Motorcycle fatalities rise in Ohio | The Columbus Dispatch

More Ohioans died in motorcycle crashes last year, even though fatalities declined nationally for the second straight year. Full Story
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Since: Apr 11

Bel Air, MD

#85 Apr 23, 2011
Native Alien wrote:
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Wearing a helmet also impedes your hearing and vision. Try driving a car with one on. Not to mention that while the helmet might protect the head, it does nothing to protect the neck or the rest of the body. Just once I would like to see a report that does tell the number of deaths based on the injuries sustained during a crash.
Stricter and stiffer penalties for drivers of other motor vehicles that are involved in motorcycle crashes would also help I believe. When you have people causing the death of another motorist the penalties are much more severe than when that same driver has a incident,( in most cases) with a motorcycle.
What you claim has been proven to be false. Noise levels without a helmet are MUCH higher at highway speeds. Helmets reduce noise levels AND help save a rider's hearing. The noise at 60 mph is over OSHA safety levels without a helmet.

The Schuberth C3 helmet is one of the quietest made. AT 85 mph the interior levels are still under OSHA levels of 85 DB (which is a limit of four hours exposure).

Don't forget the fools and idiots who run straight pipes. The 120 DB noise levels from these can cause permanent hearing loss in minutes. Once again these fools are going to be going deaf and wanting to have the cost of their hearing aids covered under group insurance. Once again they will be penalizing all of us for their stupidity since this raised the rates due to self impairment.

If we had responsible policing in this nation, we'd have the police ticket and keep records of these noise violators so that they would NOT BE ELIGIBLE for aid when they go deaf.

Since: Apr 11

Bel Air, MD

#86 Apr 23, 2011
Ryder wrote:
When every weekend the sun shines hundreds of bikes barhop across the state you are going to get skilled riders doing stupid things.
"Skilled riders" like motorcycle police officers are getting killed, often on their own time riding their own motorcycles. Several police officers riding police motorcycles have been killed on escort duty recently, one with Hilary Clinton's motorcade some time ago. Escorting politicians seem to be particularly hazardous.

Another long time motorcycle officers was killed on his Suzuki in Florida not long ago. Have you ever been hit in the face by a June Bug at 75 mph.. I have. It hit me on the head. If it had hit two inches lower, it would have splattered into my eye and possibly blinded me and could have caused me to wreck.

Had another instance at lower speed. AT 45 mph I had a Yellow Jacket bounced off my nose. He landed on my cheek. I'm allergic to these things. I turned my mirror to watch him as I slowed down. He was stunned. Once he started to move, the crawled up under my glasses, over my open eye (quite uncomfortable) onto my eyebrow and then he flew away. By then I was down to about 20 mph.

I would NEVER ride without a helmet and a full face shield.

Since: Apr 11

Bel Air, MD

#87 Apr 23, 2011
Native Alien wrote:
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The key to your entire post is the probably. Unless an autopsy is done and the actual cause of death is determined, no one will ever know if a helmet would have saved his life. There is also the issue of helmets that are removed at scene, and the ones that come off during the accident. The counts as I understand it, are from the hospitals and they don't know if a helmet was cut off or if a helmet come off in the accident.
I agree that we need better breakdown of the numbers, the types of accidents, if another driver was involved, and the actual injury that caused the fatality.
If helmets are being removed and are not being accounted for, that makes the statistics even more damning. Sometimes a helmet is in the luggage on a motorcycle and might appear to have been in use, this is rare.

Here's a simple test.

Do professional riders wear helmets?
Racers = Yes
Courier = Yes
Motocrossers = Yes
Police = Yes

And why do we have race car riders wearing helmets in their cars... because it saves lives. The death of Ayrton Senna a few years back also resulted in the development of a device to keep the shock of hitting a wall from breaking the drivers neck (Senna was killed by skull penetration which resulted in a rule about broken wheels having to be restrained by cable).

BMW helped develop a device to keep riders from over extending their necks when they fall on their heads. Racers have been the FIRST to use safety equipment and continue to do so.

More US soldiers are killed in automobiles and riding motorcycles than in combat. In combat they have their helmets on.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#88 Apr 23, 2011
How about this?

Insurance companies crack down with horsepower limits on the rockets. Want 200 hp? You'll pay out the wazoo.

No laws needed from our lily livered legislators who tremble at the sight of industry lobbyists.

The insurance companies could take care of it quickly.

Since: Apr 11

Bel Air, MD

#89 Apr 23, 2011
workingdadof7 wrote:
Most accidents involving motorcycles has a common factor. Speed . Most cycles that involve accidents are bullet bikes mixed with speed and careless riders..
That is false. As a matter of fact... the increase in fatalities is coming primarily from Cruiser riders. The death rates from Sport Bikes has remained constant.

Factors in the increased deaths of cruiser riders are oversized engines (1000cc and more) which result in a dramatic rise, and being NEW inexperienced riders.

Riders who have ridden 18 months have far lower death rates. The lowest death rates are among Gold Wing riders. Some of these have air bags to prevent the rider from suffering head injuries when they crash into hard objects head first.

Since: Apr 11

Bel Air, MD

#90 Apr 23, 2011
dean wormer wrote:
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I've ridden 32 year, commuted in NYC, been to AK twice.
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That quiet pipe rationalization is a load.
There are two reported instances where an irate automobilist tried to hit a motorcycle where the noise of the loud exhaust was cited as the reason for it.

Motorcycles are being banned in an increasing number of places. Myrtle Beach, SC is fighting a successful battle to keep motorcyclists who use to rally out of the town.

The state of California is enforcing noise laws against motorcycles while other states are starting to do the same.

Loud motorcycles are damaging the sport. I made this mistake ONCE, and have not repeated it.

Since: Apr 11

Bel Air, MD

#91 Apr 23, 2011
Biggie BC wrote:
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Trying to rationalize the simple use of a helmet with more complex things falls flat.
If I were an insurance company, here's what I would do: You die with your helmet on and we pay a $10,000 bonus to your survivors, assuming the toxicology comes back clean.
Life insurance companies should DENY payouts to those who die without proper safety equipment.. it doesn't work the other way around. It's the Medical industry which is applying hidden and unmentioned surcharges for the $ Million dollar trauma cases.

Perhaps the police should simply "finish off" those with TBA, it would be cheaper all around. They'll NEVER fully recover anyway and some will require life long medical care which, since so many of them are in their 20s, could be 30 years or longer (most with TBA won't lead a full life).

Not only that, we should call motorcyclists what the Emergency Responders call them, "organ donors." At least we should make this mandatory, assuming there is anything left to donate. That could let someone live as partial recompense for someone committing unintended suicide.

Better yet, let's limit engine size to 500cc and make them meet air pollution standards.

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#92 Apr 24, 2011
classicrider wrote:
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Life insurance companies should DENY payouts to those who die without proper safety equipment.. it doesn't work the other way around. It's the Medical industry which is applying hidden and unmentioned surcharges for the $ Million dollar trauma cases.
Perhaps the police should simply "finish off" those with TBA, it would be cheaper all around. They'll NEVER fully recover anyway and some will require life long medical care which, since so many of them are in their 20s, could be 30 years or longer (most with TBA won't lead a full life).
Not only that, we should call motorcyclists what the Emergency Responders call them, "organ donors." At least we should make this mandatory, assuming there is anything left to donate. That could let someone live as partial recompense for someone committing unintended suicide.
Better yet, let's limit engine size to 500cc and make them meet air pollution standards.
The kid who died on a rocket in Mansfield last week donated organs that saved 6 people.

YOur posts are very informative and smart. I appreciate them very much.
JADBIRD

Westerville, OH

#93 May 30, 2011
Erin wrote:
I am a little shocked at how many people on here are bashing the wearing of helmets when they ride. What you are trying to look "cool"? You are all saying you are a great riders, always cautious, etc...but sometimes other people are not good drivers and are not cautious. Would'nt you want to protect yourself any way you can? I guess I just don't understand that's all. If one of you could NICELY explain to me why you would not wear a helmet, I would appreciate it.
Freedom to live life in the pursuit of happiness - If only for a single ride. The open air blowing around, the world destinations just a decision away!

Ride and enjoy!

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