Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Apr 25, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Psychology Today

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Who do sunni suicide bombers pray to before they murder shiites?
Who do shiite suicide bombers pray to before they murder sunnis?
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May be the Church of England was also doing the same? Or was it War between catholics and Protestants?

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I have been presenting logical arguments like the argument:

That the atheist in their desperation to deny God, ends up having to deny all the transcendent laws that govern the universe, in particular those relating to morality and logic. So much so that they are reduced to logical absurdity, clearly showing their worldview has some major issues that precludes them even engaging in logical discussions...
Sorry, but I don't see a logical argument there. I don't see any kind of argument. These are merely unsupported claims. You haven't established that atheists are desperate, that we deny any law, that our position is logically absurd, or that our worldviews preclude engaging in logical discussion. You have merely claimed these things. You haven't even defined them.

In fact, this reply defeats your claim. This is a well reasoned rebuttal.

Were you aware that atheism is not a worldview?

Were you aware that a perfect god that makes mistakes is logically impossible? Such a thing would violate the law of noncontradiction.

What is "God"? Is that Jehovah-Jesus to you? That god is impossible for many reasons, including the one just given. Of course I deny it. It would be unreasonable to do otherwise.

Reason is on the side of the rational skeptics, not faith based thinkers. Faith itself, which is a repudiation of reason, is a logical error.

Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.- Mike Huben

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You think that rape is wrong. That is because you are appealing to a greater absolute moral standard than you can account for in your atheism.
I suggest that you ask me why I believe what I believe rather than tell me.

I can easily account for the dictum that rape is immoral without appeal to anything outside of the heads of men. Polymath already has recently in this thread.

You've been listening to William Lane Craig, haven't you? He's not a very good philosopher. Like Dembski, his thought is faith based and he's agenda driven.

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That's why priests f**k kids. The bible's cool with paedophilia so long as its heterosexual paedophilia.
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As you likely know, former Arkansas governor and rabid fundamentalist Mike Huckabee says that the children at Newtown died because his god was expelled from their school.

But that is ridiculous, even if that god existed. If it won't protect children in churches - if it stands aside and lets them be raped right under giant crucifixes and stained glass windows erected in its honor - it sure isn't going to protect children in schools.

"Mike Huckabee blames getting God out of classroom for shootings"
http://www.abpnews.com/culture/social-issues/...

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Why shouldn't there be a God is my question? What's there to look forward to after you die? Why would you fight so hard to to prove that a person does not exist, when that same person is willing to offer you salvation? Doest make sense..
Then you don't really care about your beliefs being correct, just about them comforting you.

Incidentally, secularism isn't about gods, which probably do not exist. It's about religion and your pernicious church, which definitely do.
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How's that going for him?

If someone said something similar in the UK following a tragedy you'd write them off as a mental and/or a fundamentalist muslim.
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As you likely know, former Arkansas governor and rabid fundamentalist Mike Huckabee says that the children at Newtown died because his god was expelled from their school.
But that is ridiculous, even if that god existed. If it won't protect children in churches - if it stands aside and lets them be raped right under giant crucifixes and stained glass windows erected in its honor - it sure isn't going to protect children in schools.
"Mike Huckabee blames getting God out of classroom for shootings"
http://www.abpnews.com/culture/social-issues/...
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Then you don't really care about your beliefs being correct, just about them comforting you.
Incidentally, secularism isn't about gods, which probably do not exist. It's about religion and your pernicious church, which definitely do.
Thats right. Theists care about beliefs comforting them. The comfort factor is a big inflence on their thinking. Religion acts as a comfort blanket for adults.
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Who do sunni suicide bombers pray to before they murder shiites?
Who do shiite suicide bombers pray to before they murder sunnis?
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Of course they both pray to Allah. For purely selfish reasons. They want personal reward in heaven with 72 virgins, and the glory of martyrdom.

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How's that going for him? If someone said something similar in the UK following a tragedy you'd write them off as a mental and/or a fundamentalist muslim.
Huckabee was probably unscathed by any reaction to the comment.

Apparently it is nearly impossible to damage your political career with religion in America, where people like Huckabee, Palin and Santorum have successful careers from the lunatic fringes of their faiths.
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Apparently it is nearly impossible to damage your political career with religion in America, where people like Huckabee, Palin and Santorum have successful careers from the lunatic fringes of their faiths.
But thankfully not successful enough to become President.

Survey after survey shows decline in religious belief in the US, so I think there are signs for hope in the future.
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Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.

Theists try to describe the indescribable.

Atheists try to deny it.
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I should add to the above:

religions try to control it.
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William Tyndale wrote:
Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.
Theists try to describe the indescribable.
Atheists try to deny it.
I think Atheists too have awe and wonder at nature. They just dont ascribe supernatural entities to it.

Theists do try to describe mysteries, but using stories which are mythical and nonsensical. The so called holy books are absurd creations.
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That said, I don't see how the Republicans are going to get voted in again until they adopt a more centrist position- but any change will dismay their core vote.
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Huckabee was probably unscathed by any reaction to the comment.
Apparently it is nearly impossible to damage your political career with religion in America, where people like Huckabee, Palin and Santorum have successful careers from the lunatic fringes of their faiths.
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Actually I think it sounds best like this:

Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.

Atheists try to deny it.

Theists try to define it.

Religions try to control it.

I should have composed it better the first time :)
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I think Atheists too have awe and wonder at nature. They just dont ascribe supernatural entities to it.
Theists do try to describe mysteries, but using stories which are mythical and nonsensical. The so called holy books are absurd creations.
Appreciating nature is a good thing. But I was referring to the underlining mystery, the glue that holds the complexity of what is together.

Try to picture nothingness. No space, no time, no consciousness. Nothing.

Now try to explain it's opposite and how it came to be.

Cant?

This is the mystery.

We are the product of whatever this mystery is.

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Atheists are people who do not believe in deities after that it varies person to person.

You Christholes need to stop telling us what we think or believe and start asking us. Gasp! What a concept!
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Actually I think it sounds best like this:
Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.
Atheists try to deny it.
Theists try to define it.
Religions try to control it.
I should have composed it better the first time :)

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William Tyndale wrote:
Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.
Theists try to describe the indescribable.
Atheists try to deny it.
No,*scientists* try to understand the universe.

Theists say 'we have all the answers, now stop thinking about it'.

Atheists simply don't have a belief in a deity.
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Adam wrote:
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But thankfully not successful enough to become President.
Survey after survey shows decline in religious belief in the US, so I think there are signs for hope in the future.
"Survey after survey shows decline in religious belief .." not really...may be valid on topix threads.
Produce the polls?

No atheist has ever been elected President.
President Obama's inauguration filled with prayers which may have placed the Republicans on notice.
After all the desperate republican "he is Muslim and from Kenya" stuff is discounted, Prayer played a major part yesterday.
.... free exercise of religion!
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So no great scientists can be Atheists?

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William Tyndale wrote:
Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.
Atheists try to deny it.

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