Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10883 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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Prejudiced emotive faulty appeal...
Kindly cite a source for this logical fallacy I suspect you just made up.

A faulty emotional appeal is usually employing an emotion of pity or fear. How do you think his statement qualifies for either?

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Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#10884 Jan 21, 2013
McNeil wrote:
Why shouldn't there be a God is my question? What's there to look forward to after you die? Why would you fight so hard to to prove that a person does not exist, when that same person is willing to offer you salvation? Doest make sense..
It would depend upon whether that 'salvation' is real or imagined.
Since there is absolutely zero proof that it is real and this proof has remained at zero from the beginning of time....well, the default position is that it is imaginary.

I don't want imaginary 'salvation.'

Why look forward to anything after you die? Why don't you make the most of your life?

Since: Mar 11

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#10885 Jan 21, 2013
Can you show where The bible says incest is forbidden? No this happens often in the bible.

How about slavery being forbidden? No in fact Pail demanded a run away slave return to his Christian slave master.

How about sex with children? No in fact children are often raped as spoils of war and slaves in the bible.

How about discriminating against women? No and lol at even trying!

Yet secular morality today an for some time now has forbidden these heinous acts. Your retarded god's morality in that pitiful myth falls short.
mtimber wrote:
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Prejudiced emotive faulty appeal...

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#10886 Jan 21, 2013
Or Muslims attacking other Muslims for believing slightly differently? Isn't it all the same how you animals behave?
MUQ wrote:
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May be the Church of England was also doing the same? Or was it War between catholics and Protestants?

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#10887 Jan 21, 2013
For this to be logical first you must demonstrate there is a god. Second that it is a logical moral god. Third this desperation.

Since you can't possibly get past the first item you are the illogical poster.
mtimber wrote:
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I have been presenting logical arguments like the argument:
That the atheist in their desperation to deny God, ends up having to deny all the transcendent laws that govern the universe, in particular those relating to morality and logic.
So much so that they are reduced to logical absurdity, clearly showing their worldview has some major issues that precludes them even engaging in logical discussions...
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10888 Jan 21, 2013
Who do sunni suicide bombers pray to before they murder shiites?
Who do shiite suicide bombers pray to before they murder sunnis?
MUQ wrote:
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May be the Church of England was also doing the same? Or was it War between catholics and Protestants?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10889 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
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I have been presenting logical arguments like the argument:

That the atheist in their desperation to deny God, ends up having to deny all the transcendent laws that govern the universe, in particular those relating to morality and logic. So much so that they are reduced to logical absurdity, clearly showing their worldview has some major issues that precludes them even engaging in logical discussions...
Sorry, but I don't see a logical argument there. I don't see any kind of argument. These are merely unsupported claims. You haven't established that atheists are desperate, that we deny any law, that our position is logically absurd, or that our worldviews preclude engaging in logical discussion. You have merely claimed these things. You haven't even defined them.

In fact, this reply defeats your claim. This is a well reasoned rebuttal.

Were you aware that atheism is not a worldview?

Were you aware that a perfect god that makes mistakes is logically impossible? Such a thing would violate the law of noncontradiction.

What is "God"? Is that Jehovah-Jesus to you? That god is impossible for many reasons, including the one just given. Of course I deny it. It would be unreasonable to do otherwise.

Reason is on the side of the rational skeptics, not faith based thinkers. Faith itself, which is a repudiation of reason, is a logical error.

“Humanity's first sin was faith; the first virtue was doubt.”- Mike Huben

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10890 Jan 21, 2013
mtimber wrote:
You think that rape is wrong. That is because you are appealing to a greater absolute moral standard than you can account for in your atheism.
I suggest that you ask me why I believe what I believe rather than tell me.

I can easily account for the dictum that rape is immoral without appeal to anything outside of the heads of men. Polymath already has recently in this thread.

You've been listening to William Lane Craig, haven't you? He's not a very good philosopher. Like Dembski, his thought is faith based and he's agenda driven.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10891 Jan 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
That's why priests f**k kids. The bible's cool with paedophilia so long as its heterosexual paedophilia.
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As you likely know, former Arkansas governor and rabid fundamentalist Mike Huckabee says that the children at Newtown died because his god was expelled from their school.

But that is ridiculous, even if that god existed. If it won't protect children in churches - if it stands aside and lets them be raped right under giant crucifixes and stained glass windows erected in its honor - it sure isn't going to protect children in schools.

"Mike Huckabee blames getting God out of classroom for shootings"
http://www.abpnews.com/culture/social-issues/...

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10892 Jan 22, 2013
McNeil wrote:
Why shouldn't there be a God is my question? What's there to look forward to after you die? Why would you fight so hard to to prove that a person does not exist, when that same person is willing to offer you salvation? Doest make sense..
Then you don't really care about your beliefs being correct, just about them comforting you.

Incidentally, secularism isn't about gods, which probably do not exist. It's about religion and your pernicious church, which definitely do.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10893 Jan 22, 2013
How's that going for him?

If someone said something similar in the UK following a tragedy you'd write them off as a mental and/or a fundamentalist muslim.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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As you likely know, former Arkansas governor and rabid fundamentalist Mike Huckabee says that the children at Newtown died because his god was expelled from their school.
But that is ridiculous, even if that god existed. If it won't protect children in churches - if it stands aside and lets them be raped right under giant crucifixes and stained glass windows erected in its honor - it sure isn't going to protect children in schools.
"Mike Huckabee blames getting God out of classroom for shootings"
http://www.abpnews.com/culture/social-issues/...
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10894 Jan 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Then you don't really care about your beliefs being correct, just about them comforting you.
Incidentally, secularism isn't about gods, which probably do not exist. It's about religion and your pernicious church, which definitely do.
Thats right. Theists care about beliefs comforting them. The comfort factor is a big inflence on their thinking. Religion acts as a comfort blanket for adults.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10895 Jan 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
Who do sunni suicide bombers pray to before they murder shiites?
Who do shiite suicide bombers pray to before they murder sunnis?
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Of course they both pray to Allah. For purely selfish reasons. They want personal reward in heaven with 72 virgins, and the glory of martyrdom.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#10896 Jan 22, 2013
Thinking wrote:
How's that going for him? If someone said something similar in the UK following a tragedy you'd write them off as a mental and/or a fundamentalist muslim.
Huckabee was probably unscathed by any reaction to the comment.

Apparently it is nearly impossible to damage your political career with religion in America, where people like Huckabee, Palin and Santorum have successful careers from the lunatic fringes of their faiths.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10897 Jan 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Apparently it is nearly impossible to damage your political career with religion in America, where people like Huckabee, Palin and Santorum have successful careers from the lunatic fringes of their faiths.
But thankfully not successful enough to become President.

Survey after survey shows decline in religious belief in the US, so I think there are signs for hope in the future.
William Tyndale

Clearlake, CA

#10898 Jan 22, 2013
Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.

Theists try to describe the indescribable.

Atheists try to deny it.
William Tyndale

Clearlake, CA

#10899 Jan 22, 2013
I should add to the above:

religions try to control it.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#10900 Jan 22, 2013
William Tyndale wrote:
Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.
Theists try to describe the indescribable.
Atheists try to deny it.
I think Atheists too have awe and wonder at nature. They just dont ascribe supernatural entities to it.

Theists do try to describe mysteries, but using stories which are mythical and nonsensical. The so called holy books are absurd creations.
Thinking

Leighton Buzzard, UK

#10901 Jan 22, 2013
That said, I don't see how the Republicans are going to get voted in again until they adopt a more centrist position- but any change will dismay their core vote.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Huckabee was probably unscathed by any reaction to the comment.
Apparently it is nearly impossible to damage your political career with religion in America, where people like Huckabee, Palin and Santorum have successful careers from the lunatic fringes of their faiths.
William Tyndale

Clearlake, CA

#10902 Jan 22, 2013
Actually I think it sounds best like this:

Great scientists, great philosophers, great mystics, all have in common a deep respect, a deep sense of awe for the mystery of what is.

Atheists try to deny it.

Theists try to define it.

Religions try to control it.

I should have composed it better the first time :)

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