Atheism to Defeat Religion by 2038

Adam wrote:

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But I dont have a delusion. A delusion is a false belief in spite of incontrovertible evidence.
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You don't have more "incontrovertible evidence" than myself!

You gamble there is no God because you were pissed off with your christian religion. To me it's a knee-jerk reaction.

But I can understand that, because I was the same, being raised in a catholic family with strict parents, educated by priests, etc...
I rejected all that and became anti-clergy, anti religion, anti-catholic, etc...
Religion didn't have a place in my life for years, in fact, I didn't miss it.

But then, I started to question my purpose in life, the meaning of life itself, the possibility of afterlife, etc... and that brought me to reasses my opinion. I suspect that as human beings with intelligence, we have more purpose in our existence than just passing through the world during our short lifespan and then dissappear without trace like a beetroot or a sparrow, destined to be forgotten after a couple of generations. That would be meaningless. There must be more to it than that, and that's what I am gambling on.
I am not trying to convince you, and if you think I am deluded, well, that's your opinion.

Adam wrote:

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We know religions are man made. All of the religions teach different things, and propogate myths and superstitious thinking. This is why as human civilisation advances Atheism MAY defeat religions, who knows maybe by 2038.

Yes, for sure, religions are man made social structures built around a set of beliefs.
But God, if it exists (which I believe) isn't man made!

I don't know what you mean by DEFEAT.
Do you mean outnumber?
Do you mean reaching a state where atheists will be able to ban religions?
Do you mean that religions will be driven underground?
Otherwise how do you explain DEFEAT?
And why in 2038?

rio wrote:

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Yes, you are intolerent in the sense that you feel the need to tell me I am wrong and you are right....

I feel no need to tell you that you're wrong. I simply express my own views, as do you.

rio wrote:

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Without afterlife, life itself has no meaning for me. I think that we are more than mere vegetables. I cannot really explain it, but I think that life is just part of a cycle, and that something is waiting beyond death.
If you wait for it to be justified by reason and evidence, fine. But I think you will be waiting for ever whilst I am ready to take a leap of faith and believe in it. That's the difference between an atheist and a believer.
Now, not all believers are suicide bombers!

That is a very defeatist attitude on life. You failed to create your own meaning so you just took something someone else offered, and not a very good one.

ya heba wrote:

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atheists are animals, its to be expected, evolution gives them the right to behave as such.

You obviously failed biology, stupid bítch!

KittenKoder wrote:

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That is a very defeatist attitude on life. You failed to create your own meaning so you just took something someone else offered, and not a very good one.

What do you mean "I failed to create my own meaning"?
I don't think I have dome badly at all in this life, personally, professionally, emotionally, financially, etc...
But the prospect that all is going to end in dust after death isn't very appealling to me. It sounds like a waste.
Well, for some people that may seem alright, not for me.
It doesn't warrant the glorification of human life if it all ends up in decaying cells once death has come. It sounds so material without afterlife; just growing, breeding, consuming, producing and then ...pop... nothing? Just a link in the food chain? Hummm...

Miss Science Geek wrote:

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You obviously failed biology, stupid bítch!

lol. I bet its true!

rio wrote:

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But the prospect that all is going to end in dust after death isn't very appealling to me.

Welcome to the real world. Just think of it, as like the time before we were born. i.e. nothing.

We only have five senses and a human mind. For all one knows, one is a sort of blob that imagines everything. When we are not seeing or otherwise sensing something, perhaps it doesn't exist. In that sense, we cannot 'know' anything. That doesn't mean it is okay to make stuff up (e.g. an afterlife or god/s). Superstition can do great harm. Surely the best thing to do is only believe anything as far as reason and evidence justify the belief and accept what we do not know or understand.

I try to have the courage to change what I can, the serenity to accept what I cannot and the wisdom to know the difference - and the serenity to accept I cannot understand everything in the universe and beyond.

rio wrote:

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What do you mean "I failed to create my own meaning"?
I don't think I have dome badly at all in this life, personally, professionally, emotionally, financially, etc...
But the prospect that all is going to end in dust after death isn't very appealling to me. It sounds like a waste.
Well, for some people that may seem alright, not for me.
It doesn't warrant the glorification of human life if it all ends up in decaying cells once death has come. It sounds so material without afterlife; just growing, breeding, consuming, producing and then ...pop... nothing? Just a link in the food chain? Hummm...

So you are going to waste your life worshiping something just because you really want it to be real, regardless of the lacking evidence or the people you are making very wealthy by doing so.

Those who want their lives to have meaning leave behind a legacy of progress, change for the better, footsteps that no others can fill.

EdSed wrote:

and the serenity to accept I cannot understand everything in the universe and beyond.

You seem to leave the door open to belief here...

Just like if you had doubt in what you say.

I have doubt too, but I feel more comfortable in believing in some sort of surnatural force, God, etc... than to deny its existence.

I have a nice laugh when you rejects have to change your screen name because you got your @ss handed to you so badly.

:)

rio wrote:

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You seem to leave the door open to belief here...
Just like if you had doubt in what you say.
I have doubt too, but I feel more comfortable in believing in some sort of surnatural force, God, etc... than to deny its existence.

KittenKoder wrote:

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So you are going to waste your life worshiping something just because you really want it to be real, regardless of the lacking evidence or the people you are making very wealthy by doing so.
Those who want their lives to have meaning leave behind a legacy of progress, change for the better, footsteps that no others can fill.

Who says I worship,or I make anyone wealthy?
I am no Mormon, or Scientoloogist, or subscribing to an established religion; I just believe in God - period!

Oh, and 5 billions of human beings can all give meaning to their lives on this earth, all at ionce, right?

rio wrote:

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Who says I worship,or I make anyone wealthy?
I am no Mormon, or Scientoloogist, or subscribing to an established religion; I just believe in God - period!
Oh, and 5 billions of human beings can all give meaning to their lives on this earth, all at ionce, right?

English?

There are 8.something billion people, to be more accurate, 5 billion was I believe 1960.

rio wrote:

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You seem to leave the door open to belief here...
Just like if you had doubt in what you say.
I have doubt too, but I feel more comfortable in believing in some sort of surnatural force, God, etc... than to deny its existence.

I'm afraid you seem to me to have trouble comprehending what I wrote.

As many of us feel we must repeat ad nauseum: I don't have any 'beleifs' in the religious sense. Perhaps if you hear it in song?...
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
(Sorry for Jonny's bad language :-)

rio wrote:

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...Just like if you had doubt in what you say....

Doubt in what I say? My mind doesn't work that way.

I only believe anything as far as it is justified by reason and evidence. Surely nobody should believe anything beyond what is justified by reason and evidence? My beliefs therefore change with reasoning and evidence.

For instance, if I had been born over 700 years ago, I might have believed that reason and evidence proved the world was flat. So I would regard the world as being flat as a fact. When I discovered evidence that the world is in fact round(ish), I would change what I believe. I don't just believe there is a god or not according to which makes me feel better.

It isn't a queston of 'doubt in what I say'. I will happily question any or ALL my beliefs, every day. It might not be wise to trust anyone unwilling to question what they believe.

KittenKoder wrote:

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English?
There are 8.something billion people, to be more accurate, 5 billion was I believe 1960.

5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?

Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?

Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.

That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?

EdSed wrote:

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As many of us feel we must repeat ad nauseum: I don't have any 'beleifs' in the religious sense.

I stick to that definition: "Belief is the psychological state in which an individual holds a proposition or premise to be true."

Your affirmation in the non-existence of God IS a belief.
It may not be religious, but it is a philosophical belief.

Atheists often repute the idea that they have a belief, because they equate beliefs with superstition. Fine with me ...

rio wrote:

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5 billions, 8 billions, 10 billions, what's the hell?
Do you think each one of these lives on earth is going to be meaningfull?
Looks like 8 or 10 billions cabbages rotting to oblivion to me if there is no afterlife.
That doesn't give much value to life really, does it?

Since English is not your primary language, I'll try to be nice about your failure to use proper grammar. Each life is as meaningful as that person makes it, it's no more meaningful than that. People make their own meaning and purpose for their life, whether they choose a wish filled cookie cutter one, or you stand up and make a truly meaningful life, it's still your choice. But when you die, unless you make a purpose in life that's for living, your life will be meaningless when you die. No one who focuses on death is ever truly alive.