Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Jun 07

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#9494 Dec 1, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
1. You say my English is good, while I have umpteen reports that I cannot even right "poor English"!! That is difference in perspectives. You being an honest man, are not shy to speak the truth.
They want to bring me down on any pretext, so they start negative comments right from the start.
2. It is your words against them. All religions claim that they were revealed from God. Why so many millions of people got a united voice, while yours voices are at best individualistic.
The time period from "First religion" to the "Last Prophet" is a span of nearly 3500 years. Why all the religions claim that they are from God?
In fact there are not so many religions as you seem to think. The World's major religions can be counted on fingers.
03. Let us see what you have to post of "The God Delusion"?
Do you have any proof that you're not a religious liar, shamelessly lying about a god you have no proof of?
Henry

Aue, Germany

#9495 Dec 1, 2012
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>I agree to some extent. There are many "Christians" that attack, lie, judge, slander, insult and ridicule those that have different opinions. Both you and I can cite many instances. This is however not in agreement with Biblical principles. But there are also those that try to live lives according to the Word of God,and those would heed Jesus' commands (albeit that they may also stumble from time to time).
This does not mean that to try and live a godly life, you are required not to oppose views/actions that is contrary to your beliefs -but hopefully this can be done in a decent manner. If you took the life of Jesus, he was often accused of mixing with sinners. Now did Jesus condone their sin? Not at all, but through parables explained the truths of the Gospel. He started his ministry by asking people to "repent", indicating that sinners should leave their sinful practices, turn to God and live holy lives. I am sure that it is the prayer of any real Christian that words spoken will be as full of grace as those of Jesus was - correcting without insult or injury.
Of course God led the Israelites into many battles and even "went before them". The picture presented of Jesus as "gentle and mild" - is to appeal to an emotional response to Jesus.
That is not a true picture. Although Jesus laid down his life for those that will trust him, because of his love for mankind, He is also the one that will come to judge the world and condemn those that did not accept his offer of salvation.(Rev 6:17 because the great day of His wrath has come; and who is able to stand?). He also acted in judgement of nations that oppose him. God hates sin and will condemn those that are disobedient.
For the present, Jesus said :Joh 12:47 And if anyone hears My Words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come that I might judge the world, but that I might save the world.
Jesus' invite is still as relevant today as it was 2000 years ago:
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Oh, forget the truth of the bible! What a Jesus personality cult!
Henry

Aue, Germany

#9496 Dec 1, 2012
Hedonist wrote:
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Inductive reasoning can never 100% rule out the possibility that there are fairies at the bottom of your garden keeping it growing. But there does come a point where belief in such can still be considered absurd.
One of the problems is that atheism is a label used primarily by theists to create an out-group vs. in-group mentality, especially among their followers.
Religious people make the claim that this or that deity exist. I simple doubt such claims made without evidence.
I don't think of myself as an a-theist any more than I think of myself as an a-fairiest or an a-astrologist or any other such "what I am not" category.
No god at all!
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9497 Dec 1, 2012
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>Do you imply that all religions are equal or that yours are "better"?
There was only ONE religion sent by the Creator for human kind. The present religions are the distorted images of the same old religion.

Islam is the only exception, since it is preserved in the same shame and form in which it was revealed.

Now you can draw your own inference, what it means.
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9498 Dec 1, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-54

The Case of : ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ BIN SALOOL OF KHAZRAJ

There were cases in which “All Swords” the prophet used to have at his disposal failed and one can say that he failed to “enslave” some people. There were some who faced Muslim army in the battle field and were slain, and there were a few cases which were executed on the order of prophet (which we shall take up in the next episode).

But the case of people like ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ falls under the category of Hypocrites or those “in whose heart there is a disease”(As Quran mentions in its magical way). Despite Quranic warning and injunctions to prophet and to Muslims to deal firmly with them and even kill them , The Prophet dealt with much leniently with them and during his life time and life time of his companions, we do not find a single case, where some one was executed on the charge of being a hypocrite.

Early History:

ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ belonged to KHAZRAJ tribe of Madina. He was an acknowledged leader of the clan. Before the prophet migrated to Madina, it was decided that he would be crowned “King Of Madina”. All preparations were made and the crown was also made, but before the ceremony could be held. Islam came to Madina and shortly after wards, prophet migrated to Madina.

When prophet reached Madina, he was universally agreed as the Sole Authority for Muslims in all matters, religious or secular. Most people of tribes living in Madina became Muslim. ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ perceived that his position was usurped by the prophet.

But since he was in minority, he could not openly oppose the prophet, he and some of his followers became what is called as “a group of Hypocrites” in Madina.

Activities of Hypocrites:

These people declared Islam because of fear of Majority of Muslims living in Madina, but they were not Muslims by heart.

Their sympathies and all their good will was with any one who was enemy of Islam and prophet. Be it Pagans of Makkah, pagan tribes of desert or Jews of Madina.

They wanted to exploit each and every situation to create discord and division between people of Median, or people who migrated from Makkah.

They used to circulate false rumor before, during and after wars so as to discourage the moral of Muslims, and in battles, they were with Non Believers, irrespective of their physical presence.

These hidden enemies were a bigger threat to stability and security of Small Islamic state of Madina than much larger enemies who were living outside Madina.

Quran mentions many of their activities, which I have to skip to save space on the thread.

ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ and his dealings with prophet:

Prophet used to deal kindly with ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ and his clan and tried every means at his disposal to reform them, but it were of no avail. ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ tried his best to be haughty to prophet and other Muslims and left no chance to insult them, some of more important cases are mentioned here:

1. During the Battle of UHUD:

ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ and 300 of his supporters initially joined Muslim army of 1000 people to face Makkan army of 3000. On the way, he and his group turned back to Madina complaining that Prophet had ignored their advice and accepted advise of some young people of Madina. Loss of 33 % at the eve of battle could have proved catastrophic.

2. During siege of BANU NADHEER:

ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ sent message to Jews of this tribe, asking them to remain firm and he will come to their aid. But he did not dare to come in the open. When they surrendered to prophet , he almost forced the prophet to be lenient with them and allow them to go away.

(Contd.)

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9499 Dec 1, 2012
3. During the Battle of BANI MUSTALIQ:

There arose some small disagreement between original residents of Madina and those who migrated from Makkah. Hypocrites used this opportunity to enflame this dispute into a full fledged war, Prophet reached and got the situation under control.

Later ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ said to his followers “I was saying to you, do not give shelter to these beggars from Makkah, now you have seen how strong they have become and are now bossing over you. When we shall reach Madina, we the Honorable people would turn out those wretched people from there”.

This news reached to prophet and he called ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ and enquired about it. He changed his stance and said that he never said such a thing. Allah confirmed his saying in a Verse of Quran.

Abdullah the son of this Hypocrite in Chief was a true Muslim, when people reached Madina, he stood at the gate with naked sword and said to his father “You said I am honorable and Prophet and Muslims are wretched people, By Allah, unless Prophet allows you, you will never be able to enter Madina”

The news reached the prophet and he told Abdullah to allow his father to enter the city.

4. ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ and false charge on Aiyesha the Wife of Prophet:

It was the same hypocrite who put a false charge of adultery against the most beloved wife of prophet. Due to these slanders, Prophet, his wife Aiyesha and her household had to undergo almost one month of mental torture.

In the end Allah revealed in Quran verses, exposing the falsehood of this charge. Muslims who had joined in the propaganda were punished with 80 lashes each, but prophet did not punish ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ saying that “punishment of hereafter shall suffice him”

5. ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ death and prophet’s Mercy:

Shortly afterward ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ died and his son came to prophet, so that he should lead the funeral prayer for him.

Prophet gave his shirt, so that it could be used as his burial cloth,….personally lead the funeral prayer….put into grave with his own hands and prayed for his forgiveness.

Omar caught the garment of prophet and said “How can you lead the funeral prayer and pray for him, when he said that and that and acted like this and this”

Prophet ignored the pleas of Omar and said that “Allah has given me choice to pray for them or not. If I was sure that by asking forgiveness for more than 70 times, Allah will accept it, I would do it”

After this incident Allah instructed prophet, never to lead funeral prayer of any Hypocrite or pray for them.

Such was ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ on which None of the Swords of Prophet were effective and he went “Scot free” or do you think so?!!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

Since: Mar 11

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#9500 Dec 1, 2012
Great work and indeed I looked this up and this is verified.

In Islam you can marry a small child but no vaginal penetration until he hits the ripe old age of 9 per order of the prophet. Anal and oral sex with young children is perfectly legit in the Islamic world.

Disgusting animals.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>He didn't wait, Muq knows there is no 3 year waiting period. The child was used immediately, she may have not been used vaginally, but she was used. Preteen is meaningless, if she has cleared her mother's womb she is fair game to the Muslim man.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9501 Dec 1, 2012
Henry wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, forget the truth of the bible! What a Jesus personality cult!
Please clarify if you will. From your little post it seems that you would think that anybody accepting Jesus as Lord and Saviour does not accept the Bible as truth?

Since: Mar 11

United States

#9502 Dec 2, 2012
I bet they became Muslims so they could have anal sex with children as is allowed by order of the prophet Muhammad.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not from Saudi Arabia, I am an Indian Muslim working in Saudi Arabia.
My forefathers might not be Muslim, but they saw the light and accepted Islam.
Now let some one prove to me that his or her religion is better than mine, I will choose to accept their faith.
But mere claims are not enough (any one can claim anything). let them come with proofs from their scriptures and prove to me that on their beliefs, their laws and their rules and regulations are better than Islam, I will be ready to join their faith.\
So far no one has come forward, they quit after the first session, when I ask some basic questions so as to come to a common platform to discuss these things!!

“Citizen_Patriot_ Voter_Atheist!”

Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9503 Dec 2, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Great work and indeed I looked this up and this is verified.
In Islam you can marry a small child but no vaginal penetration until he hits the ripe old age of 9 per order of the prophet. Anal and oral sex with young children is perfectly legit in the Islamic world.
Disgusting animals.
<quoted text>
I have posted it several times before, only to have it ignored. Seems even the Christards are willing to let it stand unanswered, after all somebody might point out that the god of those perves, is their own god of perves.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9504 Dec 2, 2012
Exactly. Same deity same myth.
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>I have posted it several times before, only to have it ignored. Seems even the Christards are willing to let it stand unanswered, after all somebody might point out that the god of those perves, is their own god of perves.

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#9505 Dec 2, 2012
MUQ wrote:
3. During the Battle of BANI MUSTALIQ:
There arose some small disagreement between original residents of Madina and those who migrated from Makkah. Hypocrites used this opportunity to enflame this dispute into a full fledged war, Prophet reached and got the situation under control.
Later ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ said to his followers “I was saying to you, do not give shelter to these beggars from Makkah, now you have seen how strong they have become and are now bossing over you. When we shall reach Madina, we the Honorable people would turn out those wretched people from there”.
This news reached to prophet and he called ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ and enquired about it. He changed his stance and said that he never said such a thing. Allah confirmed his saying in a Verse of Quran.
Abdullah the son of this Hypocrite in Chief was a true Muslim, when people reached Madina, he stood at the gate with naked sword and said to his father “You said I am honorable and Prophet and Muslims are wretched people, By Allah, unless Prophet allows you, you will never be able to enter Madina”
The news reached the prophet and he told Abdullah to allow his father to enter the city.
4. ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ and false charge on Aiyesha the Wife of Prophet:
It was the same hypocrite who put a false charge of adultery against the most beloved wife of prophet. Due to these slanders, Prophet, his wife Aiyesha and her household had to undergo almost one month of mental torture.
In the end Allah revealed in Quran verses, exposing the falsehood of this charge. Muslims who had joined in the propaganda were punished with 80 lashes each, but prophet did not punish ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ saying that “punishment of hereafter shall suffice him”
5. ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ death and prophet’s Mercy:
Shortly afterward ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ died and his son came to prophet, so that he should lead the funeral prayer for him.
Prophet gave his shirt, so that it could be used as his burial cloth,….personally lead the funeral prayer….put into grave with his own hands and prayed for his forgiveness.
Omar caught the garment of prophet and said “How can you lead the funeral prayer and pray for him, when he said that and that and acted like this and this”
Prophet ignored the pleas of Omar and said that “Allah has given me choice to pray for them or not. If I was sure that by asking forgiveness for more than 70 times, Allah will accept it, I would do it”
After this incident Allah instructed prophet, never to lead funeral prayer of any Hypocrite or pray for them.
Such was ABDULLAH BIN UBAI’ on which None of the Swords of Prophet were effective and he went “Scot free” or do you think so?!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Does anyone know how to turn this sh*t off?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9506 Dec 2, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There was only ONE religion sent by the Creator for human kind. The present religions are the distorted images of the same old religion.
Islam is the only exception, since it is preserved in the same shame and form in which it was revealed.
Now you can draw your own inference, what it means.
Not what the evidence suggests, but you don't care about evidence and reason, only mindless 'beliefs'.
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinduism#History
The earliest evidence for prehistoric religion in India date back to the late Neolithic in the early Harappan period (5500–2600 BCE). The beliefs and practices of the pre-classical era (1500–500 BCE) are called the "historical Vedic religion". The Vedic religion shows influence from Proto-Indo-European religion. The oldest Veda is the Rigveda, dated to 1700–1100 BCE. The Vedas center on worship of deities such as Indra, Varuna and Agni, and on the Soma ritual. Fire-sacrifices, called yajña are performed by chanting Vedic mantras chanted but no temples or idols are known
Unquote.

Certtainly all religions are man-made. As for Muq's father 'seeing the light', it sounds more like he found alcohol.
:-)

http://www.godchecker.com/

Religion = superstition. Enjoy...
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9507 Dec 2, 2012
I wonder if natural leaders like Malala can save Islamists from themselves and create a prosperous future for them....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingh...
Will she be an intellectual and a leader? Or was she just doing what Daddy said?

"Malala is recovering well, and she wants me to tell you she has been inspired, and humbled by the thousands of messages, cards and gifts. They have helped her survive and stay strong," [her Dad said].
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9508 Dec 2, 2012
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
There was only ONE religion sent by the Creator for human kind. The present religions are the distorted images of the same old religion.
Islam is the only exception, since it is preserved in the same shame and form in which it was revealed.
Now you can draw your own inference, what it means.
I normally prefer a direct answer to a direct question. However, seeing that you do not respond as such, I understand that you say that Islam is the original message from God to humankind and thus based on this, would qualify as “best”.
If that is your argument, then it is a false claim as it is obvious that Judaism precedes Islam. There is no record of “Islam” before Mohammad. If you claim otherwise, some historic documentation confirming this and predating Mohammad would be welcomed. They must have kept some record?
If claims of corruption is offered, some proof would really be welcomed.
Sorry Sir, history is not on your side.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9509 Dec 2, 2012
You have a point Muq and Derek both need to be reported again and again for their massive time wasting off topic unread spam and be blocked from posting. That I how we turn the sht off.
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Does anyone know how to turn this sh*t off?
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9510 Dec 2, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-55

There were cases in which “All Swords” the prophet used to have at his disposal failed and one can say that he failed to “enslave” some people. There were some who faced Muslim army in the battle field and were slain, and there were a few cases which were executed on the order of prophet (which we shall take up in the next episode).

The Case of : MARBA’ BIN QAIDHI, THE BLIND MAN OF MADINA

MARBA’ BIN QAIDHI was a blind man, who lived outside Madina in a garden that lay along the route of Mount of OHUD.

He was one of the party of Hypocrites of Madina, supporter of Abdullah Bin UBAI, the hypocrite in Chief.

On the day of Battle of OHUD, when prophet started with an army of 1000, and after going a short distance Abdullah bin UBAI, the hypocrite along with his 300 followers, deserted Muslim army and went back to Madina, claiming that “prophet did not accept his advice, but accepted advice of young lads of Madina”.

Prophet marched with remaining 700 of his followers to the plains of OHUD, on the way they passed the gardens of this MARBA’ BIN QAIDHI the blind Hypocrite, He heard the commotion and came out of his hut and shouted “O Mohammad! I do not give you permission to pass thru my land. If you are a Messenger of Allah, then you will not pass thru my land without permission”

Then he took a handful of sand and threw it towards prophet saying “By Allah, if I knew this will reach your eyes, I would have done so”!

Companions of prophet became very angry and went forward to punish him…

“Leave him Alone” said the Prophet “He is blind in his eyes and in his heart”

That was all what prophet did to him and went ahead.

There are some people on which “No sword” is really effective. The sword of patience and mercy of prophet had little effect on such blind people!!

Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#9511 Dec 2, 2012
Another hand picked passage from Muq and another example of how the prophet Muhammad was a bloody barbaric war monger. Thank you for verifying what everyone says about the prophet you animals worship.

This is why I wipe my @ss with pages of the Quran. It feels wonderful! I highly recommend this for everyone to try. Pages from the Quran do a jihad on the turd left overs that cling to your booty!

So Muq will you one day blow yourself up for Allah?
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-55
There were cases in which “All Swords” the prophet used to have at his disposal failed and one can say that he failed to “enslave” some people. There were some who faced Muslim army in the battle field and were slain, and there were a few cases which were executed on the order of prophet (which we shall take up in the next episode).
The Case of : MARBA’ BIN QAIDHI, THE BLIND MAN OF MADINA
MARBA’ BIN QAIDHI was a blind man, who lived outside Madina in a garden that lay along the route of Mount of OHUD.
He was one of the party of Hypocrites of Madina, supporter of Abdullah Bin UBAI, the hypocrite in Chief.
On the day of Battle of OHUD, when prophet started with an army of 1000, and after going a short distance Abdullah bin UBAI, the hypocrite along with his 300 followers, deserted Muslim army and went back to Madina, claiming that “prophet did not accept his advice, but accepted advice of young lads of Madina”.
Prophet marched with remaining 700 of his followers to the plains of OHUD, on the way they passed the gardens of this MARBA’ BIN QAIDHI the blind Hypocrite, He heard the commotion and came out of his hut and shouted “O Mohammad! I do not give you permission to pass thru my land. If you are a Messenger of Allah, then you will not pass thru my land without permission”
Then he took a handful of sand and threw it towards prophet saying “By Allah, if I knew this will reach your eyes, I would have done so”!
Companions of prophet became very angry and went forward to punish him…
“Leave him Alone” said the Prophet “He is blind in his eyes and in his heart”
That was all what prophet did to him and went ahead.
There are some people on which “No sword” is really effective. The sword of patience and mercy of prophet had little effect on such blind people!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi

Since: Mar 11

Portage, MI

#9516 Dec 3, 2012
There you go with that sand people mentality. Here's what you and every Muslim in the history of the world is unable to explain. Your book of desert scribbling uses characters and events from the Torah and NT but the Quran changes what those characters do and say. You sand people claim that those books were corrupted an changed an the Quran restores them to the original proper writings.

But here's the problem. While we find older copies of the bible myth, we never ever find versions that say what the wealthy merchant turned prophet Muhammad said. In fact the older copies of scrolls we find the words again and again go polar opposite what the wealthy merchant turned prophet Muhammad taught. So we have historical evidence time and time again backing this up, all you have is faith by threat of death. Sorry but historical proof outweighs your opinion and the historical proof shows more and more that the barbaric tyrant Muhammad simply stole and made up everything he wrote.

The sand people are easily startled but they'll soon be back and in greater numbers.
MUQ wrote:
<quoted text>
Ans.
What is means that "religions are as old as human civilization"!!
There was never a time when people did not have a religion.
How can you say that they were man made when the people themselves claim that they are based on "guidance from the above"?
It is your words against their words!!
Please see my reply to Mr. Andre, may be it covers most of points which you mentioned.

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#9517 Dec 3, 2012
-Skeptic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Does anyone know how to turn this sh*t off?
If anyone does, and isn't coming forward with the answer, I'll, I'll I'll, SPIT! So there.

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