The Pseudomacedonian March over Rubicon

The Pseudomacedonian March over Rubicon

There are 43 comments on the story from Jan 10, 2012, titled The Pseudomacedonian March over Rubicon. In it, reports that:

As the historicist political line of VMRO-DPMNE led by Gruevski to a large extent exhausted its possibility to be a credible cohesive force of Pseudomacedonian nationalism, it seems that the party takes a new line, which in essence means expansion of psychological propaganda. Much to the detriment and loss of credibility of historiography and related disciplines, yesterday's annual recapitulation of achievements in archaeological excavations during the entire 2011 on the soil of the FYROM, was purely an event of imposition of the political will of Nikola Gruevski upon the country's academic community, which is the last nail in the coffin after gestures such as renaming cities and airports, erecting statues and neoclassical buildings thematically drawn from Greek history, culture and symbolism were repated ad nauseam and in playback mode....

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#44 Jan 13, 2012
Rosetta stone wrote:
What is a real solution to the end of the monopolization of the name is that neither country, neither Greece nor FYROM, have the word Macedonia as a constituent of their national name, ethnic identity, etc. After all the Greeks have the upper hand since the Macedonians of Greece continue to speak the language of the ancient Macedonians, maintain some of their customs, many of the original Macedonian names of the land, live in most of what was in ancient times considered Macedonia, have a good continuity with an administrative province called Macedonia since ancient times, part of the Roman and Byzantine empires that used the Greek language as both the official and popular language almost at all times. Therefore, if the Greek state is not going to have the word Macedonia in its name, it is quite clear that in no case should another state have it in its name either to avoid monopolization.

There remains the issue of what the name of the country should be if neither country should use the word Macedonia in its name. There is no record whatsoever of a Slavic Macedonia until 1945. However, the inhabitants of that country in 1945 had ancestors. Their ancestors must have had names describing their ethnic groups, tribes, etc, whether Albanian, Slavic or other. These names were certainly not Greek, for example the name Macedonian could have not been one of them. There are countless records of the Albanian Gheg group and of the Slavic Sklavini, the Scordici, the Bulgars or Bugari and the Slavonic tradition. In addition to the Slavs and Albanians, there lived in the country groups whose languages have been forgotten although placenames such as Field of Mustafa or Kumanovo remind us of their presence. Still before those, there were the ancient Paeonians, Agrianes and Dardanians but never the Macedonians. Experts in the field can no doubt unearth additional tribal names, Albanian, Slavic and other affiliated with the history of the people of the FYROM.

There are, moreover, many regional names given to that part of the Balkans in older European maps such as

Uskup – the name of an Ottoman province that included much of the area of FYROM in an 1830 map of Turkey in Europe by Sidney Hall, published in London by Longman, Rees, Orme, Brown and Green

Ghiustendil – another province that included part of modern FYROM from the same map of Turkey in Europe by Sidney Hall but also found in another map from 1830 by the Society for the Diffusion of Useful Knowledge (Great Britain) published in London by Chapman and Hall.

Servia – perhaps South Serbia as known briefly after the Balkan Wars, as shown in a map titled “A general map of Turkey in Europe, Hungary &c.” by Herman Moll published in London by Thos. Bowles and John Bowles in 1732.

Kosova – perhaps South Kosova, from a Turkish map of the Ottoman period

Bulgaria – perhaps West Bulgaria, from a map of Greece by Cantelli de Vignola from 1689.

Topliza – from a 1581 map by Abraham Ortelius, Graeciae Universae Secundum Hodiernum Situm Neoterica Description

With such abundant historical and geographical resources, choosing a name for the country would be a case of being spoilt for choice. The FYROM government has signed an international Agreement to adopt a name that would not offend Greece. It is obviously quite unnecessary to adopt for the country a new name from the Greek language, that of the Macedonians, especially if they truly wish to convince the world that they respect and wish to promote their Slavic and Albanian languages and their ethnic identities.

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#45 Jan 13, 2012
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Is very clear that Fyrom is pseudomacedonian!


#47 Jan 14, 2012
Makedon Hellas wrote:
All claims of FYROMorons country, Skopje, is a lie.
No more lies and propaganda!
Just read the reasons below that many thousands of people in Skopje believe that Macedonia is Greek:
1. The New York Times advertisement of 4/26/92 says, "4000 years of Greek History, 4000 years of Greek Culture, 4000 years of Greek Heritage... Skopje's government seeking recognition as the 'Republic of Macedonia' perpetuates a fraud." Pamphlets distributed in churches stated, "Macedonia has been Greek for 3,000 years. In ancient times Macedonians spoke Greek, worshipped Greek gods, expressed their creativity through Greek art and maintained a refined Greek culture ... all archaeological discoveries continue to unearth more information attesting to the indisputable Greekness of Macedonia."
2. "Out of the blue, in 1944, the Yugoslav communist leader, Tito, wishing to weaken Serbia on the one hand, and set the footing for future territorial claims against Greece on the other, schemingly gave South Serbia the Greek name 'Macedonia' and re-wrote the 'history' books to declare that ancient Macedonia was Slavic and that these people were descendants of Alexander the Great."
3. "The existence of a 'Slav' Macedonia could never be, and indeed, has never been supported either by historical data, or by ethnographic maps, or by statistics, or by some census, or by archaeological finds, or by even an obscure mention of such a nation from antiquity till today."
4. "Macedonia has been the name of Northern Greece for more than 3000 years. The Greek region ... has one of the most homogeneous populations in the world (98.5% Greek). Its population speaks Greek, feels Greek, is Greek."
5. "An independent 'Macedonia' would monopolize the name at the expense of the real Macedonians who are twice the number of the Slavs. The use and abuse of the name would cause widespread confusion as is already apparent."
6. "Macedonia is an indispensable part of Greece's historical heritage it cannot identify, in an ethnic sense another nation."
7. "The Skopje 'language' is undeniably Slavic."
8. "The Slavs did not set foot in the Balkans until 1000 years after Alexander the Great."
9. "The name 'Macedonia (which is etymologically Greek) was in use at least 1500 years before the arrival of the first Slavs."
10. "Every known Macedonian town, river and person had a Greek name – Philip (lover of horse), Alexander (protector of men), Archelaus (leader of people), Amyntas (defender), Ptolemy (warlike), Bucephalus (ox-head)."
11. "The Old Testament (Daniel Ch. 8) and the New Testament (Acts Ch. 17) confirm the Greekness of Alexander and the Macedonians."
12. "It was the Greek language that was taken to Asia (Bible written in Greek) and cities with Greek names and institutions that were founded."
13. "There are 60,000 archaeological finds that confirm that the Macedonians were Greek in language, culture and religion."
14. "The home of the Greek gods was in Macedonia. Is it feasible that a people would worship its national gods in a foreign country?"
15. " Yugoslav Macedonia is not even geographically in the territory occupied by ancient Macedonia."
Skopje has nothing to do with MACEDONIA. Their true origins are Bulgarian with Albanian, Greek and Gypsies minorities.

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