Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

There are 24182 comments on the Psychology Today story from Apr 25, 2012, titled Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038. In it, Psychology Today reports that:

My blog posts on religion have attracted a lot of controversy. Religious people are annoyed by my claim that belief in God will go the way of horse transportation, and for much the same reason, specifically an improved standard of living.

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Since: Jun 07

Planet Earth

#9202 Nov 21, 2012
rio wrote:
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This isn't an "atheist forum", it's a thread about atheism defeating religions on Topix! Wahtever "defeating" means in this context.
Why "fictional god"?
You can't prove there is no God, no more than I can prove there is one. We are equal here. Your reasoning isn't superior to mine.
The planet Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. 4.5 billion years of nonevidence is a little more convincing to me *shrugs*.

If you can't see the logic in that, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Since: Sep 12

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#9203 Nov 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Actually my halfwit mouth breather that is the little girl Malala who was gunned down in the name of your god.
I see you think it is funny and are proud of her suffering.
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My bad. The picture wasn't clear and was not labeled. I assumed it was a picture of you chilling with a blanket since you posted it as your profile picture. I couldn't figure out what the stringy thingy around the nose area was.

Since: Sep 12

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#9204 Nov 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Actually my halfwit mouth breather that is the little girl Malala who was gunned down in the name of your god.
I see you think it is funny and are proud of her suffering.
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Where was she gunned down? Who gunned her down? When did it happen? What is her name?
rio

Bromley, UK

#9205 Nov 21, 2012
albtraum wrote:
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The planet Earth is about 4.5 billion years old. 4.5 billion years of nonevidence is a little more convincing to me *shrugs*.
If you can't see the logic in that, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Or maybe you could answer me how the 4.5 billion years old planet Earth came to be? I know the scientists tell me it's the "Big Bang". But what provoked the Big bang, eh soldier?
When you will prove to me that the whole universe came out of nowhere and spontaneously, you too will be a little more convincing to me "shrugs".
Nonevidence isn't an answer.

In between, it's just a question that needs an answer, although you may already have decided there is no question to ask, so no answer to offer.

Since: Mar 11

Scottsburg, IN

#9206 Nov 21, 2012
Google up Malala you ignorant Christhole.
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Where was she gunned down? Who gunned her down? When did it happen? What is her name?

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Since: Dec 09

Wichita. Ks.

#9207 Nov 21, 2012
Sambrotherofnephi wrote:
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Where was she gunned down? Who gunned her down? When did it happen? What is her name?
You have to be joking asking questions like that.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#9208 Nov 21, 2012
Nikki wrote:
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Just because they're not making money of it doesn't mean they're not benefitting from it. A devout christian would want to have an NDE when nearly dying because this would validate his faith.
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Some explanations just are pretty complicated and nearly everyone on this forum has had this debate many times before.
If you're really interested this article might help explain the science of it a bit:
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm...
You'll probably be disappointed though...
"Altogether, scientific evidence suggests that all features of the near-death experience have some basis in normal brain function gone awry."
My first comment on here says
Dubbadub wrote:
I've a problem taking anything on face value. I really do.
The only thing that makes me think there is something else is not near death experiences.
Its those ''out of body'' experiences people who have died and came back have had. Where they were hovering above their dead body.
Experiences where they could see and tell exactly what was happening to them like they were alive. They can say exactly what was happening yet they were dead.
That sort of stuff is unexplainable......
Thanks for the comment though. I'll read the article anyway. But I'm not talking about NDE's. I'm talking about ''out of body'' experiences. I know the two are easily confused.

''Out of body'' experiences where people who died can hover above the room and after they come back to life say exactly what the other people were were doing, who said what, who performed CPR, etc all of that. They are dead, yet they can see these things happening and can tell who was doing what when they wake up without anyone telling them.

That is a bit strange.....

Thanks for the article though, I'll read it...

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#9209 Nov 21, 2012
Reason Personified wrote:
<quoted text>If someone is telling you that all these people who have almost left us for good, are seeing the same thing ... they are lying to you.
Some see an old white man, some see so called his blonde son, some see St. Peter, some the angel Gabriel. Some see the virgin, some the holy mother, some see Mohammed, some see Allah, some see Buddha, or Kali, or Pele, or even Isis. Some see light, some don't. Some see their own passed relatives, beckoning them forward or sending them back, some see friends, neighbors, lovers, some see flames, demons, Satan or the imps of hell, some even see black Jesus, and some of us, see nothing at all, while we were gone. But we do see things as we are floating away from, and when we are returning to consciousness. For me, it was a light in a hall, and my son's voice. I didn't mistake it for anything other than what it was.
There are problems with these tales, how do you tell St. Peter from Gabriel? Why would the "savior" be a blonde?
If NDE's had any meaning, everyone would be seeing the same myth-monkey.
I died and had the NDE experience too. It was what I was really seeing and what I knew was there and what I expected to be around me, as my brain was shutting down, starved for oxygen, that I saw. No surprises. I am atheist, I expected no imaginary friends, and I failed to see a single one.
Now imagine if you will a Christain, wanting some proof of what they have been taught, they will see only what they are expecting to see, as will anyone from other religions. They will see what they have been conditioned to believe would be there at their last breaths. When every religionist sees the same thing, we can talk about possibilities of any of it being realistic.
Thanks for your comment I read it all. Very interesting.

Although I wasn't talking about NDE's, I was talking about those ''Out of Body'' experiences....You know the ones I mean?
Nikki

Brecht, Belgium

#9210 Nov 21, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
Thanks for the comment though. I'll read the article anyway. But I'm not talking about NDE's. I'm talking about ''out of body'' experiences. I know the two are easily confused.
''Out of body'' experiences where people who died can hover above the room and after they come back to life say exactly what the other people were were doing, who said what, who performed CPR, etc all of that. They are dead, yet they can see these things happening and can tell who was doing what when they wake up without anyone telling them.
That is a bit strange.....
Thanks for the article though, I'll read it...
I was under the impression those kinds of out of boy experiences were a type of NDE, though. And I'm not an expert on NDE's by any means, but I believe they can be explained by the same principle as the other common NDE phenomena: the brain creates an illusion and people see what they expect to see.

Our brains can trick us into believing and even feeling extraordinary things.

Have you ever heard of the nocebo effect?

It's sort of an opposite placebo effect. People believe that something that's actually perfectly harmless (like wind turbines) causes ilness and actually start showing symptoms such as headaches (It's called wind turbine syndrome).

Even stranger is the fact that this wind turbine syndrome seems to be spreading. People are showing signs of illness merely because others have told them wind turbines are harmful to them.

I highly suspect something similar plays a part with out of body experiences.

And forgive me for being skeptical, but if I had just one euro for every time a religious person came on a forum like this claiming to be a skeptic and then completely disregarding all scientific evidence that got thrown their way, I'd be a very wealthy woman...
MUQ

Dammam, Saudi Arabia

#9211 Nov 21, 2012
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-44

Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.

The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”

The Case of : ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH

ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH had earlier accepted Islam. Since he knew how to read and write, prophet had taken him to be one of his scribe. Whenever any new revelation came, prophet used to call him and write it down, since prophet did not know how to read and write.

He went to Madina and was being used for this duty. It so happened that when prophet was dictating one verse of Quran, he stopped just before completing the verse, ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH prompted with some ending words and prophet said “yes, this is how this verse ends”.

This incident caused turbulence in the heart of ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH and he thought that I can also write verses like Quran. He therefore went back from Islam and went back to Makkah boasting that “Mohammad does not know about revelation, it is me, who tell him what to write and he speaks”.

Prophet was extremely pained by this false charge against him….when prophet conquered Makkah, he declared general amnesty but with some exceptions.

ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH’ s name was amongst those who were exempted from this general amnesty. His crime was double, going back on Islam and laying a false charge against the prophet.

ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH came to know about it, and he hid himself. After some days he approached prophet thru some emissary, asking for pardon and saying that he was extremely ashamed of his past conduct.

Using his “Sword of Mercy and Pardon” prophet declared his pardon and he became one of Good Muslims.

During the caliphate of Othman this ABDULLAH BIN ABI SARH was one of the renowned Islamic warrior and he conquered many new areas for Islamic army. His record as a Warrior and Just ruler are recorded in Islamic history books.

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Since: May 09

Earth,TX

#9212 Nov 21, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
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Thanks for your comment I read it all. Very interesting.
Although I wasn't talking about NDE's, I was talking about those ''Out of Body'' experiences....You know the ones I mean?
Same thing, near death experiences, but maybe you are referring to the seance type of folderol.

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Since: Aug 08

Nunya

#9213 Nov 21, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
But I'm not talking about NDE's. I'm talking about ''out of body'' experiences. I know the two are easily confused.
''Out of body'' experiences where people who died can hover above the room and after they come back to life say exactly what the other people were were doing, who said what, who performed CPR, etc all of that. They are dead, yet they can see these things happening and can tell who was doing what when they wake up without anyone telling them.
People aren't dead until they are clinically dead i.e. no brain function. Just because your heart stops and you're not breathing doesn't make you clinically dead.

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#9214 Nov 21, 2012
Givemeliberty wrote:
Google up Malala you ignorant Christhole.
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Thanks. I didn't know.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9215 Nov 21, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Which “Sword” the Prophet Used against his enemies: Part-39
Enemies of Islam represent our prophet as a very cruel and blood thirsty man, who would kill his “opponents, enemies and any one who disagreed with him” at “the drop of hat” and all his adversaries would be “terrified” at the mere sight of him.
The picture is far from true, let us look at some incidents from the life of prophet, as what was “this sword which killed the enmity for ever”
The Case of : HABBAR BIN ASWAD
HABBAR was a resident of Makkah and he was one of the bitterest enemies of Islam. He remained enemy of prophet and Muslims during their 13 years mission in Makkah.
When prophet migrated to Madina and wanted to bring her daughters ZAINAB and Others (FATIMA, & UMME KULTHOOM) to Madina. He sent his adopted son ZAID with camels to bring them back. ZAID took Fatima and UMM KULTHOOM, and wanted to take ZAINAB also.
ZAINAB was already married to ABU AL AAS and she was in advanced stage of pregnancy. When she had boarded the camel. Family members of ABU AL AAS, came and said that we will not allow Prophet’s daughter to be taken out of Makkah in broad day light.
During the discussion, this stone hearted HABBAR hit the camel on whom ZAINAB was sitting and she fell from the camel and had miscarriage. She suffered internal bleeding and never recovered from that injury and it lead to her death a few years later.
Prophet was extremely sad and unhappy when he learned of the accident, on the other hand this HABBAR remained unrepentant of the criminal act he had done.
When prophet conquered Makkah in year 8 H, he gave general amnesty to all people of Makkah, except 8 or 10 people. HABBAR ‘ name was in those eight or ten people for the crime he had done to prophet’ daughter.
HABBAR was afraid of his life and he hid himself in fear….but after some days, he was told that prophet does not kill those who declare Islam to him.
Accordingly he went to prophet and declared his Islam and asked for pardon for all his previous mistakes and crimes.
Prophet had him in his total control and if he would have been like any of those Earthly kings and rulers or cruel as our “Experts” would led us to believe, executing such a personal enemy would have been for him a moment’s decision.
But he was sent as a “mercy to the Universe”, so even in this condition, he took “His Sword of Mercy” and pardoned HABBAR thereby setting an example which is hard to be broken in the annals of this world!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Could I get a translation expert in here?

Are we sure ABU AL ASS wasn't a jealous god, err husband, and accused ZAINAB of cheating with HABBAR? And that the righteous ABU didn't punch ZAINAB in the stomach, putting her on a camel and pushing them down the stairs? Then proceed to slander HABBAR and make him an enemy of Islam?

Yes, that's a ridiculous interpretation. I imagine it would be hard to push a camel down the stairs.

But you did touch on one thing - "HABBAR was afraid of his life and he hid himself in fear."

Fear seems to be a keystone emotion in religion.

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Nehwon

#9216 Nov 21, 2012
MUQ wrote:
Later life:
HAMZA remained with prophet in Makkah, and helped him and supported him at every juncture. He migrated to Madina and in the battle of Badr slain UTBAH and SHAIBAH in hand to hand combat at the beginning of Battle, he also killed MUT’IM BIN UDAI, one of the Chief of Makkah.
In the battle of UHUD, next year. He also killed many of the warriors of Makkan army, he was killed in the battle field in a most cowardly manner. After he was dead, his body was mutilated, women of Makkah (lead by HIND, daughter of UTBAH and wife of Abu SUFYAN) cut his nose and ears, slit open his chest and removed his liver and kidney and chew on it.
When prophet saw the condition of body of his Uncle and Great Warrior of Islam in this condition, he was extremely pained.(He later pardoned Abu SUFYAN and HIND, but that is another story). He also said “If I was not fearing about the sentiments of SUFIA (HAMZA ‘ s Sister), or that it would be taken as a practice, I would leave the body of HAMZA in the same state, till crows and vultures ate him and then on the day of judgment, he would be resurrected from their bellies……and I would mutilate 70 of the Makkan ‘s slain. But a revelation from Allah prevented the prophet from retaliating like that
HAMZA with other martyrs of UHUD was buried on the side of battle field. Prophet led his funeral prayers, and he used to place his body along side every group of Martyrs whose bodies came before him for leading burial prayers. In this way the prophet performed 13 or 14 Burial prayers of his beloved and brave uncle HAMZA!!
Such was the wonderful story of HAMZA, the Uncle of prophet, who was “injured” by the “sword of kinship” but was fully “killed and enslaved” by the “Sword of prayer and Love” which Prophet wielded in abundance!!
Source: Companions of Prophet: by Talib Hashmi
Okay, I read your piece.

And it is unconvincing as this is a tall tale as told by the victors. In short, a lot of political spin as to why Mohammed's tribe is better than all the others.

Islam has learned it's lesson well from the Jews of the Old Testament of the Bible. The stories have a similar sound and public relations aspect.

Are you sure Mohammed wasn't a Jewish Pharisee? How ironic would that be in our time...

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Nehwon

#9217 Nov 21, 2012
MUQ wrote:
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The beauty is that there is no Scripture in any of the world's major religion that say that there are many gods.
They all agree that there is only One God of the Universe!!
The problem is only in the conceptual models as the followers of different religion have it.
If you look at Jewish people, they have a vision of a sort of having Special relationship with their YHWH. He seems to have a very special relationship with them, not because they are holders of banners of Truth, Monotheism and High Moral Character.
Just because they are descendents of jacob the son of Issac the son of Abraham.... obviously they have a racial concept of God Almighty, who hates other people and other races just because they are children from a separate sets of Mother and Father.
Now Coming to Christians, their God's model is a Triune one, in which they have made two partners in the Godhead. This is a concept which no one can understand. How God remain one when having three Different partners, all of them co-eternal, co-powerful and full God by themselves.
So somehow they have got confused in their concept of God.
Now coming to Hindus, their gods have special relationship with India and every thing Indian. Their scripture say that there is only one God, but in practice they have made thousands of gods, each doing special job.
So there concept of god is not Monotheist but Polytheist and it is not Universal.
It is only Islam which has retained the Purest Concept of Monotheist God, Allah is not Creator of only Arabs or only Muslims, He is Creator of whole Universe.
The message of Islam is not for Arabs, but for all nations.
Quran is not guidance for only Arabs or Muslims but for humanity at large.
And the Last and Final prophet is not only for Arabs and Muslims, but for all nations.
And Allah has no special relation with Arabs or Muslims, His justice and mercy is for all humanity, provided they follow His teachings.
So we can see that it is only in Islam that we have a proper concept of Monotheism and it is free from all Racial, linguistic or National bias.
Surely such a religion is which is most suited for humanity and will bring peace and justice to the world.
If Muslims are not presenting themselves as a good model of Islam, there is no justification for other people to not accept Islamic teachings on this excuse.
Nice to know you accept Jesus is your god then. After all, what's in a name, right? It's all the same, right? Why, you could even be called Jewish! It's all the same god...

But I'm guessing you won't see it that way. Your god is different.

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Nehwon

#9218 Nov 21, 2012
Miss Science Geek wrote:
How does a muslim man get his wife pregnant?
He rapes her
How many shekels does he need to pay her father?

Trick question! She isn't raped unless there's 3 other witnesses willing to testify!

And I'm the infidel who thinks any of that is abhorrent.

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Since: Dec 10

Nehwon

#9219 Nov 21, 2012
gaz wrote:
<quoted text>atheists can be fanatical too, look at Richard Dawkins he's mad as cheese. As for the YouTube link I dunno what the link is but it should take about ten seconds find really.
And here's the fun stuff.

You can point out 1 or 2 atheists and label the entire group like them.

But if I were to point out 1 or 2 wacko religionists, well, they are true <religion> are they?

For example, ask some Christians, and they'll say the Pope is the anti-christ. The leader of the church that created the bible and "preserved" it for a 1000 years.

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Nehwon

#9220 Nov 21, 2012
I said
"Sigh. Since I need to break it down and explain it, let's use a model, shall we?
Men are 50 percent of the population. Women are 50 percent of the population. If you don't understand percentages it would be something like this:
4 men
4 women
One man marries 4 women. 4 men - 1 married man leaves 3 unmarried men.
Are you following me this far? Or should I take it down a few school grade levels?
Since there are no more women to marry, what will those 3 unmarried men do?"
ya heba wrote:
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and i will repeat, there is no shortage of women.
You don't understand math, do you?

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Nehwon

#9221 Nov 21, 2012
ya heba wrote:
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if you can't or not married then you must remain virgin. all sex outside of marriage is prohibited.
Yeah, that's a realistic model. Teenagers always follow the rules.

And adultery never happens so there shouldn't even be any stonings (female) or head choppings (male) at all, right?

All praise to Allah. Chop chop square in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia can be turned into condos or something.

And why should sex be restricted to marriage?

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