunity – just have to look for it.

Sorry to have bored you. Good luck with your pursuit of the truth.
yeppers

Australia

#131 Oct 14, 2012
Sounds to me like you've ended up saying the same thing :)
John

Brisbane, Australia

#132 Oct 14, 2012
Mr Humbert wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iGp3mUIemL0XX
Have you ever hated someone SO MUCH YOU WANNA GODDAMN SCREAM! This Assange asshole is a piece of work.
NOW A MOVIE for godsake! For this TERRORIST! And you wonder why THE WORLD HATES YOU AUSTRALIA?
No its not because you don't tip or go barefooted. Thats forgiveable. Aussie Aussie oi oi chant is grating BUT TO SUPPORT THIS TERRORIST is unforgiveable and it MEANS YOU ARE AMERICA's ENEMY.
See you in WW3 deadbeats.......
Julian Assange is a hero!!
He's a hero!!!!
He exposed American corruption and evil!!!!!!
A tip?
You want a tip Humbert??
Alright, I'll give you a tip - stop blaming Assange and us for America's pathetic problems and do something about the corrupt tyrants who have hijacked your country Humbert.
UScitizenAbroad

Tolland, Australia

#133 Oct 14, 2012
Here's a tip:

Humbert is not an American. ;)

“NO ANZUS”

Since: Nov 10

Southern California

#134 Oct 15, 2012
UScitizenAbroad wrote:
Here's a tip:
Humbert is not an American. ;)
Do you need to take shower after you post here? Like scrub down real hard with abrasive brush. YOU SOLD YOUR SOUL to China. Embraced Australia and Assange and STABBED AMERICA IN BACK.

And IM NOT AMERICAN? No sir YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN. You are Australian-CHINESE. TRAITOR!
Poorsh driver

Adelaide, Australia

#135 Oct 15, 2012
Mr Humbert wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you need to take shower after you post here? Like scrub down real hard with abrasive brush. YOU SOLD YOUR SOUL to China. Embraced Australia and Assange and STABBED AMERICA IN BACK.
And IM NOT AMERICAN? No sir YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN. You are Australian-CHINESE. TRAITOR!
You are a Taliban stirrer, do us a favour and strap a bomb to yourself and blow up a letterbox

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#136 Oct 15, 2012
Mr Humbert wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you need to take shower after you post here? Like scrub down real hard with abrasive brush. YOU SOLD YOUR SOUL to China. Embraced Australia and Assange and STABBED AMERICA IN BACK.
And IM NOT AMERICAN? No sir YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN. You are Australian-CHINESE. TRAITOR!
C'mon Humbug, you know China owns your arse in bonds....and that they are buying up your land etc...why are you attacking a nice country like Australia for trading with the same partners you trade with...it doesn't make any sense, does it!
And you like Australia, the PM and the people so why the lies?:)
gracie

Australia

#137 Oct 15, 2012
UScitizenAbroad wrote:
Here's a tip:

Humbert is not an American. ;)
That is obvious. He is a foreign anti-Western shiitstirrer seeking to divide us. You are a good guy and are right.
UScitizenAbroad

Tolland, Australia

#138 Oct 15, 2012
Mr Humbert wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you need to take shower after you post here? Like scrub down real hard with abrasive brush. YOU SOLD YOUR SOUL to China. Embraced Australia and Assange and STABBED AMERICA IN BACK.
And IM NOT AMERICAN? No sir YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN. You are Australian-CHINESE. TRAITOR!
I suggest you simmer down and just slurp another big bowl of noodles. How can you sow seeds of discord between fabulous friends, allies and cultural kin - US and Australia - with your current deranged state of mind? Hmmm ?:)

Also, with all this anger, how can you concentrate on effectively learning Western/US/Australian history, culture and current affairs ? You are still so infantile in your knowledge.

How's your online google-schooling on US Presidents these days? Don't worry, will keep your quizzes going. It's never too late to learn.

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#139 Oct 16, 2012
Mr Humbert wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you need to take shower after you post here? Like scrub down real hard with abrasive brush. YOU SOLD YOUR SOUL to China. Embraced Australia and Assange and STABBED AMERICA IN BACK.
And IM NOT AMERICAN? No sir YOU ARE NOT AMERICAN. You are Australian-CHINESE. TRAITOR!
If you are from America Humbert, I think it's time for you to give up drinking alcohol all the time like you claim you do. personally I think your from the Middle East myself

“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#140 Oct 16, 2012
Assange had / has come along at a time in history when much of the world is going to hell in a hand basket and people were /are desperately wanting and needing somebody to stand up for the *TRUTH* and speak the *TRUTH* instead of handing out spin and lies on a daily basis!

I've read his book, watched the movie, seen most of his interviews, followed him closely for some years, and now I've got this to say.

Yes - he's an arrogant sob. Which he admits.

Yes - he has an inflated ego. Which he admits.

Yes - he bucks the system and goes against the norm. Which he admits.

Yes - he hasn't been an overly attentive partner or such a great father - which he admits.

If he wasn't all the above then he wouldn't have the guts to be doing what he is. He's sacrificed much in his life to follow a "cause for humanity" because he actually DID and DOES care.

No - he is NOT a rapist. Which he states. He also has NOT been accused of rape by the 2 women involved.

He's wanted in Sweden for having *consensual* sex ***without using a condom***- which is apparently illegal in Sweden.

He was a teenage hacker for fun and simply because he could. It all started as a challenge and because he had a forever questioning and challenging mind.

When he was 19 he discovered covert and illegal cover-ups by the US government which had cost many thousands of lives. This was extremely upsetting information and he did not know what to do about or with that information.

When he was caught by the police (the main cop wasn't even against him but had to do his job) he tried to tell that cop what was going on - the cop wouldn't / couldn't believe him because he said that no government would deliberately do what Assange was saying. Assange told him to check out the information on his computer, he said the proof of what he was saying was all on there - but the cop wouldn't.

So that's how it all began... Wikileaks was born.

He WILL go down in history as one of the true crusaders of our time.
Anonymous

Nollamara, Australia

#141 Oct 16, 2012
Mr Humbert wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iGp3mUIemL0XX
Have you ever hated someone SO MUCH YOU WANNA GODDAMN SCREAM! This Assange asshole is a piece of work.
NOW A MOVIE for godsake! For this TERRORIST! And you wonder why THE WORLD HATES YOU AUSTRALIA?
No its not because you don't tip or go barefooted. Thats forgiveable. Aussie Aussie oi oi chant is grating BUT TO SUPPORT THIS TERRORIST is unforgiveable and it MEANS YOU ARE AMERICA's ENEMY.
See you in WW3 deadbeats.......
Assange is doing the right thing. He has the right to speak his oppinions and not be falsely convicted of terrorist rights. The only anti American here is you. You have fog gotten what America represented to the rest of the world and that is freedom. It's sad to see America becoming a dictatorship where the rights of individuals are being destroyed with the constitution and bill of rights.
yeah right

Adelaide, Australia

#142 Oct 16, 2012
Look - it's good that the information is out there - but Australians love him because he's AUSTRALIAN full stop.

You don't give a rats' about whether or not he's interested in the truth. Everyone on here knows perfectly well that if he were American you'd be pissing all over him and if he were AFRICAN-American you'd dismiss him and if were a FEMALE African American he would have been killed already and no one would have paid any attention anyway or cared.

Just admit that you're all a pack of nationalistic anti-EVERYONE in the universe but white Australian males and get real for once. The love of Assange's 'truth' is nothing but window dressing for what you're really about.

Go ahead - prove me WRONG. No, don't bother - you can't.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#143 Oct 16, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
Assange had / has come along at a time in history when much of the world is going to hell in a hand basket and people were /are desperately wanting and needing somebody to stand up for the *TRUTH* and speak the *TRUTH* instead of handing out spin and lies on a daily basis!
I've read his book, watched the movie, seen most of his interviews, followed him closely for some years, and now I've got this to say.
Yes - he's an arrogant sob. Which he admits.
Yes - he has an inflated ego. Which he admits.
Yes - he bucks the system and goes against the norm. Which he admits.
Yes - he hasn't been an overly attentive partner or such a great father - which he admits.
If he wasn't all the above then he wouldn't have the guts to be doing what he is. He's sacrificed much in his life to follow a "cause for humanity" because he actually DID and DOES care.
No - he is NOT a rapist. Which he states. He also has NOT been accused of rape by the 2 women involved.
He's wanted in Sweden for having *consensual* sex ***without using a condom***- which is apparently illegal in Sweden.
He was a teenage hacker for fun and simply because he could. It all started as a challenge and because he had a forever questioning and challenging mind.
When he was 19 he discovered covert and illegal cover-ups by the US government which had cost many thousands of lives. This was extremely upsetting information and he did not know what to do about or with that information.
When he was caught by the police (the main cop wasn't even against him but had to do his job) he tried to tell that cop what was going on - the cop wouldn't / couldn't believe him because he said that no government would deliberately do what Assange was saying. Assange told him to check out the information on his computer, he said the proof of what he was saying was all on there - but the cop wouldn't.
So that's how it all began... Wikileaks was born.
He WILL go down in history as one of the true crusaders of our time.
Another great post Gotta!:)

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#144 Oct 16, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
Assange had / has come along at a time in history when much of the world is going to hell in a hand basket and people were /are desperately wanting and needing somebody to stand up for the *TRUTH* and speak the *TRUTH* instead of handing out spin and lies on a daily basis!
I've read his book, watched the movie, seen most of his interviews, followed him closely for some years, and now I've got this to say.
Yes - he's an arrogant sob. Which he admits.
Yes - he has an inflated ego. Which he admits.
Yes - he bucks the system and goes against the norm. Which he admits.
Yes - he hasn't been an overly attentive partner or such a great father - which he admits.
If he wasn't all the above then he wouldn't have the guts to be doing what he is. He's sacrificed much in his life to follow a "cause for humanity" because he actually DID and DOES care.
No - he is NOT a rapist. Which he states. He also has NOT been accused of rape by the 2 women involved.
He's wanted in Sweden for having *consensual* sex ***without using a condom***- which is apparently illegal in Sweden.
He was a teenage hacker for fun and simply because he could. It all started as a challenge and because he had a forever questioning and challenging mind.
When he was 19 he discovered covert and illegal cover-ups by the US government which had cost many thousands of lives. This was extremely upsetting information and he did not know what to do about or with that information.
When he was caught by the police (the main cop wasn't even against him but had to do his job) he tried to tell that cop what was going on - the cop wouldn't / couldn't believe him because he said that no government would deliberately do what Assange was saying. Assange told him to check out the information on his computer, he said the proof of what he was saying was all on there - but the cop wouldn't.
So that's how it all began... Wikileaks was born.
He WILL go down in history as one of the true crusaders of our time.
How come he has never put information on Islamic crimes, Terrorist activities and Rogue states for?

“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#145 Oct 16, 2012
yeah right wrote:
Look - it's good that the information is out there - but Australians love him because he's AUSTRALIAN full stop.
You don't give a rats' about whether or not he's interested in the truth. Everyone on here knows perfectly well that if he were American you'd be pissing all over him and if he were AFRICAN-American you'd dismiss him and if were a FEMALE African American he would have been killed already and no one would have paid any attention anyway or cared.
Just admit that you're all a pack of nationalistic anti-EVERYONE in the universe but white Australian males and get real for once. The love of Assange's 'truth' is nothing but window dressing for what you're really about.
Go ahead - prove me WRONG. No, don't bother - you can't.
Well you are SO wrong mate it's not funny. Even if he was an albino midget or an African blow-darter or as ugly as a hat full of a'holes and doing what he's doing, I'd still be on his side. In fact, if I was his partner/wife I'd be sitting at the computer right beside him any hour of the night or day, helping him in any way I could.

HE is what we need another 10,000 of and then NO f'ing government in the world would be the least bit game to even try the shit on that WE let them get away with so easily now!

The fact that he's Australian AND a QUEENSLANDER is just a double bonus.
yeah right

Adelaide, Australia

#146 Oct 16, 2012
Republican Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
How come he has never put information on Islamic crimes, Terrorist activities and Rogue states for?
Because that isn't on his agenda of 'truth'. The only truth he's interested in resides in the U.S. because bottom line he's just another America hater looking for a target to hit in order to bolster a weak ego.

Now as far as I'm concerned, the U.S. is perfectly capable of leaking its own documents without the assistance of anyone else. And again if he weren't AUSTRALIAN no one would give a sh*t about him here because by and large Australians are not interested in 'the truth' at all. They're interested in lining their own pockets and defending a way of life that doesn't even exist for most of the people who live here.

“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#147 Oct 16, 2012
Republican Eagle wrote:
<quoted text>
How come he has never put information on Islamic crimes, Terrorist activities and Rogue states for?
Why don't you ask him, or read his book? Perhaps it might have something to do with the FACT that the West is sleeping with the enemy, and the peons who have to fight the good fight for their governments are getting killed because of it - along with thousands of innocent people over there? And the FACT that the West is willingly importing these people and then go over there to kill them on their own soil? And the FACT that it's got absolutely nothing at all to do with WMD's or keeping the terrorists from our own lands (we IMPORT them for christ's sake!) or freeing the people from the tyrany of their leaders - but EVERYTHING to do with occupied control and raping their lands for what they want and need?

We are used to the lies that third world warring countries live their lives by, but it comes as a bit of a shock when you find out that your very own countrymen in government are guilty of even worse deception. You just don't expect it from your own, do you.???

If you've never read 'The Emperors Clothes' site, I suggest you do - that would open your eyes to past deceptions you would never dream a government would be capable of. If you're interested google "Northwood Documents". Then find out what happened with the USS Cole too - very enlightening. That's what makes it very feasable that 9/11 WAS an inside job.
yeah right

Adelaide, Australia

#148 Oct 16, 2012
Gottaliv wrote:
<quoted text>
Well you are SO wrong mate it's not funny. Even if he was an albino midget or an African blow-darter or as ugly as a hat full of a'holes and doing what he's doing, I'd still be on his side. In fact, if I was his partner/wife I'd be sitting at the computer right beside him any hour of the night or day, helping him in any way I could.
HE is what we need another 10,000 of and then NO f'ing government in the world would be the least bit game to even try the shit on that WE let them get away with so easily now!
The fact that he's Australian AND a QUEENSLANDER is just a double bonus.
Yes, I can see you both sitting at the computer looking at all of the various flaws in the U.S. government while the kids eat paint instead of food and die, your house goes to ruin and you both starve to death while your teeth fall out. All funded by the Australian Government, too.

It seems to me that you pay no attention to anyone but yourselves and you define 'yourselves' as white male Australians against the world - and "the world" is all other western nations first and every other second. That's the 'truth' of it and it's neither admirable, nor intelligent.

“We don't have to take it”

Since: Jun 08

WhereTFamI?

#149 Oct 16, 2012
yeah right wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I can see you both sitting at the computer looking at all of the various flaws in the U.S. government while the kids eat paint instead of food and die, your house goes to ruin and you both starve to death while your teeth fall out. All funded by the Australian Government, too.
It seems to me that you pay no attention to anyone but yourselves and you define 'yourselves' as white male Australians against the world - and "the world" is all other western nations first and every other second. That's the 'truth' of it and it's neither admirable, nor intelligent.
WEll guess what? I can't "define" myself as a "white male Australian" because I'm FEmale you twit.

I don't know where you get your information from (pull it outta ya ass by the sounds of it) but Assange has NEVER had government funding or welfare and a week ago he had ALL his teeth as well. And the reason he concentrated initially on the US gov is because that's where it all starts.

Assange doesn't have a house to "go to ruin" and has no possessions - he sees past the pretty pictures the gov paints for the brain-dead, and recognises the bigger picture outside the square for what it really is.

Funny how some people always want to shoot the messengers of the truth and hang and quarter the whistleblowers, all the while sticking up for the corrupt and dishonest eh?

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