Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11413 Jan 25, 2013
Adam wrote:
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Interesting article. Christianity is definately on the decline in the UK.
Yep. Proof that in the UK, at least, the adults are winning this one.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11414 Jan 25, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Congratulations!
Hiding! Good to see your post.

:D

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11415 Jan 25, 2013
polymath257 wrote:
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I'm not sure. Suppose we had a situation where to preserve the human race we had to rape ALL the women alive at some time. Would that be justified? Your scenario feels much like that.

And the problem is that justifications like this have been used throughout history to perpetrate horrid crimes against humanity. And that leads me to think ALL such justifications are problematic, at least. Once again, better to let the human race die out than this.
I would say, in that particular scenario, the race will go extinct. From an ethical point of view, no other outcome is acceptable.

Unless, obviously, there existed a way to (with permission) use human ova, and mix with volunteered sperm, and gestate the result in an external womb.

Or, perhaps, some sort of cloning technique.

Any race that has to survive, by committing an atrocity? Should not survive at all.

But that's just me: I don't see survival as trumping everything else-- I just don't.

In direct contrast to the "morality" of the BuyBull, of course.

We humans have learned superior morality than what the BuyBull teaches, certainly.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11416 Jan 25, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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What if...what...if ... the first day was like, the big bang and the second day was like...13 billion years later...and then later that day, Earth...and then later that day, you get water...and then we fudge the birds and bats thing a bit, add some fish, twist stuff around, make humans appear too early,'cause the writer is stupid and ignorant, and God's logically impossible, and we throw all kinds of caveats in there, a few "but...but...but"s and add some illogic, irrationality and gross amounts of the opposite of education and teach it to gullible children?
Hey?!? What then, huh???
It'd still be unethical-- in that all the responsibility for all evil would still rest on the god of the story.

And once you go down the road of "absolve responsibility for actions" path? You get... a nation where huge fractions of the population is in prison.

... wait.

Oh... my.... this isn't good.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11417 Jan 25, 2013
Henry wrote:
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There is high time for Americans to become atheists!
Agreed.

We are working on it-- at last count, the fraction of "not associated with religion" was around 20-25% or so.

And rising rapidly-- higher among the younger crowd, than among the older set.

There is hope for us after all.

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11418 Jan 25, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Lol! Where do you get them from?
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Wow! Holy Hypocrisy
Catholicism. Thy name is spelled "h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e"

Is anyone really surprised at this?

:)

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#11419 Jan 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
I accepted mtimber's conditions: they were the last two people in the world, and she was unwilling to procreate. It was a pretty simple ethical problem,although mtimber thinks I made the wrong choice.
Let's test our ethical IQs with a moral dilemma as an exercise in ethics. What would you do? This test only has one question, but a difficult one. Please don't answer it without giving it careful thought. By giving your most honest answer, you will discover where you stand on the moral spectrum.
The test features a fictional situation, one in which you will have to make a difficult decision. Your answer should be spontaneous - given within a few seconds of reading the question.
Ready? Begin!
You're in New Orleans in 2005, and there is chaos everywhere around you caused by hurricane Katrina and the resultant flooding. You are a photojournalist working for a major newspaper caught in the middle of this great disaster. The situation is overwhelming, and you're trying to shoot career-making photos, as houses and people swirl around you, some disappearing under the water.
Then you see a man in the water fighting for his life, trying not to be swept away with the water and debris. You move closer. Somehow the man looks familiar. Suddenly, you know who it is ... it's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under, forever.
You have two options. You can save him, or you can take the most dramatic photos of your career. You can save George W. Bush's life, or you can shoot a sure Pulitzer Prize winning photo of him dying.
Here's the dilemma: Color, or would you rather go with the classic simplicity and aesthetic value of black and white?
Color. You can always convert a color photo to black and white later.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#11420 Jan 25, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text> Anything that can be done, should be done. There are live humans at risk.
That is not true in the case of the man raping the woman. There is no one to save but himself and/or her. There are too many other possibilities not stated in the original post, but even if there wasn't 'rape is still rape', and the victim of this rape is a factor which may end up deleting both the rapist and the pregnancy from the equation.
What killed off the human population, are there any way for other humans to have survived, will these two be able to continue to survive, is the detritus of this human eradication something that an infant could survive, does the only woman left on earth know any of this?
If someone was to ask me a hypothetical question, I don't think I'd answer.

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#11421 Jan 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
Just to point out to those that keep responding to me, I can now be engaged on this thread:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TUGI0DV...
Follow you?

Didn't you see the sign? We are atheist, following is not what we do, it goes against our nature. But you do know where the door is, right? Tata.

Since: Mar 11

United States

#11422 Jan 25, 2013
Actually thy would make sense as soon as he started posting Derek4 stopped. It seems likely Derek4 could have been banned for flooding the threads with his trolling and spam and had to switch to another screen name. I mean this timber chump shows up out of nowhere and floods the threads with trolling and spam same as Derek4.
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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I would be he's using a proxy, due to having been bannated by Topix.
How much you want to bet on that?
:D

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#11423 Jan 25, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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If someone was to ask me a hypothetical question, I don't think I'd answer.
Sure you would.
:)See? >>> Color. You can always conver a color photo to black and white later.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#11425 Jan 25, 2013
Reason Personified wrote:
Sure you would.
:)See? >>> Color. You can always conver a color photo to black and white later.
I was speaking hypocritically.

:)
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#11426 Jan 25, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I was speaking hypocritically.
:)
You mean... your True Colors?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#11427 Jan 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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The garden was a display of child abuse writ large.
Period.
There is no other interpretation that makes any sense.
This being, who was the de-facto parents of Adam & Eve, deliberately and with malice, placed a known killer and evil being within this "garden".
And then, deliberately and with malice, turned away, blind to the fates of his children.
And then, deliberately and with evil intent, stood by allowing the mental-rape of the children to take place.
And then, acting on his evil intent, proceeds to torture the children for failing to best another god in a contest of wits.
All the fault, all the responsibility falls directly onto your god:
1) he failed to create beings who could withstand argument from another god (snake)
2) he failed to give them understanding of consequences (they had no knowledge of good or evil, remember)
3) he failed to stick around to protect them from harm
4) he failed to remove dangerous gods from his "garden"-- knowing the consequences of that failure (omniscient, remember?).
5) he proceeded to punish these children for HIS OWN MISTAKES.
That last one is evil without limit-- but he makes it worse:
6) he proceeds to PUNISH all subsequent generations! Even though they were innocent of ANY wrongdoing! That is even more evil--
I think it is "literal interpretation" of Genesis and Bible that has contributed towards this Atheist movement in Western countries.

Neither Bible nor book of Genesis should be interpreted literally, because these books were not "dictated by God" .

Church has done great dis-service to their religion by insisting that Biblical books are revealed word of God and insisted on its literal interpretation.

The Church's illogical stand has been a major factor for origin and rise of Atheism in the West.

And the problem is that when they start rejecting Bible, they reject all scriptures, because in their view, there can never be any book or scripture better or more authentic than their Bible.

So the church has caused more people to go away from religion and then reject all religions and all books of God.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#11428 Jan 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Excellent analysis.
If there are some sort of "higher god-laws" that permit a god or gods to exist? From whence came these higher laws? A higher god?
What allowed the higher-order of god or gods? A higher-order of laws?
From whence came those?
And so on, ad infinitum, an infinite regression upwards, ever-higher laws requiring ever-higher gods to implement them.
It never ends well, does it?
:D
Hey Bob!

What are you doing here?!? Go farm more guild renown!!! Grrrrrrr!

Just kidding. My damned dell is in the shop so I am here...procrastinating...

will stop now. Life awaits!

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#11429 Jan 25, 2013
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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It'd still be unethical-- in that all the responsibility for all evil would still rest on the god of the story.
And once you go down the road of "absolve responsibility for actions" path? You get... a nation where huge fractions of the population is in prison.
... wait.
Oh... my.... this isn't good.
hahahaha!

No, no it is not good! Creationism is child abuse.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#11430 Jan 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Really? I'd like to see what he wrote. Can you direct me to that?
I'm checking around....whew....he was a prolific writer, one of my faves.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#11431 Jan 25, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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So you are a pro-lifer I assume and against abortion?
Based on what moral standard?
There is a difference between the murder of a living, breathing infant or killing a living, breathing pregnant woman and the removal of a clump of nonsentient cells.

“Exercise Your Brain”

Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#11433 Jan 25, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Yes, we know.
That's why you condone genocide, killing of gays, killing of those who exercise freedom of religion, etc.
But abortion is WRONG, you have to wait and murder them right?

“Quantum Junctn: Use Both Lanes”

Since: Dec 06

Tulsa, Oklahoma USofA

#11434 Jan 25, 2013
Givemeliberty wrote:
Actually thy would make sense as soon as he started posting Derek4 stopped. It seems likely Derek4 could have been banned for flooding the threads with his trolling and spam and had to switch to another screen name. I mean this timber chump shows up out of nowhere and floods the threads with trolling and spam same as Derek4.
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Yeah.

SPAMMING is about the only strategy they have, as none of their "arguments" carry any weight with people who think.

:)

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