Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Psychology Today.

Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9518 Dec 3, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Your book of desert scribbling uses characters and events from the Torah and NT but the Quran changes what those characters do and say.<quoted text>
Yo GML, You seem to know a bit about Islam. Can you help me out on this point.

I read yesterday, that the Quran may have been written in Syria and not Arabia. And that there is not much evidence that Muhammed had anything to do with it.

Do you know what supports this theory?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9519 Dec 3, 2012
MUQ wrote:
You will also find prophesies about Last and Final prophet in each of the past revealed scriptures!!
Where? No clear prophecies exist in the Bible. These "prophets" just like your "prophet" are nothing of the sort.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9520 Dec 3, 2012
Well firstly we would have to show the so called prophet Muhammad even existed and proof of such is scant. I have read that before. Hitchens gave a great presentation on the real origins of the Quran and needless to say it was less than divine. Lol!

I will go hunting and see what I can jihad up for you :)
Adam wrote:
<quoted text>
Yo GML, You seem to know a bit about Islam. Can you help me out on this point.
I read yesterday, that the Quran may have been written in Syria and not Arabia. And that there is not much evidence that Muhammed had anything to do with it.
Do you know what supports this theory?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9521 Dec 3, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-56

Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.

Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.

Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.

Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.

A. The Case of : KA,AB BIN ASHRAF, THE JEW

Enemies of Islam have made this into a big scandal and accuse prophet of most cruelty in ordering secret killing of KA,AB BIN ASHRAF , the Jew living in Madina.

KA,AB BIN ASHRAF belonged to one of the Jewish tribe of Madina. He was a rich man and he was also a poet. When prophet reached Madina, he made a written pact with Jews of Madina of mutual respect and mutual defense against aggression from outside enemies.

Prophet was of the hope that these Jews being people with Torah and with concept of Monotheism and prophet hood and revelation, would recognize his credentials and would join Muslim nation of Madina. But things took a different course, these Jews were having a sort of superiority complex against Arabs and were of the opinion that Prophethood and revelation were the exclusive rights of Jews and no one outside 12 Jewish tribes would be made a prophet.

So they rejected the message of prophet and tried every thing in their power to bring the downfall of prophet and his followers. In Madina they had a “natural” ally in the form of Hypocrites and outside Madina, in the form of Pagan Arabs.

Arabs in general regarded Jews and their scholars as a learned lot and asked many questions from them regarding this “new prophet”. On these occasions instead of speaking the truth, Jews used to console those Pagan Arabs, saying that they were on a better path than the one towards which prophet was calling them.

In these tense circumstances and mutual hatred, the famous Battle of Badr took place. Hypocrites of Madina and Jews were more than confident, that Muslim army would be routed by the Makkah people and that will make the end of prophet and his mission.

But, due to grace of Allah, Muslims won a spectacular victory at Badr, which established them as a firm and emerging force in Arabia. Hypocrites and Jews of Madina felt extreme sadness at the victory of Muslims and their hatred increased many fold, and they were almost etching to pick up a fight with Prophet and Muslims.

They did not had to wait for long. The tribe of BANU QAINUQAH, were the first to break the treaty with prophet, and had to vacate Madina. This further added to the hatred of remaining two tribes that were living in Madina.

KA,AB BIN ASHRAF who in addition to being rich was also a very good poet. He went to Makkah for a visit, met the leaders of QURAISH there, consoled each and every of the clan of those who were killed at the battle of Badr and wrote their eulogies in the form of MARTHIAH.

(Contd.)
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9522 Dec 3, 2012
When he came back, from Makkah, he started using his poetry against Islam and started lampooning prophet and his message. What more he started making fun of Muslim ladies in his poems. This was an act which indicated a very low and mean mentality. Prophet and Muslims kept quite for some time, hoping he would desist, but he took their silence as a mark of cowardice and fear from jews.

Prophet felt that if he openly killed KA,AB BIN ASHRAF it might result in open warfare with Jews, which was not in the best interest of either them or Muslims, as it would cause a lot of blood shed in Madina.

He therefore wanted KA,AB BIN ASHRAF to be executed silently. One day he asked that which of the Muslims would take care of KA,AB BIN ASHRAF as he has caused much suffering to Allah and His Messenger. Mohammad bin MASALLAMA, one young man of ANSARS, volunteered for the job.

He and some of his friends visited KA,AB BIN ASHRAF in the night, on the pretext of taking some loan from him and then pounced on him and killed him.

Jews were terrified when they learned about the killing of KA,AB BIN ASHRAF and refrained from actions of open hostilities against prophet and Muslims.

So by killing one person, prophet was able to save life of many Jews and Muslims in Madina.

That shows that “how careful and selective was prophet, even in his use of Sword of Steel”!!


Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#9523 Dec 3, 2012
I see Muq is still posting his off topic spam while refusing to answer questions. I guess pretty soon we will have no choice but to report him getting his screen name and IP address blocked.

Feel free to post this in the appropriate Muslim forum Muq but here this is off topic spam.
MUQ wrote:
When he came back, from Makkah, he started using his poetry against Islam and started lampooning prophet and his message. What more he started making fun of Muslim ladies in his poems. This was an act which indicated a very low and mean mentality. Prophet and Muslims kept quite for some time, hoping he would desist, but he took their silence as a mark of cowardice and fear from jews.
Prophet felt that if he openly killed KA,AB BIN ASHRAF it might result in open warfare with Jews, which was not in the best interest of either them or Muslims, as it would cause a lot of blood shed
He and some of his friends visited KA,AB BIN ASHRAF in the night, on the pretext of taking some loan from him and then pounced on him and killed him.
Jews were terrified when they learned about the killing of KA,AB BIN ASHRAF and refrained from actions of open hostilities against prophet and Muslims.
So by killing one person, prophet was able to save life of many Jews and Muslims in Madina.
That shows that “how careful and selective was prophet, even in his use of Sword of Steel”!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9524 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-56
Our prophet was not only a preacher. He was also an able administrator and a just ruler.
Those who have experience of administration know when to act tough and when to act with leniency. A King, Ruler and President knows which criminal to pardon and which to get executed. Those who do not have this experience may only speak in idealistic terms. Such idealistic persons are never able to administer any country or state with efficiency.
Beside so many “Swords” which we have mentioned earlier on this thread. He also had a sword of steel. When no other sword worked and the only solution was to wield the sword of steel, he used that also.
Any one who has read his biography knows that how reluctantly he had to use it. We present below, some of these cases, where prophet had to use the sword of steel.
A. The Case of : KA,AB BIN ASHRAF, THE JEW
Enemies of Islam have made this into a big scandal and accuse prophet of most cruelty in ordering secret killing of KA,AB BIN ASHRAF , the Jew living in Madina.
KA,AB BIN ASHRAF belonged to one of the Jewish tribe of Madina. He was a rich man and he was also a poet. When prophet reached Madina, he made a written pact with Jews of Madina of mutual respect and mutual defense against aggression from outside enemies.
Prophet was of the hope that these Jews being people with Torah and with concept of Monotheism and prophet hood and revelation, would recognize his credentials and would join Muslim nation of Madina. But things took a different course, these Jews were having a sort of superiority complex against Arabs and were of the opinion that Prophethood and revelation were the exclusive rights of Jews and no one outside 12 Jewish tribes would be made a prophet.
So they rejected the message of prophet and tried every thing in their power to bring the downfall of prophet and his followers. In Madina they had a “natural” ally in the form of Hypocrites and outside Madina, in the form of Pagan Arabs.
Arabs in general regarded Jews and their scholars as a learned lot and asked many questions from them regarding this “new prophet”. On these occasions instead of speaking the truth, Jews used to console those Pagan Arabs, saying that they were on a better path than the one towards which prophet was calling them.
In these tense circumstances and mutual hatred, the famous Battle of Badr took place. Hypocrites of Madina and Jews were more than confident, that Muslim army would be routed by the Makkah people and that will make the end of prophet and his mission.
But, due to grace of Allah, Muslims won a spectacular victory at Badr, which established them as a firm and emerging force in Arabia. Hypocrites and Jews of Madina felt extreme sadness at the victory of Muslims and their hatred increased many fold, and they were almost etching to pick up a fight with Prophet and Muslims.
They did not had to wait for long. The tribe of BANU QAINUQAH, were the first to break the treaty with prophet, and had to vacate Madina. This further added to the hatred of remaining two tribes that were living in Madina.
KA,AB BIN ASHRAF who in addition to being rich was also a very good poet. He went to Makkah for a visit, met the leaders of QURAISH there, consoled each and every of the clan of those who were killed at the battle of Badr and wrote their eulogies in the form of MARTHIAH.
(Contd.)
Your prophet, was no prophet. Your prophet was a thug, he brought a sword. That is a thug!

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#9527 Dec 4, 2012
I believe the term profit Muhammad is a more apt title for the animal. Before his meeting with Allah in a cave, by himself, witnessed by nobody else, he was a rich and powerful merchant who was always trying to expand his borders and territory. Many would not sell to him or sell for the price he wanted to pay and what do you know? Those same people were the enemies of Allah and had to be killed! Wowsers!

In fact as Muq himself has shown time an time again most of what Muhammad did was travel, conquer, loot and seize territory by battles fought and won.

Yes he was like Walmart with an army. The Profit Muhammad is apt indeed.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>Your prophet, was no prophet. Your prophet was a thug, he brought a sword. That is a thug!
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9528 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
It is strange that you cannot find any "prophesy" about our prophet in Bible, while on the other hand there are "thousands of prophesies" in the same Bible regarding Jesus.
I dont believe they are prophecies either. There are no clear prophecies about Jesus or Muhammed in the OT.

The gospel of Matthew has lots of alledged prophecies. The author of this book was a trickster who lifted quotes out of context from the OT and applied them to Jesus. The whole thing is ridiculous.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9529 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
- And Joshua also made use of sword and killed many of his enemies and used the plunder of war.
You have a point of sorts here, the prophets of the OT were just like your "prophet" i.e. serial killers and war criminals. You should be ashamed of yourself to believe in such nonsense.

Since: Mar 11

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#9530 Dec 4, 2012
Idiot this is an atheist forum, we don't give a fck about the Jesus/Moses myth anymore than we care about the Muhammad myth. Again show the bible scripture that tells about Muhammad a barbaric warlord who taught the polar opposite of the bible.

You can't it's insane to even try.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
- By the way Jesus also asked his disciples to acquire a Sword, he even said that one should sell his cloak and buy a sword (however he did not get any chance to use that sword, that is another matter).
- And Moses armed himself with Sword and took part in battles and killed his enemies and used the plunder of war.
- And Joshua also made use of sword and killed many of his enemies and used the plunder of war.
- And David also made use of sword and took part in many battles and used plunder of war.
- And Solomon also made use of sword and took part in many battles and used plunder of war.
- And before them, Patriarch Abraham also made use of sword and took part in battle to get his nephew Lot free from his captors.
- And there were many prophets and righteous saints and persons who used sword to keep the flag of righteousness flying and subdue the enemies of truth.
So just because our prophet used sword, does not mean any thing. If he used, it so many prophets before him used it.
And coming to our present time, on what basis USA is boasting to be the "Lone Super Power" of the World? Is it anything else but Sword?
I just do not know why you pick that name, when most of your posts are exactly against reason and logic?
They are based on blind hate and bias.
You should change your name to Hate and Hatred and Bias Personafide!!

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#9531 Dec 4, 2012
A Muslim opinion piece proves nothing except this animal's opinion. Again Islam approves having anal sex with children as everyday practice.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
It is strange that you cannot find any "prophesy" about our prophet in Bible, while on the other hand there are "thousands of prophesies" in the same Bible regarding Jesus.
Quran says (speaking about the Jews and Christians of our prophet's time)'They recognize you, as they recognize their own sons, but a group amongst them hides the truth and they (very well) know it"
These so called "expert on Biblical prophesies" find every event (minor or major) going around in the world, being prophesized in their Bible, but the event that changed the world's condition for ever and had a very deep and permanent effect on the lives of Jews and Christians finds "absolutely no mention" in their Bible.
Can you believe it?
If some one looks at the Bible without bias and without pre-conceived ideas….he will find that Last and Final prophet is mentioned there as clearly as "day light".
I have written a monograph on this very subject, you can check the link
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51091963/
Thinking

Ashford, UK

#9532 Dec 4, 2012
Not interested in what you're selling.

mohammed was just another murderous paedophile.
MUQ wrote:
When he came back, from Makkah, he started using his poetry against Islam and started lampooning prophet and his message. What more he started making fun of Muslim ladies in his poems. This was an act which indicated a very low and mean mentality. Prophet and Muslims kept quite for some time, hoping he would desist, but he took their silence as a mark of cowardice and fear from jews.
Prophet felt that if he openly killed KA,AB BIN ASHRAF it might result in open warfare with Jews, which was not in the best interest of either them or Muslims, as it would cause a lot of blood shed in Madina.
He therefore wanted KA,AB BIN ASHRAF to be executed silently. One day he asked that which of the Muslims would take care of KA,AB BIN ASHRAF as he has caused much suffering to Allah and His Messenger. Mohammad bin MASALLAMA, one young man of ANSARS, volunteered for the job.
He and some of his friends visited KA,AB BIN ASHRAF in the night, on the pretext of taking some loan from him and then pounced on him and killed him.
Jews were terrified when they learned about the killing of KA,AB BIN ASHRAF and refrained from actions of open hostilities against prophet and Muslims.
So by killing one person, prophet was able to save life of many Jews and Muslims in Madina.
That shows that “how careful and selective was prophet, even in his use of Sword of Steel”!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9533 Dec 4, 2012
The Profit Muhammad was a wealthy child molestor. From a respected source.

http://www.pbs.org/empires/islam/profilesmuha...

Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, was born in Mecca around the year 570. Orphaned before he had reached the age of six, he was raised under the protection of his uncle Abu Talib. Muhammad began working as a merchant and became known for his trustworthiness.

When he was about twenty-five, he married Khadija, a wealthy widow whose status elevated Muhammad's position in Meccan society.
Thinking wrote:
Not interested in what you're selling.
mohammed was just another murderous paedophile.
<quoted text>

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9534 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
- By the way Jesus also asked his disciples to acquire a Sword, he even said that one should sell his cloak and buy a sword (however he did not get any chance to use that sword, that is another matter).
- And Moses armed himself with Sword and took part in battles and killed his enemies and used the plunder of war.
- And Joshua also made use of sword and killed many of his enemies and used the plunder of war.
- And David also made use of sword and took part in many battles and used plunder of war.
- And Solomon also made use of sword and took part in many battles and used plunder of war.
- And before them, Patriarch Abraham also made use of sword and took part in battle to get his nephew Lot free from his captors.
- And there were many prophets and righteous saints and persons who used sword to keep the flag of righteousness flying and subdue the enemies of truth.
So just because our prophet used sword, does not mean any thing. If he used, it so many prophets before him used it.
And coming to our present time, on what basis USA is boasting to be the "Lone Super Power" of the World? Is it anything else but Sword?
I just do not know why you pick that name, when most of your posts are exactly against reason and logic?
They are based on blind hate and bias.
You should change your name to Hate and Hatred and Bias Personafide!!
Yeah, ya figured it out. They, the perpertrators of the monstrous Abrahamic religions were thugs. They were thugs with an agenda.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9535 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
01. I am very happy to learn that you appreciate direct answers to direct questions. And I am sorry to hear that you consider that my replies are not direct. May be you will change your opinion after this post.
My exact sentiments
02. I did say that Islam is the name of "Original religion" which was sent to all prophets and it is the "Only" (not Best) religion acceptable to God on the Last Day (It is a Quranic statement and not mine- MUQ).
You are right. There is not a “better” religion. There is only one true religion.
You will agree that your answer provides no proof that it is the “only religion of the One True God”. You cannot use the book as proof of itself.(Circular reasoning) Because you believe the Quran, it may make sense to you, but as proof, it is not suitable.
03. Islam Before Prophet Mohammad:
The problem is people do not understand the term Islam, they seem to think that all prophets spoke Arabic language and all lived in Arabia and talked to each other in Arabic language.
No Sir, this is not what Islam means. Islam is a Qualitative Term, it means "Submission". When one surrenders oneself to One's Creator, then he or she is supposed to be in the "state of Islam".
You cannot claim something and that makes it true. Please supply some verifiable evidence that Islam existed from the beginning.
Some people submit to Satan. Would they then also qualify as being in the “State of Islam”?
“Creator” itself in any case means nothing as both Christians and Islam worship the “Creator”, but is not the same person. The one is of Satan, the other is the only true God. So even there your argument falls slightly apart.
(contd)
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9536 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
A. Revealed Religions:
All revealed religions are based on revelation which Prophets of God received from Creator of Universe, and they and their followers "submitted" themselves to that message.
In that sense All prophets and their true followers were Muslims.
B. Fundamental teachings of Islam:
And the Fundamental teachings of all these revealed religions were
- "Worship Only One True God and shun worship of idols and false gods
- Follow teachings of your prophet.
- Perform Good deeds so you be successful in the hereafter.
And the important acts of worship were Regular Prayers / Fasting / Charity and Pilgrimage to an appointed place.
C. Universal Message for All Times:
The prophets could have come to any country, they would have come in any age, they would have spoken any language, but the three articles of faiths and these fundamental acts of worship were always present in one form or another.
How does claiming something to be part of all revealed religions make Islam the “true” religion?
You mention a critical issue here – good works that will “ make you successful in the hereafter.” Now I am not quite sure what you mean to be “successful in the hereafter”, but I assume it would be to go to heaven instead of hell.
A few things come to mind. The law was given to Moses. A Law that nobody can uphold. Not you, not me. So this means we all stand guilty before God. And according to the Bible – that is the purpose of the law-
(Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.)
There are no indications that good works were ever a reason for withholding punishment (hell). To the contrary, righteousness (being right with God) is based on faith (Gen 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.)
Then there is the obvious example of sacrifices – where the death and blood of animals was a token of sins being removed (for instance Day of Atonement). I am sure you would agree with Paul:
(Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.)
This is in agreement with the OT (Mic 6:6 Wherewith shall I come before the LORD, and bow myself before the high God? shall I come before him with burnt offerings, with calves of a year old?
Mic 6:7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul?
Mic 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?)

Sacrifices were just “pointing” to Christ’s death on the cross, as “payment” for our sin – meeting the demands of being both just (punishment) and merciful.

What this all means is that we don’t have to be “good enough”- we can never be. The price that you and I have to pay for sin, has been paid – not because we deserve it but because of God's mercy. Thank the Lord for that!

Your position of having to do good works is 100% correct. As James puts it (Jas_2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.)

Having been born again will show in good works. If there are no good works, there is (has been) no regeneration. The opposite is however not true, good works does not prove regeneration.(Contd)
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9537 Dec 4, 2012
Hi Folks, Just a reminder of the barbarity of these Abrahamic religions.

They are named after the "prophet" Abraham. Apparently God tempted Abraham to commit a human sacrifice on his son. The bible says it was Issac, and the quran Ishmael. No thought is spared to the psychological damages caused to this child.

What this appauling story tells you. Is that you should do whatever voices in your head are telling you to do.

It is extraordinaryly dangerous. And unbelievable how anyone can believe such a story is moral.

It is absurd and barbaric, just like the religions it spawned.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9538 Dec 4, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
04. What about Judaism, Christianity , Hinduism, Buddhism etc.
As compared to this "Quality based definition", people have "concocted of their own will" different names for their religion which are based on Race, Personality, nation, ethnicity etc.
For Example:
- Judaism is derived from Tribe of Judah which lived in Judea
- Christianity is named after Jesus Christ, a prophet of God.
- Buddhism is named after Buddha, a person.
- Hinduism is based on a Country India which is Hind. And so on.
But none of their prophets gave them these names of were acquainted with it.
Can any one say that name of religion of Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and Moses was Judaism?
Was Jesus a Christian? Was name of his religion Christianity?
Was Buddha a Buddhist? Was name of his religion Buddhism?
No one can say or prove any of these. How come the followers have named their religion which their prophet did not know?
This is irrelevant to the question posed – which was:“04. If you claim otherwise,(thus Islam before Judaism) some historic documentation confirming this and predating Mohammad would be welcomed. They must have kept some record?”
G. Where is my proof:?

My proof is in all previous scriptures!! Look at them carefully, you will see the three fundamental articles of faith and fundamental articles of Worship.

You will also find prophesies about Last and Final prophet in each of the past revealed scriptures!!
It will be great, if only in consideration of my ignorance, to kindly indicate which scriptures you refer to and what they in fact say?
PS:
I hope you will consider these answers Direct?
Yes MUQ my friend, I suppose this is as direct as they will get. Not to worry, it is not a train smash.
Brit Expat

Lunel, France

#9539 Dec 4, 2012
Not if the state of Vaginia!!! has anything to do about it! Those legistrative MORONS have already stated!!! Atheists are terrorists!

Vaginia. OK!!! We already know no BRAINS, no sense, don't worry about it. But thats just "Virginia", or is it morons galore??

I love it. The USA in action. Brain dead for the majority is the norm.

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