Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9242 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
The title of this thread is "Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038".
But, as usual, the atheist lobby cannot resist hijacking the debate to attack the believers. I am just wondering why that? I have no problem with people not believing in God, but why some feel the need to attack my beliefs? What give them the right to do that?
But in any case, I doubt very much that atheism will defeat religion by 2038, if ever. Many people need some form of spirituality, and will turn to religion to find it. It's just human nature: we are not made of stone: we think, we look for solutions, we search moral comfort, etc...
Furthermore, religions are the pillars of many societies, and an essential part of social structures. If they were to suddenly vanish, the world order would collapse, I predict.
Atheism can be a pressure group in society, but never a beacon.
I hope to be there in 26 years time, and see the pundits proven wrong.
Meh. Not expecting defeating religion by 2038 as I don't think it's a battle. With the free flow of opinions and easy research to the major religions with the internet, I expect the influence of religion in politics to be lessened and get on with managing a country.

And I don't think you'll ever rid people of the spirituality aspect. What I would like to see is that an individual's spirituality is what they think is useful for them without the peer pressure from government and its citizens in the "correct" way of thinking.

However, your spirituality beliefs is not a shield from criticism (i.e. questioning of their beliefs). If your beliefs cannot withstand questioning, just how true can it be?

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9243 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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Attacking someone's beliefs and turning them in derision is insulting, like it or not. You atheists have no right to do that!
I could just as well start laughing at your lack of spirituality, at your materialism, at your belief that there is no creator, no afterlife, that for you "Big Bang" came out of nowhere, etc... but I don't. Who says you know reality more than I do?
You have as many answered questions as the believers, so why do you insist in holding the high ground in any conversation?
US citizen, right? How many US politicians say they are atheists? How many atheiists would be trusted by the US public? How comes your country is so religious? Your compatriots, are they all ignorant fools believing in "Myths" and "fairy tales" too? Is your Constitution a fraud? Because religion is very, very powerful in the US! Answer that...
Your first sentence:

"Attacking someone's beliefs and turning them in derision is insulting, like it or not."

I absolutely believe in Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Homeopathic remedies, vaccines cause austism, Expanding Earth as the cause of earthquakes and volcanoes, astrology, phrenology, Lamarckian hereditary evolution, disease is caused by out of balance humours, ponzi schemes, Bohr's model of the atom, Tolkien's books are pure history, Spiderman, Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, efficacy of prayer, A Nigerian Prince has a totally legit lucrative business offering, buying land in Florida sight unseen and must be decided now is a good deal, Mitt Romney really did have a plan, playing the lottery is the best retirement plan, Rachel from card holder services really will help me with my credit card debt (even though I don't have one) and Anonymous is my personal army.

How dare you criticize any of my beliefs!

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9244 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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This isn't an "atheist forum", it's a thread about atheism defeating religions on Topix! Wahtever "defeating" means in this context.
Why "fictional god"?
You can't prove there is no God, no more than I can prove there is one. We are equal here. Your reasoning isn't superior to mine.
You say there is god.

A positive assertion.

The burden of proof is on you.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9245 Nov 22, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Muslims celebrate Bus full of innocent people blown up.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/21/us-...
Meh. It's the Middle East. They've always been at war so why should it change now.

I'd like to get away from being dependent on oil so I don't have to care about that region anymore.

Be nice to think of it as "Oh. Mongolia invaded an occupied the Gobi desert? Wonder how many Americans know where the Gobi desert is?"

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9246 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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Or maybe you could answer me how the 4.5 billion years old planet Earth came to be? I know the scientists tell me it's the "Big Bang". But what provoked the Big bang, eh soldier?
When you will prove to me that the whole universe came out of nowhere and spontaneously, you too will be a little more convincing to me "shrugs".
Nonevidence isn't an answer.
In between, it's just a question that needs an answer, although you may already have decided there is no question to ask, so no answer to offer.
Now that's an interesting question. We humans don't quite understand infinity but we're trying.

Invoking magic, aka God did it, just isn't satisfying. Well, maybe for you, but not me.

At one time, people wondered what lightning was. God did it was good enough for a long time. But for some that wasn't satisfactory and here we are using electricity to power the computer you used to post on this board.

Or did you pray so hard that your post here should be considered a miracle of divine origin?

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9247 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Here is a "free Lesson" for every one:
If for "any reason" you are missing from any thread for any reason.....please try to compensate for that absence by posting "Non stop" on each and every issue.
Irrespective of whether you know it or do not know it.
If you do not know it, it would be best, because your posts would be "Unbiased and Reasonable"
Signed:
Greymouser the Returnee from Temp. Exile
My apologies that I don't hang your every post every day. Posting here is a hobby.

You may notice that I use the reply so I quote your post to remind you of what you said.

If you can't follow up on what you posted a few days ago, perhaps you can't keep up with the lies that you are trying to spin.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9248 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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..personal character of our prophet, who was the “Noblest Soul that ever lived on this earth”
Thats funny. lol

You are obviously an intelligent person. Good at apologetics.

But also brainwashed. I guess from childhood.

Its very difficult to break a lifetime of brainwashing. Some people never do it.

The reason you think Muhammed was such a great guy is cause this is what you have been taught.

If you were born in Hickville, in the US, you would be waxing lyrical about how wonderful Jesus is.

You need to evaluate whether your beliefs are rational and the evidence for and against supports those beliefs.

For those of us outside the muslim bubble this is very easy. We hear Muhammed having a 6 yo wife, and stories of alledged miracles. And to us its obviously a fairy tale.

Likewise some of here were programmed into christian beliefs. To you this is stupid, and it is. But it can take time to shake off these beliefs.

Good luck.
rio

UK

#9249 Nov 22, 2012
greymouser wrote:
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You say there is god.
A positive assertion.
The burden of proof is on you.
I didn't say that. Read me again. I wrote that no one can prove there is no God, just like I cannot prove it exists.

I believe in God myself. I don't feel the need to convince you of his existence, neither do a want to. It would be pointless.
The belief in God is a personal journey; you discover him or you don't.

So, I don't need to prove anything; I have no burden. Faith cannot be transmitted; it's at the core of an individual, or not. That's it...
rio

UK

#9250 Nov 22, 2012
greymouser wrote:
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Now that's an interesting question. We humans don't quite understand infinity but we're trying.
Invoking magic, aka God did it, just isn't satisfying. Well, maybe for you, but not me.
At one time, people wondered what lightning was. God did it was good enough for a long time. But for some that wasn't satisfactory and here we are using electricity to power the computer you used to post on this board.
Or did you pray so hard that your post here should be considered a miracle of divine origin?
WEll, when your scientists will have answered ALL the questions about the origins, maybe atheists will be more convincing.
But until then, leave those in search of an answer believe in God if they wish.

I don't wish to exploit the point, but do you know that many scientists are also believers? All magicians perhaps?
Ouch, that must be hard for you to accept, eh?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9251 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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.. no one can prove there is no God, just like I cannot prove it exists.
..
So what are we talking about here. An invisible and silent entity that doesnt answer prayers??

What about a celestial teapot that lies between earth and mars and moves in an eliptical orbit. Do you believe in that too?

Doesnt its lack of action, the fact that it doesnt answer prayers say a lot about its existence?
rio

UK

#9252 Nov 22, 2012
Adam wrote:
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So what are we talking about here. An invisible and silent entity that doesnt answer prayers??
What about a celestial teapot that lies between earth and mars and moves in an eliptical orbit. Do you believe in that too?
Doesnt its lack of action, the fact that it doesnt answer prayers say a lot about its existence?
But who is talking about prayers here? It's you!

I never mentioned any worship.

You are barking up the wrong tree, mate.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9253 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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But who is talking about prayers here? It's you!
I never mentioned any worship.
So you believe in God but not in worship or prayer? So.. you reject religion. Then why criticise Atheism?
rio

UK

#9254 Nov 22, 2012
Adam wrote:
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So you believe in God but not in worship or prayer? So.. you reject religion. Then why criticise Atheism?
I believe in God, but I reject organised religions.

I don't "criticise" atheism per se, I just find atheists about as fanatic as religious people.
They are hell-bent in demonstrating they are right, and are just as intolerent as the religious freaks.

People should just tolerate each other, and stop trying to be right all the time; it's childish to the extreme.
Andre

Durban, South Africa

#9255 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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I believe in God, but I reject organised religions.
I don't "criticise" atheism per se, I just find atheists about as fanatic as religious people.
They are hell-bent in demonstrating they are right, and are just as intolerent as the religious freaks.
People should just tolerate each other, and stop trying to be right all the time; it's childish to the extreme.
Who is this God that you believe in. Tell me about Him (or maybe a "Her")
rio

UK

#9256 Nov 22, 2012
Andre wrote:
<quoted text>Who is this God that you believe in. Tell me about Him (or maybe a "Her")
Not much to say, really.
I believe there is a creator, who was at the origin of the universe, just like I believe there is some form of afterlife. In what form I don't know, may be re-birth, reincarnation, etc ...
Maybe both are linked ...

I reject organised religions that create dogma around beliefs, build structures, try to control people, etc... and pretend to have all the answers.

I prefer to have some of my questions unanswered...
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9257 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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I just find atheists about as fanatic as religious people.
Really? Maybe you should read some the fundie posts. Ya heba last week said that she despised kafir of all kinds. Meaning she hates everyone except Muslims. THAT is intolerance. Compare to that, the lighthearted banter by free thinkers here, is very friendly.
rio

UK

#9258 Nov 22, 2012
Adam wrote:
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Really? Maybe you should read some the fundie posts. Ya heba last week said that she despised kafir of all kinds. Meaning she hates everyone except Muslims. THAT is intolerance. Compare to that, the lighthearted banter by free thinkers here, is very friendly.
Yes, some religious folks are very fanatics about their beliefs, just like some atheists are intolerents as well.

I can understannd it from some cultures, but atheists are supposed to be open-minded. They are not.

There is no lighthearted banter about beliefs; it can't be.
Belief or non-belief is at the core of an individual thinking; there is nothing more personal and intimate than that!

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9259 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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When did I insult you?
Who says I believe in Christ?
I don't attack anyone's beliefs, or lack of; that's their business, but in exchange I expect not to be slandered for mine.
You turn to be more intolerent than the so-called "religious nuts" you so despise.
Lady, you have a problem; like a chip on your shoulder!!
BTW, Your video is crap. I can't judge the content, but the picture and sound quality are terrible, very amateurish. That's the reality!
Pft, you're judging a vlog, seriously? I thought you were another shallow believer, and you just lowered the bar. Good job.

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Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#9260 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
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I believe in God, but I reject organised religions.
I don't "criticise" atheism per se, I just find atheists about as fanatic as religious people.
They are hell-bent in demonstrating they are right, and are just as intolerent as the religious freaks.
People should just tolerate each other, and stop trying to be right all the time; it's childish to the extreme.
So, like all christians, you are picking and choosing what you "think" is right. Good call, helping the cause.
rio

Bromley, UK

#9261 Nov 22, 2012
KittenKoder wrote:
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So, like all christians, you are picking and choosing what you "think" is right. Good call, helping the cause.
You keep making assumptions about people and getting it wrong all the time!

Stop it!

I am no more christian than you are the moon!

Never heard of DEISM perhaps?

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