Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Nehwon

#9222 Nov 21, 2012
ya heba wrote:
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100% true
Oh. Now you understand math and percentages.

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Nehwon

#9223 Nov 21, 2012
gaz wrote:
Funny how the chimps ain't turning into people and we as a people haven't evolved anything
You do have a point here.

Chimps don't actively destroy their world in the pursuit of money and rationalize it by saying Jesus is gonna do it anyway, so let's give him a helping hand.

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Nehwon

#9224 Nov 22, 2012
rio wrote:
Are atheists happier than believers?
That's the question, and I don't think that is true.
Also, in countries where atheism was enforced, why were the people resisting it, and keeping their faith in secret?
Several governments have tried in the past to stop religious beliefs (USSR, China, Albania, etc...) have they succeeded? No. Why?
Let's start with the last - totalitarian governments have tried to stop a religious belief because it's a competing authoritarian power. Consider that for a second - two totalitarian authorities in conflict with each other. not going to be a fairy tale ending.

As for your first question - are atheists happier than believers?

Considering the believers get a weekly dose of heroin to make themselves feel good about themselves in the guise of a all powerful being who looks after them except when it doesn't, you tend to think life is a fairy tale. If only you prayed harder, you'll be blessed with prosperity.

Counter that with the atheist who is trying to do well in the world on their merits. They work to learn and understand and do well, but if they don't believe in santa clause, they are public enemy number 1 and become the blame for all the ills of the country because they aren't praying. Odd thing is, once you eliminate the atheists, the next scapegoat will be the ones who don't pray the right way.

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Nehwon

#9225 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Thank you brother for your support and appreciation.
Salaam
MUQ
And once your common enemy has been defeated, I wonder how long he'll be your brother or vice versa.

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Nehwon

#9226 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-42
Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.
The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”
The Case of : ABU DHARR GHIFARI
ABU DHARR belonged to the tribe of GHIFAR of Arabia. This tribe had a bad reputation of engaging in highway robbery and every one was afraid of people from this tribe.
When the prophet declared his mission and this information spread thru out Arabia, ABU DHARR also got curious. He sent his brother UNAIS to go to Makkah and find out about this prophet and his teachings. UNAIS was the poet of the tribe and a powerful orator himself.
UNAIS came and lived for a few days in Makkah, he met prophet, and listened to his sermons and talks. When he went back ABU DHARR asked him, and he said that “people say that he is poet, but what he says is not poetry”…..but he did not say more about his teachings.
ABU DHARR then decided to go himself and see for himself. He reached Makkah, but he did not know anyone in Makkah, neither he knew about prophet, so he just waited in Kaaba, perchance he may find him there. When evening came, Ali the cousin of prophet seeing one man from outside Makkah and no one to help him, took him with him to his house for food and shelter. In the morning ABU DHARR went back to Kaaba as on previous day, this continued for three days.
On fourth day, Ali asked him about his purpose of visit to Makkah and ABU DHARR told him after lot of persuasion. Ali then took him to prophet. Prophet explained to him about Islam and rehearsed some verses from Quran. ABU DHARR immediately accepted Islam and became some of the earliest entrants to Islam.
Prophet advised him to go back to his tribe and meet him, when Islam became stronger,“No ! O Messenger of Allah” said ABU DHARR “I will go to Kaaba and rehearse this Quran openly there” Saying this he went to Kaaba and started reciting Quran in aloud voice.
QURAISH were stunned, for first few moments, they looked aghast, then they pounced on ABU DHARR from all directions and started beating him. They were beating and were about to kill him, when some one said “Do you know this man is from GHIFAR tribe. If you kill them they will make your travels very dangerous”.
So they left him and people dropped him to the house of ABBAS, uncle of prophet and he returned to his tribe a fully committed Muslim.
ABU DHARR joined prophet in Madina when he heard that prophet had migrated there. ABU DHARR has had a high place in Islam and amongst the companions of prophet. He lived the life close to hermit in Islam and was well renowned for his forceful talk, whenever he noticed any thing which he considered wrong.
He died during the Caliphate of Othman, the third Caliph of Islam in a place called RABDHA, which is in the outskirts of Madina.
Such was the wonderful story of ABU DHARR “critically wounded” by the “sword of Truth and Quran” wielded by prophet. A single stroke was enough to enslave and capture him for life!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
This is supposed to be convincing? Perhaps the political elections here have jaded me or made me more skeptical or the internet has spoiled me with easy searching.

This sounds like amateur stuff a child makes up compared to the spin I see now. But I could see how it would be effective 40 years ago. Researching took time and effort. Now it's a google search.

But it does support something I suspect. The internet will be the demise of the old religions unless they can find a way to control what people can post.

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Nehwon

#9227 Nov 22, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
THE QURAN - 23:5,6
"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..."
I wandered out to find an online source for the Qu'ran and the Hadiths.

What a mess it is out there.

Not sure if it's by design or just fractured thinking in organizing things according to technology, a combination of both or deliberate obfuscation.

For a chosen religion of god, they sure aren't keeping up with putting forth their revelation is a clear, easily navigated, searchable format. Once again, that may be from design, ignorance or their word of god cannot stand up to scrutiny.

Any help to a decent site would be appreciated.

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Nehwon

#9228 Nov 22, 2012
Khatru wrote:
What do you call a Muslim that owns a camel and a goat?
Bisexual
Oh.

My guess was "half way there in faith".

I figured a donkey and a hashish hookah would be the other two parts to unlock the "suicide vest of explosives" powerup to gain the heavenly levels.

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Nehwon

#9229 Nov 22, 2012
Khatru wrote:
Did you hear about the Muslim strip club?
It features full facial nudity.
Yeah, but the really hard core ones show ankles and leg up to the knee. Scandalous!

But you could only get into those shows if you were dressed up as the God Squad police - brown robes with gold trim and a stick that looked like a wand from the Harry Potter books.
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9230 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-44
Unless I missed it, you ignored my post. You refuse to accept the truth that your "prophet" married a 6 year old and consummated that marriage when she was 9 years old. Do you know if you reject the hadith, you are no different to an infidel, in the eyes of most muslims?
Adam

Stoke-on-trent, UK

#9231 Nov 22, 2012
greymouser wrote:
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the atheist who is trying to do well in the world on their merits. They work to learn and understand and do well, but if they don't believe in santa clause, they are public enemy number 1 and become the blame for all the ills of the country because they aren't praying. Odd thing is, once you eliminate the atheists, the next scapegoat will be the ones who don't pray the right way.
Good point. Theists are already bashing each other. They are self destructing over minor differences in their beliefs. Religious squabbles have been going on since man first invented religion. Proof of the man made nature of supernatural belief systems.

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Nehwon

#9232 Nov 22, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
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Exactly some of them are fanatical. Yeah true I think its important to have tolerance of peoples beliefs with regard to their faith or lack of it.
I used to have time for Dawkins, didn't agree with all he said but thought he was interesting all the same. I saw him then slagging off Mitt Romney on some US chat show because Romney was a Mormon. Now I believe Mormonism is not true, but I thought Dawkins slagging Romney off over believing in it was a bit below the belt. He went down in my estimation a bit because of that.
Obviously Romney like him or not, isn't stupid, he wouldn't have been running for President if he was. He has his religious beliefs, I think they deserve a bit of respect no matter how far out people might think they are.
And you don't know much about the history of Mormonism.

Joseph Smith was a con man throughout his life and in everything he did. I'll give him credit for coming up with a way to commit adultery with another man's wife and make him sound godly at the same time. That's also what led him to his death by a mob while he was sitting in a jail cell.

The Mormon religious history went downhill from there. And yet they have managed to grow beyond into an authoritarian cult with some political influence.

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Nehwon

#9233 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Give me the name of a Single Muslim Scholar who says that Bukhari is Quran?
Just a single one will suffice!!
And I am amazed at your courage to address me as a KAFIR, do you know what KAFIR means?
Is this where you nitpick that the Hadiths carry less weight than the Qu'ran? But still quite important to Islam?

Do you really think Mohammed would admit to be a pedophile? I don't think he could pull that off and make it socially acceptable even with his reputation as the next-to-last prophet.

How times have changed.

Your prophet would have been convicted of child molestation in today's modern world. I doubt even Allah could save him from the wrath of the prisoners. They may be monsters but they don't like child rapers. Who says the worst of the worst of us don't have some basic moral conduct? What does that say about your prophet?

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#9234 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-43
Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.
The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”
The Case of : ABDULLAH BIN ABU UMAIYYAH, of MAKKAH
ABDULLAH BIN ABU UMAIYYAH was the son of ATIKAH, the Aunt of Prophet. He was therefore a first cousin of Prophet. He knew the prophet from his childhood.
But when prophet declared his mission, this ABDULLAH not only declined to accept his mission, but joined the party who were his bitterest enemies.
Prophet was hoping that he, would have some regard to the kinship and close relation which he had with prophet. In those days, ties of kinship accounted for many considerations, but there were a few people in Makkah who disregarded even these ties and exceeded in their bounds. This Abdullah was also one of those.
Prophet was very disappointed when he saw the attitudes of this Abdullah and ABUSUFYAN, the Son of HARITH, another cousin of prophet. Prophet bore with dignity, all their insults and taunts during his thirteen years of his mission in Makkah.
The thing which really hurt prophet the most was when this Abdullah said to the prophet “I would not believe in you, untill you bring a ladder and go up into sky, then come back from there bringing a written down book and four angels who give testimony that this is a book of Allah….and even then I doubt if I will believe you”!!
Coming from a first cousin of prophet, these were harsh and strange word indeed!!
Prophet migrated to Madina along with his followers, and this Abdullah remained in Makkah along with those enemies of prophet……time took a turn and after eight years prophet returned to Makkah in full glory. It ws time when these people recognised their mistakes.
Abdullah and Abu SUFYAN, went to prophet to ask for his pardon. Prophet turned his face away from them. His wife UMME SALAMAH, said to the prophet “Your cousins Abdullah and Abu SUFYAN are at your door asking for your pardon”
“What sort of cousins are these to me, do you know what they did and said to me while I was in Makkah” said the prophet and refused to meet them.
They went disheartened and met Ali, another cousin of prophet. Ali told them, to use the same tactics as was used by the brethren of Joseph when they asked pardon from their brother Joseph.
Accordingly this Abdullah and Abu SUFYAN went and waited outside the door of prophet and when he came out recited the following verse from Quran
“By Allah! He favored you over me, We were indeed those who did wrong”……(Chapter YOSUF from Quran)
Prophet looked at an instant for those two, smiled and completed the Quranic verse “There is no blame on you this day, May Allah forgive you, for He is oft-forgiving Most Merciful”!
Thus prophet used his "Sword of Mercy and Pardon” to enslave these of his kinfolks for ever!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
There seems to be a pattern in all your cut-n-paste postings. Near relatives didn't want to be near the prophet. My guess is they were protecting their own children.

The prophet was reported to have molested one child. I wonder how many more were when he gained military power. Or was the one just an isolated incident?

MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9235 Nov 22, 2012
Here is a "free Lesson" for every one:

If for "any reason" you are missing from any thread for any reason.....please try to compensate for that absence by posting "Non stop" on each and every issue.

Irrespective of whether you know it or do not know it.

If you do not know it, it would be best, because your posts would be "Unbiased and Reasonable"

Signed:

Greymouser the Returnee from Temp. Exile
MUQ

Qatif, Saudi Arabia

#9236 Nov 22, 2012
Adam wrote:
1.

I believe yesterday you denied that Muhammad consummated the marriage to Aisha when she was a 9 year old child. This relationship is documented in many of your Islamic sources including Bukhari. Do you believe this? Yes or No.

2.

"You people" is not me. I disagreed with the war in Iraq, and I disagree with the current war in Afghanistan. Hopefully Western troops will withdraw and Arab people can sort out their own problems. Lets see if they will be successful, or if they will continue to blame all their faults on the US and Israel.

3.

Yes I no longer take religious things seriously, as I have come to the realisation that god, heaven, hell, angels, etc are imaginary, in exactly the same way that the gods and myths of ancient societies are imaginary. Where I live in the UK, 2000 years ago they worshiped a pantheon of Celtic and roman deities. Its a delusion. No doubt.

I made a typing error. Should have typed "many". FYI I am a white British person, not a hindu. I was thinking wit? book of manu. lol
Ans.

01. Our prophet’s marriage with Lady Aiyesha:

a. I did not deny our Prophet's marriage with Lady Aiyesha. That uncouth person said “It is mentioned in Quran that our prophet had sex with a 9 year old girl”. I only asked where it is mentioned in the Quran.

When you say something, you should know what you are saying.

b. As regards our prophet’s marriage with lady Aiyesha, there was nothing objectionable in it. It was performed with full approval of her parents, and no one in the contemporary society made any objection to it.

c. he marriage was consummated when lady Aiyesha had reached the age of marriage. There was a three years waiting period so that she could attain that age.

d. And the marriage benefited Lady Aiyesha much more than it benefited our prophet. She became one of the Most Learned Muslim women, because of her close association with the prophet and is universally respected and revered in the whole Islamic nation.

e. Her “modern day supporters” have nothing to help her position or honor. They find it written that “her age was 9 years”…. That is enough for them to start their vilification compaign against our prophet.

Their aim is not to understand the position, but to get any thing to malign the personal character of our prophet, who was the “Noblest Soul that ever lived on this earth”

(Contd.)
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9237 Nov 22, 2012
2. War on Iraq and Afghanistan:

a. I did not accuse you personally. When I use the word I or You, it means our Nations and our societies and not our individual persons.

b. I know for sure that there were many millions of people in USA and UK and whole of Europe who were against the war on Iraq and Afghanistan, but your “democratically elected” Presidents and Prime Ministers gave a damn about these people.

c. And these people themselves did nothing more that “registering their sham protest”. If it was for any other issue they would not have it idle and continued to stage protest till their demand were met, as they do for other things.

d. Similar is the situation for Palestine and Israel’s atrocities against the Palestinians. There are million of people in US, UK and Europe who are against it, but they keep silent and watch mootly what is going on and do not register their protests.

e. Why should we think that they are sincere in their thinking? To see some wrong being done and do not raise your voice against it, is in fact “being a party to the wrong” is it not?

C. Your Views on religion:

a. I find you views on religion very illogical. You have provided no proofs that what are reasons and logic for you to have your beliefs.

b. Just because there are Quacks practicing medicine in the streets and just because there have always been quacks thru out human history, you have no rights to “conclude” that there are “No Genuine Medical Doctor” out there and every one is a Quack.

c. Just because there are “books that are filled with errors and there have been books with errors in every age” would justify that “there is not a single book in the world without errors and all books should be burned”.

d. In the same way, just because there are many religions in the world, each claiming that it is true one, should be reason for you to conclude “either all are right or all of them are wrong”.

e. You should analyze their claims and find out which one is true religion. Or you should have “Very strong proofs” about your own views.

f. You should have your own proofs that this Universe came into existence by itself without any Plan, design or Purpose behind it, the life in its infinite variety and humans came int existence by “themselves without any purpose, plan, or design and designer”?

g. If you have no proofs but “Just your assumptions” that what you say is true, then let me remind you once again “That you taking a Big Gamble (And Not Pascal’s Gamble , please note) with your life.

This is sincere advice from one Human to another Human brother. I do not get any gain if you rethink your position.

PS:

How was I supposed to know that a White British Agnostic Man would mention MANU ( of all the world’s billions of books available) in his post?

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#9238 Nov 22, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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Ans.
01. The FACTS do not change whether you be an Agnostic or Atheist. And the Universe and its Creator does not vanish in thin air, just because you "refuse to believe in their existence".
You are entitled to your personal view no doubt, but you should keep in mind that how you closed your mind against all reasons and logic and evidence of existence of Creator that was "open before your own eyes" if you would have but opened it. And the more efforts we made to open your eyes, the more closely you shut it.
02. We create our own purpose here, is a very illogical thing to say. Do you create and make any thing and let itself to decide its purpose? Would you expect a car to de-accelerate when you press the acceleration paddle?
It was OK if you created your own self. You even did not know when and how were you conceived. You did not even knew you will be born healthy or with disease and infirmities.
Now you stand and say I do not believe for any Creator to tell what is my purpose of life.
03. To use Pascal's wager type of argument to deny existence of Creator is a very unreasonable and illogical thing.
Every thing in this Universe points towards the existence of Creator and His Power, His Mercy and His Wisdom and His Knowledge.
It is humans who have muddled the Pure concept of Creator by "inventing their own models" so people like you get confused and reject the whole idea.
It only shows shallowness of your personality and lack of thinking and analyzing things in their right perspectives.
(Contd.)
Oh, you did not try to use Pascal's Wager as an argument.
Here's a hint - never bring that up again unless you are a Christian talking to Christians.

Pascal divided that up into a 4x4 box based on the Christian god. Take note - your Islamic god falls outside of the wager.

If Pascal wanted to be more accurate, he'd have to list every deity from every civilization throughout time as which is the right one to follow.

As an atheist, I have a much better chance of gaining mercy by saying "I don't know" than you do by proclaiming your god to be the one above all the others.

Now here's the big difference. I say "I don't know" because there has been nothing to convince me that any religion has it right. You say you are absolutely sure because why... you were born in the region of the world that told you that your religion is the one?

You will go to war (assuming you aren't a chickenhawk) to make sure your version of god is the law of the land.

I'll go to war so others can find their own individual path and that it's not enforced by the law of the land.

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#9239 Nov 22, 2012
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#9240 Nov 22, 2012
Adam wrote:
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I believe yesterday you denied that Muhammed consummated the marriage to Aisha when she was a 9 year old child. This relationship is documented in many of your islamic sources including Bukhari. Do you believe this? Yes or No.
Any odds that "consummated" is a translation error?

When your religion is faced with problematic questions, make a diversion into language issues. I wonder where I've seen that before?

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#9241 Nov 22, 2012
Adam wrote:
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"You people" is not me. I disagreed with the war in Iraq, and I disagree with the current war in Afghanistan. Hopefully Western troops will withdraw and Arab people can sort out their own problems. Lets see if they will be successful, or if they will continue to blame all their faults on the US and Israel.
This is a big can of worms you are opening.

Iraq II, Yahoo Cowboy Bush Boogaloo. Yeah. mistake.

Afghanistan? Can't agree with you there. The place where empires go to die? Knocking out a safe training haven is worthwhile. Establishing a "western" tradition where girls can go to school? worthwhile.

Israel? Not worthwhile if they want to pursue the tactics that was inflicted them on days past on others. But the US has religious groups who think starting Armageddon in the Middle East is a good thing to force Jesus to come back.

For the religious fundamentalists, war is not only acceptable but desirable. God is on their side. Unless they lose. Then it's because they've sinned somehow. But once they atone, they'll win the next war. and so on. and so on. and so on.

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