Macedonian names and makeDonski pseudo-linguistics: The case of the name Zaika

The modern Makedonski Sloveni, the self-proclaimed "ethnic Macedonians", have absolutely no linguistic or historical relation to the ancient Greek Macedonians, or the Thracians and Paionians of Macedonia proper. They inhabit a sizeable part of the land that used to be ancient Paionia, and only tiny parts of ancient Macedonia and ancient Thrace. Misnaming what is now the Former Yugoslav Republic of Makedonija as "Macedonia" might have made sense at some point, from the perspective of the advancement of Tito´s Yugoslav expansionist dreams.

[United Macedonians]

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Macedonian names and makeDonski pseudo-linguistics: The case of the name Zaika
Miltiades Elia Bolaris

The modern Makedonski Sloveni, the self-proclaimed "ethnic Macedonians" have absolutely no linguistic or historical relation to the ancient Greek Macedonians, or the Thracians and Paionians of Macedonia proper. They inhabit a sizeable part of the land that used to be ancient Paionia, and only tiny parts of ancient Macedonia and ancient Thrace. Misnaming what is now the Former Yugoslav Republic of Makedonija as "Macedonia" might have made sense at some point, from the perspective of the advancement of Tito´s Yugoslav expansionist dreams. These dreams included the creation of a Titoist fiefdom from the Adriatic to the Aegean sea and to the shores of the Black Sea. The hope, of course, was to incorporate not only northern Greece but the whole of Bulgaria too, and extend this Balkan Mega-Sclavenia to the Black sea. This did not see the light of day, due to the Stalin-Tito break, or possibly, Tito´s demands may have caused it. These considerations, dating back to the 1940´s and 1950´s have no basis on either geography or history and never had any. Jugoslavija, instead of usurping the rest of the Balkan Peninsula, Greek Macedonia and Bulgaria included, ended up breaking up itself, exploding in flames and genocide during the 1990´s.

This process is still painfully with us until now, simmering in Kosovo, Bosnia-Herzegovina and FYROmacedonia. It is in all these areas that short-sighted Euro-American interests imposed temporary solutions that sought to create mini-Yugoslavias or Mini-Albanias or mini-Afghanistans in the middle of the proverbial Balkan powder keg. None of them has any long term future, not under their respective leaderships anyway and not the way they have been formed and imposed upon the locals, fermenting oceans of ethnic hatred in the process. These ethnic morphemes are all accidents waiting to happen. It is only a matter of when and how, not a question of if.

This is how music composer and song-writer Dionysis Savopoulos prophetically put it in the song Ballos, back in the early 1970´s: This is the Balkans… this is not a play-and-laugh field! For the international community to be tolerating, nay, encourage Skopjan irredentism and extreme ultra-nationalism that borderlines fascism and fringe political lunacy, like the policies of the governing VMRO party of prime minister Nikola Gruevski/Н&#1080 ;ко&#1 083;а Гр&#10 91;ев& #1089;ки, and all this in a country that for all practical purposes is nothing but a microcosm of Yugoslavia is utterly incomprehensible to the locals. One of the reasons, besides flawed and idiotically near-sighted geopolitics (of the type that led the US into quagmires in Iraq, or Vietnam and now Afghanistan) that Globomagicians-in-training from Washington, London and Brussels are gleefully playing with matches in the midst of the Balkan powder keg is simple: it is not their own backyard! Greeks, Bulgarians and Serbs want none of that and they view the likes of Nikola Gruevski and his VMRO political goons as dangerous left-overs from ages past.

[United Macedonians]

Brilliant article from Bolaris. Once again excelled himself in some interesting etymologies, of the name kynegos and the surname Lagos for example. Lagos is still found as a Greek surname. Excellent analyses of the epigraphic evidence, even the Thracian and Paeonian examples. One wishes those in Brussels and New York can understand and appreciate even half of what he writes here.

[real78]

We all know scupis and what they do. No surprise.

Soon they will claim city of the dead is macedonoskis lol

[Damianos]

STORI, FLIPO, where are you???

Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

[lilalo]

Thank you for the article very interesting,as usual.
May I add that the greek surname 'Lagos' can be found still today in EVOEA island,,which was the homeplace of the Achileas' descendants the Lagides who ,like the Ptolemeans ruled over Egypt after the death of Alexander.
Just a comment...

[real78]

Damianos wrote:

STORI, FLIPO, where are you???
Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Hes writing one. Just wait.

[United Macedonians]

From the same brilliant article:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/vie...

Macedonian names and makeDonski pseudo-linguistics: The case of the name Zaika

by Miltiades Elia Bolaris

To bring this home, and to see how Greeks, Bulgarians, and Serbs view the neo-Ottoman-Great Turkish, Kosovarian-Great Albanian and Skopjan-Antico-Slavomakedonci dreams of Grandeur and land annexation, is to ponder at an analogy: how would the US government and the American people react to any talk of Mexican irredentism, vis-à-vis California, Texas and New Mexico, to name a few states, that some hotheaded Politicos in Mexico city would demand to carve away from the USA and annex to Mexico?

It does not sound good, now, does it? This is, unfortunately the raison d'être behind professor Donski´s laughable theories. They are a medley of nonsense in support of a false and utterly imaginary ethnogennesis, trying to prove that somehow, the Slavs of FYROM are the direct descendents of the Greek-speaking ancient Macedonians, and therefore, Greeks, who have a historically and archaeologically proven presence of four thousand years in Macedonia, should be considered invaders that need to be thrown into the Aegean sea. When you play with history, history has a way to get its revenge. The archaeological and epigraphic record always comes to our rescue and proves professor Donski (and all his fellow propagandists in Skopje) wrong. All they are left with is folk etymology, invented pseudo-history and bogus science.

The limits of folk etymology are very narrow and they rarely hit the mark. Pulling a proverbial rabbit out of a Jugoslavic hat, is not as easy as it seems at first, as it is amply illustrated by our point in case: a counterfeit identity is not going to make a Sloveno-Makedonka out of an ancient Thracian girl. Zaika/Ζά ϊκα , our Thracian girl is as closely related to Zajak/Заja к the rabbit as the girl with the fluffy bunny ears, shown at the beginning of this article, is.

Pretending is not the same as being: PRETENDING to be a Macedonian does not make you an "ethnic" Macedonian. Skopje´s propaganda machine has been tirelessly at work, since 1944, trying to bolster an unsustainable national cohesion (and to avoid Yugoslavia´s fate of dissolution) through an officially-sanctioned pseudo-Macedonian forged ethnic identity. Reality has a way of getting back to those who disregard it. A person that escapes his own reality ends up with a split personality (clinically diagnosed as Dissociative Identity Disorder-DID). Tragic as it is for a person, it can be devastating when applied to a whole population by a repressive state apparatus that "knows best", as it happened with Tito´s former Yugoslav Republic of Makedonija. The permanent identity crisis that has plagued this mini state from its inception has spilled over, creating problems of ethnic tension, hatred and irredentist passions for everyone else in this volatile Balkan neighborhood. This obvious clash with reality has created a national obsession with identity-searching within the majority of the population in FYROM: a Torbeshi (Bulgarian-speaking Muslim Slav) thinks he is a Turk, a Vlach Greek thinks he is a Slav and a Slav thinks he is a Macedonian Greek (though violently refuses to accept that the Hellenism of the Macedonians). More often than not, the pseudo-Makedonist state propaganda´s version of ethnic reality transcends into the realm of the bizarre and the surreal crosses over and establishes itself well within the borders of the outright ludicrous, ending up with such national-identity-bolstering gems like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup...

[Human rights]

Pseudo-scientific lies.

Quote from the article:

"Macedonia, the geographic area, is first and foremost inhabited by Greeks, secondly by Slavs, thirdly by Albanians, fourthly by Bilingual Vlachs, then by Roma-Gypsies, Jews, Turks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc. Not one of these nationalities should have the right to usurp the general geographic determinant name for themselves."

Yet the Greeks want to usurp the name for themselves and prohibit anyone else from using it? Only they can use it?!

[PAOKARA]

Human rights wrote:

Pseudo-scientific lies.
Quote from the article:
"Macedonia, the geographic area, is first and foremost inhabited by Greeks, secondly by Slavs, thirdly by Albanians, fourthly by Bilingual Vlachs, then by Roma-Gypsies, Jews, Turks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc. Not one of these nationalities should have the right to usurp the general geographic determinant name for themselves."
Yet the Greeks want to usurp the name for themselves and prohibit anyone else from using it? Only they can use it?!

Yes

[eismakedon]

Actually, my friend, you are wrong in this. The Greeks reacted on the name issue but did not create it. Macedonia is a geographic entity that the Slavomacedonians decided to make it an ethnic term. This is the problem. I have no issue calling you SlavoMacedonians (Slovenomakedonski) but simply macedonians, no way. i am a Macedonian as much as someone from Bitola or Stromnitsa, and for sure more of a Macedonian than someone from Tetovo or Skopje, lands outside historic Macedonia.

[Eismakedon]

Human rights wrote:

Pseudo-scientific lies.
Quote from the article:
"Macedonia, the geographic area, is first and foremost inhabited by Greeks, secondly by Slavs, thirdly by Albanians, fourthly by Bilingual Vlachs, then by Roma-Gypsies, Jews, Turks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc. Not one of these nationalities should have the right to usurp the general geographic determinant name for themselves."
Yet the Greeks want to usurp the name for themselves and prohibit anyone else from using it? Only they can use it?!

You probably know this, but historically, Pelagonia where Monastir/Bitola/Ancient Heracleia and Prilep Krushevo lie is Macedonia. Gevgelija)/Idomene and Stromnitsa/Astraion are also Macedonia. The vast majority of ancient Macedonia coincides with the province of Macedonia in Greece. Calling the land of ancient Macedonopaeonodardania just: "Macedonia", is obviously a misnomer.

[Vlahos kai mena mati]

"ancient Greek Macedonians"
Are you on drugs????

[lilalo]

Vlahos kai mena mati wrote:

"ancient Greek Macedonians"
Are you on drugs????

Gi'me some more ,Dude!

[Miltos apo Serres]

Some desperate soul is feverishly adding spam, lemon and disagreement symbols on the arguments set forth in this article as if to demean the contents what is being argued.
Friend, if you have anything to say, say it. Throwing mud on crystal does not destroy the crystal...you throw water on it and the mud is washed off.
All you do is betraying your desperation when faced with logic and history, seeing another fraudulent support of your shaken fake identity taking another blow.
If you have anything intelligent to say, all you have to do is prove to us that ZAIKA and all the names that your Skopjan Propagandist, the so called "historian" Donski are indeed Slovenoakedonski and not Greek, Thracian, Illyrian or Paeonian.
until then, you can continue tasting the fake spam hamburgers and make lemonade out of the fake lemons, or chose to grab the "helpful" lifeguard vest we throw at you and start looking at your history in the light of science and truth.

[Miltos apo Serres]

Vlahos kai mena mati wrote:

"ancient Greek Macedonians"
Are you on drugs????

You would be more convincing if you had spelled the "Vlahos kai mena mati" correctly.

Now, on your comment: you have an issue it seems with The Hellenism of the Ancient Macedonians. I understand that many people do not accept science and build alternate theories on anything from Pyramid building by extraterrestrials to Slavic Ancient Macedonians. That being said, you have a choice. read history, look at the linguistic evidence or resort to your favorite activity, of drug induced delirium that will include dreams about Ancient Macedonian Slavs.

[Damianos]

Miltos apo Serres wrote:

Some desperate soul is feverishly adding spam, lemon and disagreement symbols on the arguments set forth in this article as if to demean the contents what is being argued.
Friend, if you have anything to say, say it. Throwing mud on crystal does not destroy the crystal...you throw water on it and the mud is washed off.
All you do is betraying your desperation when faced with logic and history, seeing another fraudulent support of your shaken fake identity taking another blow.
If you have anything intelligent to say, all you have to do is prove to us that ZAIKA and all the names that your Skopjan Propagandist, the so called "historian" Donski are indeed Slovenoakedonski and not Greek, Thracian, Illyrian or Paeonian.
until then, you can continue tasting the fake spam hamburgers and make lemonade out of the fake lemons, or chose to grab the "helpful" lifeguard vest we throw at you and start looking at your history in the light of science and truth.

Pay no mind to the monkeys. All they can do is spam with inane garbage and interfere with posts to try and draw attention away from the undeniable fact.

Macedonia WAS, Macedonia IS, and Macedonia will FOREVER BE ONLY GREEK!

[Miltos apo Serres]

Damianos wrote:

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Pay no mind to the monkeys. All they can do is spam with inane garbage and interfere with posts to try and draw attention away from the undeniable fact.
Macedonia WAS, Macedonia IS, and Macedonia will FOREVER BE ONLY GREEK!

I know Damiane, but still, without calling them names, it is always a pleasure to engage in discussion, where all the arguments are on the table and the truth can be exposed to the light and tested, and it is a disgrace when instead of hiding in shame, the BIG LIE perpetrators are palying hide and seek.

[Damianos]

Miltos apo Serres wrote:

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I know Damiane, but still, without calling them names, it is always a pleasure to engage in discussion, where all the arguments are on the table and the truth can be exposed to the light and tested, and it is a disgrace when instead of hiding in shame, the BIG LIE perpetrators are palying hide and seek.

I also MUCH PREFER to engage in civilized discussions without calling anyone 'names', however, I have been here A LONG TIME and apart from VERY FEW Skopian and Turkish posters, MOST are deserving of only contempt and derisionm because of the stuff they post!

This, I can confirm from bitter experience!

[Aristofanis]

Human rights wrote:

Pseudo-scientific lies.
Quote from the article:
"Macedonia, the geographic area, is first and foremost inhabited by Greeks, secondly by Slavs, thirdly by Albanians, fourthly by Bilingual Vlachs, then by Roma-Gypsies, Jews, Turks, Serbs, Bulgarians, etc. Not one of these nationalities should have the right to usurp the general geographic determinant name for themselves."
Yet the Greeks want to usurp the name for themselves and prohibit anyone else from using it? Only they can use it?!

http://www.themacedoniandebate.com/index.php...

[GEOROX]

Miltos apo Serres wrote:

<quoted text>
I know Damiane, but still, without calling them names, it is always a pleasure to engage in discussion, where all the arguments are on the table and the truth can be exposed to the light and tested, and it is a disgrace when instead of hiding in shame, the BIG LIE perpetrators are palying hide and seek.

Yia sou file! Looks like we're neighbors!

I hope you don't mind, but I used your response from post #15 of this thread in another thread. Hope you don't mind! It was very well articulated and spot on!

The reason why they judge our posts unfavorably and ad nauseum is because they are self-conscious and self-loathing, in the middle of an identity crisis, and deep down inside it eats them up.