Why fans shouldn't forgive Armstrong

Jun 16, 2012 Full story: CNN 29

The United States Anti-Doping Agency is set to bring formal charges against Lance Armstong, a seven-time Tour de France champion.

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craneman

Albany, GA

#1 Jun 16, 2012
Nothing to forgive and you are a idiot with no life. With a problem with a guy that rides a bike. Does the US not have any thing better at this moment in time to waste money on.
Ironman1

Bradenton, FL

#2 Jun 16, 2012
I would like to see the panel of the USDA. These jackasses probably don't have a lick of athletic ability and all were most likely picked last in kick ball. Get a life weak people. Go use your drug expertise where it matters. Everyone testifying against should fall on a sword. You were caught, big deal, that doesn't give you the right to throw someone else under the bus to save your own ass. Take your defeat like a man.
Cyclingfan

San Francisco, CA

#4 Jul 8, 2012
USDA is doing the right thing, Lance cheated and should be porsecuted.
rkingston

Long Beach, CA

#5 Jul 9, 2012
The guy never failed a drug test. So the US government gets to hound you for the rest of your life? Sounds like the IRS. I'll bet none of the people in this agency has ever watched a Tour stage. He'll go poor defending himself. The accuser stand to make more money. sound familiar? How many lawyers in the US government? Not counting Barack of course.
pittyparty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#6 Jul 10, 2012
craneman wrote:
Nothing to forgive and you are a idiot with no life. With a problem with a guy that rides a bike. Does the US not have any thing better at this moment in time to waste money on.
This is not the US government going after Armstrong on criminal charges. This is the US Anti Doping Agency. There are no criminal penalties just sanctions and penalties for the athlete or those who break the rules. There are too many people associated with Armstrong including support staff and teamates that keep getting nailed for participating in the use of banned substances.

Others should be so lucky. If Armstrong and crew WEREN'T part of the US cycling team they would be considered illegal drug smugglers in many countries.
Cyclingfan

San Francisco, CA

#7 Jul 10, 2012
The key words are "preponderance of evidence".
HappyAmateur

Bridgend, UK

#8 Jul 13, 2012
Having had one "colourful" rider beat me on a few occassions, way back in the day, taking money, prestige and career advancement from me I'm now pretty glad not to have made the grade given what we now know would have been involved.
I'm just glad to see the interests of all those clean riders out there being considered.
Wonder how many shoplifters get caught v's the number that shoplift? Following the "leave them alone" logic means we should give up chasing the thieves and cheats in our society and accept that we straight players pay more and more as consumers and participants.
Doping in sport is a reflection of society at large .... perhaps when enough straight players say enough is enough the pendulum will swing back the other way.
To all you doping apologists - would you accept a co-worked plagiarizing your work and getting a bonus on the back of it ...? Maybe that helps to understand the frustration that clean athletes feel.
LJJ

Jupiter, FL

#9 Jul 14, 2012
HappyAmateur wrote:
Having had one "colourful" rider beat me on a few occassions, way back in the day, taking money, prestige and career advancement from me I'm now pretty glad not to have made the grade given what we now know would have been involved.
I'm just glad to see the interests of all those clean riders out there being considered.
Wonder how many shoplifters get caught v's the number that shoplift? Following the "leave them alone" logic means we should give up chasing the thieves and cheats in our society and accept that we straight players pay more and more as consumers and participants.
Doping in sport is a reflection of society at large .... perhaps when enough straight players say enough is enough the pendulum will swing back the other way.
To all you doping apologists - would you accept a co-worked plagiarizing your work and getting a bonus on the back of it ...? Maybe that helps to understand the frustration that clean athletes feel.
I agree with you so don't take this the wrong way, and if you doubt I don't agree read what I have written in answer to the " what should Lance do" question HOWEVER, having been a person once falsely accused of something we should also always proceed with caution and wade through all the facts because it sure is horrible when one is innocent and falsely accused. Most terrible feeling ever--and, not much control unless people are very good
at their judgmental accusatory jobs= I was lucky!! Still, you are right....IF it is for SURE a guilty person they must be stopped on behalf of the innocent!
Laurent

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#10 Jul 15, 2012
To all the defender of Lance , you must understand the war agains doping do not stop at the only drug test result , imagine juste substance who can't be see in test or false the test ,,imagine staff of scientific and doctor getting for only job find new way to cheat , I know I know poeple r mean , as soon they see you in bed with the wife of your best friend they start getting suspicion :) but your inocent of course ! You only see the bed and 2 poeple in ,nothing else , all the witness lie of course .:)
turtle

Huddersfield, UK

#11 Jul 17, 2012
i would forgive armstrong if he just stopped using lawyers and attacking fellow friends and associates with such awful malice and spite, and finally admitted his guilt. If he trys the same on George as he has on many others then enough will be enough and i will turn my back on him for good!
Enjoy cycling

Los Angeles, CA

#12 Jul 17, 2012
Lance has been patriotic and fully supportive of the USA. He's brought in more fans and money to the sport that any other cyclist in the entire history of bicycle racing.
So his country wants to disgrace his name and ruin his image in return.
cycleciro

United States

#13 Jul 18, 2012
Cyclingfan wrote:
USDA is doing the right thing, Lance cheated and should be porsecuted.
Your an idiot like the USADA with nothing to stand on but speculation from what the media and jealous losers have said.
Justice

Calgary, Canada

#14 Aug 19, 2012
Great Article. Unfortunately, a rarity in it's accuracy. Anyone who still thinks Lance is anything other than a cheater, a fraud, and completely without morals, is in complete denial. Lance fans need to take their head out or their butts and realize Armstrong is a total loser.
Also, Lance cancer activist, and Lance the cyclist are two seperate things. What he has done for cancer is admirable. what he has done for cycling, and sport in general, is dispicable. One does not change the other. His cheating does not negate the good he has done for Cancer. And the good things he has done for Cancer does not change the fact that he is a fraudulent poser in sport.
You get to chose though, which Armstrong you ant to remember.
craneman wrote:
Nothing to forgive and you are a idiot with no life. With a problem with a guy that rides a bike. Does the US not have any thing better at this moment in time to waste money on.
skicoach

Diémoz, France

#15 Aug 19, 2012
Justice wrote:
Great Article. Unfortunately, a rarity in it's accuracy. Anyone who still thinks Lance is anything other than a cheater, a fraud, and completely without morals, is in complete denial. Lance fans need to take their head out or their butts and realize Armstrong is a total loser.
Also, Lance cancer activist, and Lance the cyclist are two seperate things. What he has done for cancer is admirable. what he has done for cycling, and sport in general, is dispicable. One does not change the other. His cheating does not negate the good he has done for Cancer. And the good things he has done for Cancer does not change the fact that he is a fraudulent poser in sport.
You get to chose though, which Armstrong you ant to remember.
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Total nonsense! You happen to be a pedophile and low life. We will call you a pedophile and you will accept that - no need to defend yourself because in your tiny mind presumption of innocence doesn't matter. Total buffoon and ignoramus!
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#16 Aug 24, 2012
I will never forgive or forget the USADA. A thoroughly discredited organisation.

Well done Lance Armstrong.
http://lancearmstrong.com/contact

Now you can concentrate on all the good work you do without the distraction of those USADA dimwits.
Naren

Sydney, Australia

#18 Aug 24, 2012
Just to clarify the facts.
Don’t confuse this investigation with a criminal trial; the ideals of ‘presumption of innocence’ and ‘beyond reasonable doubt’ have no place in an entirely civil investigation run by a private body for a private competition. The body running the competition (International Cycling Union) is the ultimate authority; and the USADA have no right to strip Lance’s titles without their permission. However, the ICU has signed a memorandum declaring its cooperation with findings made by national cycling bodies. The ICU is yet to release a statement regarding its position on Lance. Lance will sue in a U.S civil court if the USADA attempt to strip him of his titles. The USADA will then have to provide solid proof that Armstrong is guilty. Sources will have to be revealed and testimony by hearsay will not be admitted. Their evidence will have to be strong enough to overturn the weight of hundreds of drug tests Lance has tested negative to; which is very unlikely.
In the end, Lance will prevail because he is a winner and the USADA will have to sign a huge ass cheque for defamation of character.
Big Picture

Winfield, Canada

#19 Aug 24, 2012
Lance claims to have passed every test administered. USADA claims this is not true and that they have evidence to support their claim. If USADA is correct follow the bread crumbs. They just might lead to Hein Verbruggen,the UCI and a massive cover-up of an unimaginable scale.
Swim my

Ireland

#20 Aug 24, 2012
I can't believe how rude people are to each other just because they have a difference of opinion! Some people think he is guilty and others don't, that's fine. However I don't believe this so called hero of cycling who is so determined and dedicated coming back to win the tour 7 times is now suddenly just going to give up and accept an unjust verdict! My guess is he knows the game is up and doesn't want the full details to come out so the general public are left wondering. I think he is a very shrewd operator who has won over the hearts and minds of a lot of folks. He is a fantastic athlete, I agree but ultimately he looked around, saw others doping and didn't want to be left behind! Lots of people will disagree with me and you are entitled to your opinion.
Riddler

Benson, NC

#21 Aug 25, 2012
- Guilt was not proven
- Witnesses are far less than credible
- coincidentally, The same day this released, Feds dropped fraud charges against Floyd Landis. who was actually proven a doper and committed a fraud that yielded $1M+
- Just because Armstrong gave up his fight does not mean that Due Process was ever granted to Armstrong. because if it were, the USADA would be a policing agency only. They otherwise have the power to police, prosecute, judge/jury, and execute sentencing. Fascist ideology at best

- If this were you, you would want to be sentennced upon actual proof, not absolute power wielded by a committee with opinions only.
-If it were you, you would want credible witnesses to decide your fate, not those who are guilty, and have everything to gain by throwing you under the bus. If we couldn't believe them when they were guilty and caught in the first place, why should we believe them when they face charges like fraud and the Feds will drop those charges if they give someone up? Maybe they will give you up too if it helps their cause.

For me this is not about Armstrong's innocence or guilt, it is about requiring government agencies providing proof and not being allowed to practice Fascism in the USA.
Dino

Lexington, KY

#22 Aug 25, 2012
I can understand winning the Tour de France 1 time, but 7, 1 time was enough, then cheat to win 6 more. Lance is a LOSER.

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