Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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<quoted text>Your post also reeks of negativity and hate. How do you justify such hypocrisy?
How do YOU justify hypocrisy?

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It's not an assumption to ask you what gives you the right to condemn someone else's beliefs. It's a question. Being human does not give you the right. Or else we wouldn't teach the necessity of respect to our children.
We condemn the belief. If you hold it and advocate for it, we are critical of that choice. There is no reason to respect any faith based opinion or religion. But that is never an issue when it is held privately, is it?

Advocacy is more than belief, and anybody that advocates for an idea is at risk of being criticized for it, especially in an anonymous Internet forum.

If you're going to dangle your religious beliefs out there like a piñata before people that you know don't think much of them, you can't expect them to be smacked.

You'll find that most of us have heard more than we want to know already, and aren't too curious to hear about your religion. You said that you were curious about some of ours.

But what I got is that what you actually want is to express yours, and you expect to be respected when you do. Sorry. There are many reasons why that's not possible, such as that the Christian church is not respectable. Nor is promoting it, which you do when you argue for its god or bible.

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How do YOU justify hypocrisy?
He has none to justify.
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You know nothing about chemistry or biology, much less biochemistry, that is evident. Things are not labeled as poison because they're good for you.
Science is of course hostile to all religions! Religions are not the least to do with science.It is ludicrious to science keepbound with religions!

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What happened in Salem was an isolated event. It was not common practice among the religious in all of colonial America. Not too long ago, Americans supported racial persecution and segregation not only privately but politically. Would you consider that an example of the "utter" moral collaspe of a secular society?
Consider the enormous amount of evidence there is to support the notion that there really were witches in Salem:

The governor of Massachusetts (William Phips) was involved. A court was established with the prosecution, defence and judge; all respected pillars of the local communities.

Thorough investigations were carried out and witness were cross-examined. A lot of evidence was gathered and many people confessed. All these proceedings were documented with hundreds of sworn affidavits, interviews and other court documents.

In other words a scale of evidence and testimonies far in excess of anything there is for Jesus.

The Salem Witch Trials were fairly recent and we have the original documents, not copies of copies of copies, made centuries later. We have the sworn and signed eye-witness testimonies from the very people who observed the magical events taking place.

There are even volumes written by witnesses to the trial. The evidence is plentiful.

If you look at what happened in 17th century Salem the same way that you look at what happened in 2000-year old Jerusalem, how can those people not have been witches?
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This is an argument - that they didn't do it too much? I don't think Dahmer has people for dinner that often, either.
And it was hardly an isolated incident. History is rife with Christian sadism.
You mentioned Salem specifically.
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<quoted text>That was a moral failure - a black eye for America, especially the American South.
I see. When atheists are involved, it's just a moral failure, not an "utter" moral failure. How convenient.
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<quoted text>If you want others to value your church, it has to outperfom the alternatives. Isn't that what you were implying that it could do when you posted that ...
The belief in gods and an afterlife is a common fact of human nature demonstrated across different cultures for centuries. You atheists must demonstrate how denying your human nature has value.
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<quoted text>"the atrocities of godless communist regimes where millions of people were mainmed and killed. The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of only fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined! The historical record of collective atheism is thousands of times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous bloodbath, the Spanish Inquisition"
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/atheism/T...
Weren't you warning us of the moral turpitude of atheism so that we might value your church more? The slavers were Christians. What use is such a religion if we can do as well or as badly without it?
No. I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
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I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
I have already mentioned that, but there are no better deaf than atheists who don't want to hear!

Regimes based on atheist doctrine (USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea, etc...) have killed an enormous number of people during the 20th century, mostly believers.

But do you know what atheists say? well, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Kim Ill jung were religionist during their youth !!
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...The belief in gods and an afterlife is a common fact of human nature demonstrated across different cultures for centuries....
Belief in god(s) is superstition and superstition is declining in the face of science and education. I think the communications and globalisation revolutions through which we are living has accelerated the process.

Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology

It's really that simple.
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Consider the enormous amount of evidence there is to support the notion that there really were witches in Salem:
The governor of Massachusetts (William Phips) was involved. A court was established with the prosecution, defence and judge; all respected pillars of the local communities.
Thorough investigations were carried out and witness were cross-examined. A lot of evidence was gathered and many people confessed. All these proceedings were documented with hundreds of sworn affidavits, interviews and other court documents.
In other words a scale of evidence and testimonies far in excess of anything there is for Jesus.
The Salem Witch Trials were fairly recent and we have the original documents, not copies of copies of copies, made centuries later. We have the sworn and signed eye-witness testimonies from the very people who observed the magical events taking place.
There are even volumes written by witnesses to the trial. The evidence is plentiful.
So was the evidence in Stalin's "show trials" that resulted in the deaths of thousands and not just fourteen women and five men.
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I have already mentioned that, but there are no better deaf than atheists who don't want to hear!..
How you of all contributors can write that! Lol!

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So was the evidence in Stalin's "show trials" that resulted in the deaths of thousands and not just fourteen women and five men.
I was comparing the evidence for witches in Salem to the evidence for magical goings-on in ancient Jerusalem.

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<quoted text>Belief in god(s) is superstition and superstition is declining in the face of science and education. I think the communications and globalisation revolutions through which we are living has accelerated the process.
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
It's really that simple.
You atheists are a hypocritical lot. You claim that fantasies about superhuman beings are a waste of time. You will thumb your noses at Jesus as superstition, and then log onto World of Warcraft so you can pretend to be an orc for hours.
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More trouble?...From:
http://www.sfcg.org/programmes/jerusalem/Univ...
"Holy sites are places of profound significance and sacred religious attachment whose special character and integrity are to be preserved and protected against all violence and desecration."
And
"In codifying issues of definitions, access, education, sharing, establishment, reconstruction, memorialisation, expropriation, excavation, research and monitoring of holy sites, this Universal Code on Holy Sites lays out the foundation for a cooperative, concrete implementation plan for preventing and ending conflict in relation to sacred places."
Unquote.

How many wars has 'holding things sacred' caused?

Religion, ideology and nationalism are the three main causes of human conflict. Try having a war without them. Religion is the easiest to dispose of and it will end one lot of senseless divisions and fighting 'in the name of God'.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sacred
Sacred implies "to",(as in 'this is sacred to me'). Places, objects, good books, practices involving halal meats, child mutilation or whatever aren't inherently sacred. Almost nothing is sacred to everyone without exceptions. There is only democracy and consensus about things and issues. In that sense, nothing is sacred.
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<quoted text>Belief in god(s) is superstition and superstition is declining in the face of science and education. I think the communications and globalisation revolutions through which we are living has accelerated the process.
Religion = superstition
Theology = mythology
It's really that simple.
You have a very simplistic view about religions, far too rationalist. You think it's only about belief.

The fact is that religions aren't only about beliefs, but about traditions, cultures, mentalities, philosophy, etc... transmitted from generation to generation.

Not every christian, muslim, jew, indu, buddhist, sikh, are 100% behind the dogma, or even understand it, but most feel part of a community that has deep rooted origins. Many people become lapsed christian, non-practising muslim, etc... but still cling to the identity belonging to a faith gives them.

Atheists may be right or not, I don't care, but atheism doesn't bring the same warmth and cohesion belonging to a religion does.

As for "Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038", who do the "religionists" will have to surrender too? LOL

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You mentioned Salem specifically.
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I see. When atheists are involved, it's just a moral failure, not an "utter" moral failure. How convenient.
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The belief in gods and an afterlife is a common fact of human nature demonstrated across different cultures for centuries. You atheists must demonstrate how denying your human nature has value.
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No. I was demonstrating how atheism has its own history of brutality, violence and genocide.
No, you were making the fallacy of equivocation, also known as the false cause.

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You atheists are a hypocritical lot. You claim that fantasies about superhuman beings are a waste of time. You will thumb your noses at Jesus as superstition, and then log onto World of Warcraft so you can pretend to be an orc for hours.
WoW is a waste of computer processes. Why do you play it so much?

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As for "Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038", who do the "religionists" will have to surrender too? LOL
Your rational mind.

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You have a very simplistic view about religions, far too rationalist. You think it's only about belief.
The fact is that religions aren't only about beliefs, but about traditions, cultures, mentalities, philosophy, etc... transmitted from generation to generation.
Not every christian, muslim, jew, indu, buddhist, sikh, are 100% behind the dogma, or even understand it, but most feel part of a community that has deep rooted origins. Many people become lapsed christian, non-practising muslim, etc... but still cling to the identity belonging to a faith gives them.
Atheists may be right or not, I don't care, but atheism doesn't bring the same warmth and cohesion belonging to a religion does.
As for "Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038", who do the "religionists" will have to surrender too? LOL
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/middle-ground

You should not utilize fallacies, it destroys your argument without the need to refute it.

Atheism is not an ideology, it's a descriptive about one very specific notion, and nothing more. It cannot "bring" you anything, it cannot "say" anything, it cannot "tell you" anything. It is only the lack of belief in gods, that's it. Of course this escapes some atheists as well, but if you're going to try to make an argument, you shouldn't use something that is demonstrably inaccurate as the basis of it.
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Atheism is not an ideology, it's a descriptive about one very specific notion, and nothing more. It cannot "bring" you anything, it cannot "say" anything, it cannot "tell you" anything. It is only the lack of belief in gods, that's it. Of course this escapes some atheists as well, but if you're going to try to make an argument, you shouldn't use something that is demonstrably inaccurate as the basis of it.
I do not wish to make an argument, I just mention my observations.

Atheists, mostly fanatics like yourself, seek nothing less than destroying religions. Fine, but they don't bring anything to fill the vacuum created. That's why many people cling to a religion or another, even if they aren't totally convinced about it.

People may believe in deity or not, but most still claim to have a religion. Repudiating a religion would be for many like jumping off a cliff; there is no return.

Beside, as a confessed "agnostic" christian told me, atheism don't provide such nice religious services at the important moments in your life. He was being candid and honest about it!
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Your rational mind.
There will be no defeat then ...

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