Harley-Davidson needs flexible workers

Part of a company's new business model, the Springettsbury Township motorcycle manufacturing plant is looking to continue filling a pool that will, ideally, contain 300 to 500 "flexible workers," said Michael DiMauro, spokesman. Full Story
FlexWorkers-Yes

Mount Wolf, PA

#21 Mar 3, 2011
Bell wrote:
<quoted text>I just happen to work there and iam telling what i see and hear and why they don't stick around.So think about that.
Well thanks for your observations but for the ones that simply meet or slightly exceed the minimum qualifications I'd be shocked if they will be able to go anywhere else and make close to $16.75 per hour.

Again, if you missed my earlier point, based on the minimum qualifications to get into the program,$16.75 per hour with no bennies is still a whole lot better than minimum wage. But if they don't like it, see if they can find $16.75 per hour somewhere else.
chumlee

Delta, PA

#22 Mar 3, 2011
retiredharley wrote:
I normally don't comment on these sites, but after reading the article about the Kansas City Plant ratifying a new contract with concessions and the comments and this one I can't help but feel hurt, shocked, and heartbroke.
It sounds like Harley has gotten all three of it's manufacturing plants to ratify new contracts with major concessions by using threats and strong arm tactics all the while destroying it's most important asset, it's long term, well trained, dedicated employees.
I know I'm old school, but I could not imagine working for a Harley that didn't care about or trust it's employees and it's employees didn't care about or trust the company.
We WERE family, strong and there for each other. Willie G. would come talk to us and ask us how we were doing, if we needed anything, how our families were, etc. and we would ask him the same. Like one commenter said after the Kansas City article we WOULD have worked for free, if necessary, if Harley was going through hard times all the time knowing that the company would take care of us when times got better. We trusted and respected each other. It was family. It was only 13 years ago!
Now, the other heart stopper is that I read that Harley is starting up a new manufacturing and assembly plant in India. Not just an assembly plant to get around tariffs like in Brazil, but a full blown manufacturinf and assembly plant to supply fully assembled bikes to Europe. That would have been unheard of years ago fot this great AMERICAN icon.
I would say if your family is suffering and you need temporary work to support them or your fresh out of high school or in college and need a temporary job, go for it. I think most people would understand that. Just don't think it will be a long term job because it appears Harley no longer wants or supports long term employees.
It seems like Harley is now run not by real bikers that love and respect the sport but by a bunch of uncaring bean counters that might spend money on new equipment and factories but not for long term employees and benefits. It reminds me of the AMF days when they put a lot of money in new equipment, but pushed a lot of poor quality bkes out the door to loyal customers. We all know how that affected sales and profits.
I think if Harley wanted to actually restructure their company for the long term both sides would go back to the basics of mutual trust and respect. Both sides take the necessary concessions to get the company healthy again and then both sides share in the rewards when they're back on solid profitable ground.
Sorry...but Willie G. has not designed something worth buying in a LONG time. But, you still kiss his ass...that is what is wrong with you dumb fucks. Wake UP and get over it. Harley was trading at $9/share a few years ago and since they began cutting you overpaid dumb asses, their stock has shot up. That is what Wall Street wants...not some soft core biker.
retiredharley

AOL

#23 Mar 3, 2011
FlexWorkers-Yes wrote:
<quoted text>
I am confused, if "We WERE family" why were there strikes and picket lines? You would have worked for free. I recall only 4+ years ago driving down Route 30 watching the workers walk the picket line. Where was the, "trust and respect for each other" then?
Like I said, it was 13-14 years ago.
I don't know all that has happened since then, but it looks like both sides have been unfair when the ball is in their court.
Also, I don't think the other 2 factories have gone on strike and have been able to reach fair labor agreements, but they all had to take the same concessions.

It just appears to have becme a pissing match that in the long run nobody wins.
I'm just saying that both sides have been wrong in their dealings with each other and they really need to try to bury the hatchet and start over to try to regain what was.
It would be best for Harley and ALL the employees if they shared the pain and the glory equally.
retiredharley

AOL

#24 Mar 3, 2011
chumlee wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry...but Willie G. has not designed something worth buying in a LONG time. But, you still kiss his ass...that is what is wrong with you dumb fucks. Wake UP and get over it. Harley was trading at $9/share a few years ago and since they began cutting you overpaid dumb asses, their stock has shot up. That is what Wall Street wants...not some soft core biker.
Yes, almost every corporations stocks fell to that level at that time.
I also agree that the stockholders look at the profits, which can be increased very rapidly by cutting jobs, selling assets, consolidation, etc. But, it can hurt a company in the long term after a recession ends and sales increase, if it isn't watched and managed correctly, especially a company's greatest and most important asset, its workers.
You are entitled to your opinion about the bikes, but it appears they were still selling at record profit rates, until the economy tanked.

It's a shame you have to use such language when commenting. It doesn't say much for your intelligence or self worth. That's just my opinion.
FlexWorkers-Yes

Mount Wolf, PA

#25 Mar 3, 2011
retiredharley wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I said, it was 13-14 years ago.
I don't know all that has happened since then, but it looks like both sides have been unfair when the ball is in their court.
Also, I don't think the other 2 factories have gone on strike and have been able to reach fair labor agreements, but they all had to take the same concessions.
It just appears to have becme a pissing match that in the long run nobody wins.
I'm just saying that both sides have been wrong in their dealings with each other and they really need to try to bury the hatchet and start over to try to regain what was.
It would be best for Harley and ALL the employees if they shared the pain and the glory equally.
I respect that. Read my first post on this subject, I am no supporter of corporate (white collar) greed nor am I a supporter of blue collar greed. Having said that again, I figure you were part of the union 13+ years ago and for you to admit that over time BOTH sides are/were wrong is commendable.

Just remember, regardless of the side of the fence they sit on not all people are as fair or commendable as you appear to be and my issue would be with those.
hogdog

Spring Grove, PA

#26 Mar 4, 2011
"Flexible worker", no matter how you dress it up or candy coat the term,
a SCAB is still a g***amn SCAB!
FlexWorkers-Yes

York, PA

#27 Mar 4, 2011
hogdog wrote:
"Flexible worker", no matter how you dress it up or candy coat the term,
a SCAB is still a g***amn SCAB!
And this attitude is why many of your fellow workers who were making $22 -$30+ per hour with no formal post high school education and for a manufacturing job in York, PA (not NYC, NY) are now out of work (@ Harley). You would not listen to reason and look around at other wages / benefits of manufacturing employees in York. Instead you displayed the same greedy attitude that you would accuse management of having and went on strike not more than 3 to 4+ years ago. Greedy is greedy whether it is white collar or blue collar.

So how does your foot feel, because you shot yourself in it.
George

Washington, DC

#28 Mar 4, 2011
hogdog wrote:
"Flexible worker", no matter how you dress it up or candy coat the term,
a SCAB is still a g***amn SCAB!
And how many of thse scabs are former harley union workers?????

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#29 Mar 5, 2011
George wrote:
<quoted text>And how many of thse scabs are former harley union workers?????
None. Harley won't hire them back.
Cos 1 HD

York, PA

#30 Mar 5, 2011
DFBHD wrote:
<quoted text>
None. Harley won't hire them back.
OH, Yes they did hire them back at 16.75 an hour.That is what Harley wants.
They take your resume
hire you back at 16.75 Hr.
No vacations at all
no health benefits
they take union dues out

PRICELESS? NO!!!

ITS CALLED CORPORATE GREED!!!
Cos 1 HD

York, PA

#31 Mar 5, 2011
FlexWorkers-Yes wrote:
<quoted text>
And this attitude is why many of your fellow workers who were making $22 -$30+ per hour with no formal post high school education and for a manufacturing job in York, PA (not NYC, NY) are now out of work (@ Harley). You would not listen to reason and look around at other wages / benefits of manufacturing employees in York. Instead you displayed the same greedy attitude that you would accuse management of having and went on strike not more than 3 to 4+ years ago. Greedy is greedy whether it is white collar or blue collar.
So how does your foot feel, because you shot yourself in it.
Ok "Wait till your place of employment hires Mr clean up guy (Wandell) To clean house on the employees, pay and so on and see if you still have the same disposition afterwards. You might just stuck your foot in your mouth!!! And for Wandell cleaning house for the first 8 months of being at Harley, can you say 6.4 million. No HUMAN BEING is worth that much money!!! And your bitching that we make 25.00 to 30.00 an hour. You have got to bewarped in the head!!!
Just Saying

York, PA

#32 Mar 5, 2011
Ben wrote:
WANTED! FLEXIBLE WOMAN. Must have a high school "degree", blonde hair, all her teeth, and be able to mount a fire hydrant. Call Ben Dover at Harley, ext.069
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are....
FlexWorkers-Yes

Mount Wolf, PA

#33 Mar 5, 2011
Cos 1 HD wrote:
<quoted text> Ok "Wait till your place of employment hires Mr clean up guy (Wandell) To clean house on the employees, pay and so on and see if you still have the same disposition afterwards. You might just stuck your foot in your mouth!!! And for Wandell cleaning house for the first 8 months of being at Harley, can you say 6.4 million. No HUMAN BEING is worth that much money!!! And your bitching that we make 25.00 to 30.00 an hour. You have got to bewarped in the head!!!
\

"Wait till your place of employment hires Mr clean up guy (Wandell) To clean house on the employees..." Just goes to show you how uneducated you are. I have skills/qualifications and education that I have earned and are mine regardless of my current job. Therefore if Mr. Clean comes and cleans house at my current job, no problem I will take my education and skill set and find another employer making a similar amount of money.

You and many of your former union co-workers at Harley had no such education / skill set. The only skill set you had was more than likely from "on the job training". And because you could not see this and see that at the time you were earning way more than other manufacturing jobs in York, PA you still chose to go on strike 4+ years ago. And in the end, since IN REALITY your skill set does not demand the kind of $$ you were making at Harley you and your former co-workers lost.

I suppose all boiled down, if you and your former union co-workers were truly worth $22 -$30+ an hour, when you lost your job at Harley you should have been able to go to any manufacturing company in York and make that kind of hourly rate. Since you could not, clearly you were overpaid. Again, blue collar greed is just as bad as white collar greed.
Cos 1 HD

York, PA

#34 Mar 5, 2011
FlexWorkers-Yes wrote:
<quoted text>\
"Wait till your place of employment hires Mr clean up guy (Wandell) To clean house on the employees..." Just goes to show you how uneducated you are. I have skills/qualifications and education that I have earned and are mine regardless of my current job. Therefore if Mr. Clean comes and cleans house at my current job, no problem I will take my education and skill set and find another employer making a similar amount of money.
You and many of your former union co-workers at Harley had no such education / skill set. The only skill set you had was more than likely from "on the job training". And because you could not see this and see that at the time you were earning way more than other manufacturing jobs in York, PA you still chose to go on strike 4+ years ago. And in the end, since IN REALITY your skill set does not demand the kind of $$ you were making at Harley you and your former co-workers lost.
I suppose all boiled down, if you and your former union co-workers were truly worth $22 -$30+ an hour, when you lost your job at Harley you should have been able to go to any manufacturing company in York and make that kind of hourly rate. Since you could not, clearly you were overpaid. Again, blue collar greed is just as bad as white collar greed.
Feel better now since you let it out. And you say uneducated?I have also skills/qualifications and education sir so stop your barking. I STILL HAVE MY JOB AT HARLEY DAVIDSON, SIR. What an arrogant son of a B........
FlexWorkers-Yes

Mount Wolf, PA

#35 Mar 5, 2011
Cos 1 HD wrote:
<quoted text>Feel better now since you let it out. And you say uneducated?I have also skills/qualifications and education sir so stop your barking. I STILL HAVE MY JOB AT HARLEY DAVIDSON, SIR. What an arrogant son of a B........
Great for you then but many of your fellow brothers/sisters, who do not have the skills/qualifications and education that you claim to have, in the union were no so foruntate were they. Again sir, I am not saying anything that is not fact. If you (ie: union production workers) were not OVERPAID then any one of your brothers/sisters in the union who lost their job at Harley should have had no problem replacing the exact income at another manufacturing plant in York. Did they, I think not!!
Cos 1 HD

York, PA

#36 Mar 5, 2011
FlexWorkers-Yes wrote:
<quoted text>
Great for you then but many of your fellow brothers/sisters, who do not have the skills/qualifications and education that you claim to have, in the union were no so foruntate were they. Again sir, I am not saying anything that is not fact. If you (ie: union production workers) were not OVERPAID then any one of your brothers/sisters in the union who lost their job at Harley should have had no problem replacing the exact income at another manufacturing plant in York. Did they, I think not!!
Feel good? Great!!! Now please Get over yourself. I am so done.
loo

Delta, PA

#37 Mar 5, 2011
The CEO was hired by a board of directors and if I remember correctly, there were quite a few of the "good ole boys" in HD management that felt they deserved the right to be CEO but the board demoted them or fired them and hired Wandell. Why??? Because the board wanted change. The CEO was able to change the labor cost structure of all the locations and in return, the stock of HD has gone from $9/share to about $45/share.
In the eyes of the shareholders and the board of directors, Wandell is worth every penny of his salary. What about the 34 members of the IAM union who each make over $200,000? Can you tell me what your union has done in the past year to earn their keep? Talk about GREED! At least the CEO of Harley has a plan and has executed it. What plan does the IAM have and is it being executed. I didn't think so.
hdmilwaukee

Milwaukee, WI

#38 Mar 6, 2011
loo wrote:
The CEO was hired by a board of directors and if I remember correctly, there were quite a few of the "good ole boys" in HD management that felt they deserved the right to be CEO but the board demoted them or fired them and hired Wandell. Why??? Because the board wanted change. The CEO was able to change the labor cost structure of all the locations and in return, the stock of HD has gone from $9/share to about $45/share.
In the eyes of the shareholders and the board of directors, Wandell is worth every penny of his salary. What about the 34 members of the IAM union who each make over $200,000? Can you tell me what your union has done in the past year to earn their keep? Talk about GREED! At least the CEO of Harley has a plan and has executed it. What plan does the IAM have and is it being executed. I didn't think so.
Your facts suck! Nobody in the union made 200,000.00 You couldn't do that if you worked everyday 12 hours a day. Also the DOW was around 6000 when harley was $9 the DOW is over 12000 today, all the stocks recovered. Wandell was greatly rewarded for the change you talk about But, time will tell the whole story give it a couple more years to see if this is for the better of the company. Now If the DOW goes down will Wandell take the credit for that too? I think his salary, bonus and stock options will still be great no matter what the company's stock value is!
Loo

Delta, PA

#39 Mar 6, 2011
I stand by my facts...

Dow has doubled but Harley stock has increased 5x.

Also:

Union: International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers
Membership: 613,000
Assets:$147 million
IAM, which grew out of a secret meeting of 19 machinists in a Georgia rail yard in 1888, represents machinists and aerospace workers in over 200 industries. At the unionís Maryland headquarters near Washington, 34 officers and employees earn over $200,000 in salary and benefits. Robert Buffenbarger, who became president in 1997, received $284,975. Over the past two years, the IAM donated $1.98 million to Democratic candidates and $34,000 to Republicans. Popularly known as the machinists union, IAM is affiliated with the AFL-CIO.† Its membership jumped in the 1950s and 1960s with the growth of the airlines and aerospace industries. More than 1 million belonged to the union in 1968. In the early 1970s, membership began declining, a change the union blames on layoffs in the defense industry.
Cos 1 HD

York, PA

#40 Mar 7, 2011
An American Icon? Just think. we are building
lock stock and barrel over in INDIA now. What happened to the American Icon. We are having trouble with our sub assembly that has been outsource.The Davidson Brothers are rolling around in their graves. So sad. Also, Victory Bikes are also going to built in INDIA. WTF

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